Virtue and Moir 25: Road to home

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. iNap

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    PJ kwong started insult first. She start to throw foods under the belts. She do this like charity for skate canadia. icenetworks pay dancer to do this job because Lois Elfmen not doing this job for free :rofl:
  2. pani

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    :D So like in kindergarden we will play, who was the first. Icenetwork become rude to V-M from the last season TEB
  3. iNap

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    Pj Kwong have more food ready to throw for next rounds :D this is fun competition on side for all new and old fans. maybe cinquanta will ask ioc to add to olympics for 2018 :lol:
  4. professordeb

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    I'm not sure how to take this post. Are you being serious, or just trying to poke fun? If the former, then I'm :rolleyes: and if the latter then I'm sorry for not getting the humour.
  5. The Accordion

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    I love you guys and I love that I can come here when the PBP threads' negativity becomes too much to handle. It is wonderful to come here to cleanse after watching Youtubes of VM and seeing some of the nasty comments there by accident. But holy cow - the cheese thing is way out of hand! :lol:

    I don't think PJ is insinuating either program is cheesy.

    I don't think there are any other layers - RE smelly etc..

    After following her for a very long time I don't for a moment think she meant to be rude or dismissive about DW.

    At the same time - I don't think she is afraid to express her opinion honestly and I personally see nothing wrong with what she said.

    She is entitled to think that DW - though still entertaining and skilled and lovely - have a program which is simpler and less refined than V and M. IMO this is all that she was suggesting when using the cheese comparison.

    I do see how some people could interpret it as much more of an insult if they loathe processed cheese. But I honestly think she was being sincere when she said that SHE found them both to be yummy. I find no reason to believe she is lying about that.

    Anyhow -on another note I am counting the days until Worlds so it is SUCH relief to read that Tessa is okay and still working towards those championships. If the results don't go the way we would like - it will be easy to keep in mind my gratitude for being able to see the programs live - when it is such a real fear that Tessa might not be able to skate at all.
  6. ofdarkness

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    It probably gets easier when you know the person, and when you're all knowledgeable in your field. For example, I'm in an orchestra, and our conductor speaks to us often with incomplete sentences, sounds and gestures. She always jokes that an outsider would think we're crazy that we learn this way. I would assume it's the same for VM and Marina. They all speak the same language of ice dance.
  7. Macassar88

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    He was on so you think you can dance, right? Maybe he thinks he can dance more than he actually can. ;)
  8. pani

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    Was he a judge? Or a winner?
    Now i dont care - everyone cold have the own opinion, but just interesting to know, who he is. Did he working in theatre, ballet school, dance show?
    I know, we love people, who have the same opinion with us and i belive many people agreed with him and feel happy with what he said, but its interesting to know what a professional level on any expert.
    And i know, professionals dancers dislike what skates doing on ice. Like we found at ice-dance.com article - they have there own opinion about body moves, knees work ect.
  9. iNap

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    http://www.henrybyalikov.com/about_Henry_Byalikov.html
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    interesting post, vmfan82! I am continually amazed by those of you who are bilinguists/polylinguists. Your post made perfect sense to me. I noticed the same thing with the way in which Tessa interacts with interviewers, fans, flower girls, officials, etc. She smiles so warmly at them and looks them in the eye. She goes out of her way to do this with the flower girls, which I find so sweet.
    And ITA about her courage and determination. I also agree with those who have commented on how supportive and wonderful Scott is as a partner.

    As for the whole 'slutty' thing--I wish we could abolish this word. Why are the sexual habits of others so important to some people?

    and thanks for the link and the comic relief, iNap:)
  12. pani

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    :eek: Tell me, both teams fans, did V-M didnt have connection and bad legs lines at Nationals?
    As for choreo - maybe this all because they re-moved so many things from this FD because of D-W. Why they pay so much attention to D-W? They are not childrena anymore and need to focus on there job, not on what D-W are doing.
  13. iNap

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    O really, I did not know D-W was coaching this teams? :D
  14. pani

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    OK, because they want to be first more, then to show what they could to do with this FD.
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  16. pani

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    Hope its real Oksana Grishuck, because she said she love "Carmen" :lol:
  17. aka_gerbil

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    Really, someone watched the performance of V/M's FD at Canadian Nationals and thought that they lacked connection and had bad leg lines?

    The politiking intent of this piece is just blatantly obvious. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but think about it. When discussing V/M, the first thing that comes to most peoples' minds is their connection. Their connection is considred to be on par with the likes of T/D, K/P, and U/Z, i.e. one of the best connections we've ever seen in this discipline. One of the next things that people typically praise after V/M's connection is their lines. Almost always when someone goes to praise V/M, their connection and lines are two of the things that are cited off the top (among the many, many things they excel in).

    Conversely, connection and lines are two things that D/W have been oft-criticized for. There's been a huge push this season to insist that D/W now have a connection like that of V/M's... which most of us can see that they don't. That ridiculous display at Skate America, anyone? So, now, we have an article that comes out on Icenetwork, ostensabily a mouth piece of the USFS which owns Icenetwork, in which two things V/M are regarded as exceling in and being all-time greats in, that are also known D/W weaknesses,are specfically listed as things they [V/M] need to work on? I don't know about the rest of you, but I smell a rat.
  18. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    lol, well, she fooled the real Elena Ilinkyh and Anastasia Martusheva... pretty sure those are their actual accounts (they've been linked on FSU before).

    on the positive side, some of those pics are beautiful. http://web.stagram.com/p/392635482129456180_308135662 What is this from?

    o/t but Oksana Grishuk is so gorgeous!!!
  19. pani

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    It was photo-shoot i think in 2010 or 2011.
    Yes, hope its real Oksana like Carmen
  20. Shayii

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    That's not Tessa! That actually pisses me off cuz everybody now thinks that's her even other skaters. Also on FB there's a fake Tessa that has almost 9,000 followers.

    Which one is Oksana G and what does she say about Carmen?
  21. pani

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    She is one in history two time OGM in ice dance with Evgenii Platon (in 1994 and 1998)/ She said
    But who know- is trhis real Oksana? :lol:
  22. Shayii

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    LOL I just saw Elena's post: You are amazing Tess:) I miss you so much!!!"
    I feel like telling everybody that's a fake Tessa.
  23. pani

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    Take it easy :) They all know each other, so will find is this is truth.
  24. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I know, I felt bad for Elena there. :rofl:
  25. Shayii

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    I was just kidding, I think. Lol but we all know it ain't Tess. It's actually pretty funny.
  26. elle123

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    Wow. This thread really blew up since the last time I was here. That IN article is just laughable - I think we can all agree on that. I'm choosing not to read the article in its entirety, just going by what has been discussed on this forum thus far and skimming the article. Does anyone know if Lois Elfman has any actual figure skating/ice dance qualifications or is she purely a journalist? Not that it really matters, I'm just curious.

    On a positive note, just watched the promo videos for Ice Sweat Tears and Marina is adorable ... along with Scott and Tessa, of course ;) I can't wait to watch the whole program.
  27. professordeb

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    I suppose we could put it down to imitation being the higest form of flattery but still -- creepy what people will do.
  28. chantilly

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    Sorry what exactly did PJ say. I missed it.
  29. Golightly

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    PJ used a cheese analogy. She said that V-M were this incredibly expensive, exclusive, kind of cheese and D-W were, well, sliced cheese. I found it amusing because I use similar analogies. Just not with cheese, mind you, as I do not particularly like it. But I often say, for instance, that V-M are a lot like Federer: Graceful, effortless in movement, regal, artistic, cerebral, versatile whereas D-W are more like Rafael Nadal: aggressive, very athletic and fast, lethal with one stroke, but very one-dimensional. He wins points almost the same way all the time, but who cares? He always wins them and that is what counts.

    I could also say that V-M are Fiona Apple and D-W are Adele, and while I feel it's an apt comparison, I happen to like both, which is certainly not the case with V-M and D-W. No offense to D-W, it's just a matter of taste and they do nothing for me.
  30. fscric

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    Not even most of the Federer fanatics would make this kind of comments about Nadal any more.
  31. Golightly

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    This is not a tennis topic, but Nadal is a one-dimensional player. He has three combos that end with him opening the court wide and sending a winner cross-court with his forehand. This is not an insult, there's nothing wrong with having a weapon and using it to win, in fact, I prefer it. Federer has more weapons and often makes the wrong choice.
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    Yeah, I prefer Nadal to Federer every day of the week and twice on Sundays, so I cringe whenever you bring up that analogy.
  33. Golightly

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    I just mean it style-wise. Federer is very balletic and he has gorgeous footwork, not to mention that he is, perhaps, the most technical player we've seen. Yet, look at the H2H, look who always comes out the winner. So, again, I'm not comparing their results, but their styles and demeanor.
  34. rainbowkisses

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    lets hope v/m become the next g/p and win back to back gold medals :)
  35. chantilly

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    I think that comment by PJ was a little unfair and not very classy to be honest. I do agree that D and W seem to be forcing this great romantic cheesy story but they are still great skaters and are dancing the hell out of the program. I still find them frantic and find their transitions are sorely lacking. And the choreography as a whole I don't like so much. I do think Carmen is far more sophisticated, cohesive and risky. But D and W are doing great elements. their spin is fantastic and a few of their lifts. I just don't think this program is near as good as last years and I don't thin they should have gone this angle and I don't buy it from them/I hope nest year they go with something more voidy or modern and athletic. I really hope V and M get it together in time for Worlds. Their SD is great and I love their FD despite not loving the changes. They really didn't deserve to win at 4CC. The program lost all spark and momentum after the stop. I want them to win and considering that they were only three points behind with a major stoppage is good news. But I really think whatever happens they will still be considered contenders in Sochi due to this masterpiece of a FD.
  36. jl22aries

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    Re: vmfan82's post:

    It was absolutely apparent during the fan meet and greet last summer, brief as my interaction was, that Tessa really focusses on the moment. She was at once polished, polite and professional, but also incredibly genuine, warm, and present. I would have been happy enough just to have had the chance to stand opposite them, and to have the opportunity to give them that card filled with the messages we all so wanted them to hear, and it wouldn't have mattered had they treated the meet n' greet as a media obligation and coasted through the interactions. But I left with a memory and then some because I was blown away by the intensity of their focus, how they really considered each and every person, and the depth of their active engagement. I was actually taken aback, it would explain the extent of my contact high, by just how private and intimate the interaction felt for me; when Tessa spoke with me, she was speaking with me, not a single distraction or lapse in eye contact. No matter that she didn't know me from b. That's just classy.
  37. pani

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    Its unfair to talk PJ said this about D-W, she said this about CHOREO of D-W FD ;) And to be honest, a lot off poeple didnt like Zoueva aand Shpilband choreo at all and all season they started with how bad it is :lol:
    Not talking about i am not sure this is the place for D-W advertisement. But, like alwayse, after this words i am ready to read 10 pages about how bad i am :lol:
  38. kosjenka

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    Both of your comparisons are more sophisticated&professional than those used by PJ.
    There is no classy way to call somebody cheep and that is exactly what she did to D&W.
  39. pani

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    One more time - she didnt call D-W cheep, but choreograhfy of D-W FD ;)

    Why nobody notice she said D-W is best ice dance team ever? Because D-W ubers love this even this is couldnt be the truth?
    But you are happy she cold them better, then T-D :lol:
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    Precisely. People keep missing this point, that comment was about the choreography of Carmen vs Notre Dame. She even went on to say if it was Carmen vs DF she wouldn't be calling it sliced cheese. And if everyone were honest the Notre Dame program was not well received when it first came out. It was obvious even fans were worried. But it was showered with high marks from it´s debut and got a choreography score of 9.54. Added some bells to highlight moves that were lacking pizzaz and put out a few articles about how they've finally mastered their lack of on ice connection and it was showered with 10s at NHK and people were calling it a masterpiece. PJ on the other hand still saw sliced cheese ;)