Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Feb 11, 2013.
A new little house for VM lovers
Thank you for new thread, marty
Golden Skate article, with some quotes from VM:
Our brave girl. I dont know any other so brave person in this sport. She never give up!
Wishing Tessa a speedy recovery. Nothing like a true fair fight for the top spot, which can't happen when one team is at a disadvantage.
Looks like reporters have caught on to Tessa and Scott's own mentions of sharing a single "mind" or "head" haha.
Thanks for the new thread, martyross, and thanks for the title, clarie
what a warm, lovely post, CatherineC. made me smile. I am so glad you joined this thread
That made perfect sense to me, Shayii. You so beautifully articulated what I felt when watching this performance. Thank you.
And clarie, I agree, what a comeback. This makes me confident that they can go into worlds and really enjoy it. That is what I wish for them more than anything.
and thank you to Fort, marikat, julianne, and everyone else who provided links.
Hehe - I don't want to be hateful, but I can't help but notice that we're 10 threads ahead of the Davis and White ubers.
Maybe we should leave all that behind in the old thread and keep the road home all about V&M.
And in the spirit of Diddy maybe the next thread, if the timing is right, should be titled "Back where I belong, yeah I never felt so strong"
First LL, now Diddy---I love this thread so much!
I finally had the chance to watch their FD without having my mind blown by the stop, and I think it was a really superb performance. They're skating closer together than before, their lines match better, the speed is improved, the characterization is better.... it's just too bad they had that injury. Now if they focus on those step sequences and take care of their health, they can have a great performance at Worlds.
Exactly! It was going so well until the spin ended. Maybe that's where she started cramping?
just a thought--and not sure if it has been brought up before--but would it be a possibility that the judges have not been scoring Carmen as high as we thought they should to send a message to teams not to do that kind of FD for the olympics? FDs with overtly sexual tones/tension? that the OIC would like the figureskating programs would be as GP as possible? not saying that Carmen is porno as some of the haters would describe it, but in an olympic year when you have more people than usual watching the games, people that are largely uninitiated to FS including impressionable kids, that kind of program might be a little too overwhelming to explain to the public with.
I wouldn't put it past them, but I naively hope that we're at an age where people can feel free to put out the programs that they want. I think there's more talk about Carmen being sexual than it actually being sexual.
I sometimes feel as though we're significantly regressing in 2013!
there are too many of us
I just watched the medal ceremony and it was so sad, Tessa looked like she was barely keeping it together. And they couldn't wait to get off the ice. I was going to say I hoped they never did 4CC again, then I realized this was probably their last one anyways. Sigh…((((Tessa))))
It also keeps occuring to me how many new fans have began following icedance beginning with the Vancouver Olympic season.
Carmen is not the first program that show a little sexiness and sensuality. If some of those people think that Carmen is "porn" then it's a good thing they haven't seen some of the past programs.
Even a program like B&S's "First Kiss" SP for the 01/02 season began with them very close to one another, lips practically touching. And don't let those people see the lifts with the male partners arm between his partners legs as he supports her with hand resting on her stomach in a rotational lift. The ultimate would be A&P's "Man in the Iron Mask" FD. Gwendal actually lifts Marina by the crotch, not just her upper thigh.
Scandalous I tell you!
I'm very happy to read that V&M aren't down and out and have quickly regrouped and plan on taking care of Tessa in preparation for Worlds. I'm also happy to read how well they skated for their exhibtion performance.
ziliam, I've been thinking as well about the judges not wanting another FD like Carmen. However, I wasn't thinking that it was because it was too sexy but rather this quad the judges don't seem to appreciate (well not fully) the type of program Carmen is. The perfect mix of artistry/creativity with crazy difficult elements and connecting moves.
I am very glad that V&M has given us Carmen (it will be one of the all time great icedance programs) but I do see team V&M presenting a different type of program next season. I think the idea to use Romeo and Juliet is a good one. Following with the type of music D&W choose that the crowds and judges more importantly have responded to, Romeo and Juliet would be perfect. Or perhaps something similar in feel without being another couple in love piece. V&M keep getting slammed for always doing the being in love thing (which is not true) and they have wanted to show they can skate to many different rhythms so I wonder if they might go that route.
It's really too bad that in icedance, reusing programs (even re-worked versions) is a no no. Hip-Hip, Chin Chin would be a great program to get the crowds going with the expression and technicall difficulty. Even though it was skated just once all the way through it was getting positive comment.
Perhaps Tessa and Scott should return to something more dancey? Not a folk dance though. Or maybe a Blues or Jazz piece? I don't know, it seems the music has to be just right to begin with even before the choreography is created. Not many seem to appreciate sophisticated and/or subtle. Sorry about the brainstorming. LOL
I wouldn’t go this far… for the simple reason that, if you notice, kids are not the naif angelic creatures that adults want to picture to themselves ( from my blurry childhood memories and experience with kids, I can say that sex is already a subject matter of their conversations, obviously when adult ears are not around ( there is a lot of naughtiness in the tone of these – often funny – conversations. This shouldn’t shock because even at such tender age they grasp instinctively what "the mistery of their birth" is all about (and let’s not forget the notorious Aedipus complex toward the mother). after all, the complete awakening of sexual impulses happen quite soon in life. So it’s not that they talk about it because they’re exposed to the "evil television" or movies. Certain scenes seen on the screen are not that traumatic, they mostly make them (mischievously) laugh. The same goes with death, or even violence. It’s something they can understand because, being very sensitive to the surrounding world, they are much more aware of the miseries of life than adults think. Disney created only happy-ending cartoon movies, but it’s wrong, because kids are well aware of things like failure or death. Kids, if I may say, should be much, much more protected from real life miseries, which come from their parents’ unsensitive behaviour, and/or discrimination in schools, etc etc. Yes, we tend to accuse movies or TV of showing inappropriate things, without seeing that the real tragedies happen in everyday life, and those are the real sources of traumas .
Back on topic. Generally speaking, I think most judges are more focused on scoring the technical elements (including transitions, whether they are "creative" or not) rather than expressing their personal tastes through marks. Judges are different at every competition, so I doubt they all think the same about a certain program. Sometimes, the reason why skaters are under-marked is much less romantic than that (
I am mourning the loss of the facebook group at a time like this... I did not look often, but during a big event those girls had a crazy knack for finding obscure pictures and references. Anyone find anything good on "tumblr" or "instagram" or all those other sites I am too old to understand!
Disny is very bad for childrens All this happy storiss make weak men and woman. Child should learn all lesson of life with skating or watch reality program because it is realty
Scott and Zijun Li
I am really liking this title -- moreso than the other that was bandied about because I too felt the other had some negative connotations. Road to home soooooooooo fits, I think, because that is precisely where they are headed in their next comp -- HOME!
Sorry, but this link doesnt work for me
Look like he played in darts
Hope Tessa were at banquete too.
Both Pani and martyross links doesn't work for me!
Thank you both for good words! I'm too very glad to join this thread, because in my country I feel kinda lonely - there aren't many ice dance and especially T/S fans.
Hope to keep posting and loving Tessa & Scott even more!
sorry guys - here's the post with photos of the banquet, from Yuna Forum.
Thank you a lot!
I understand you. Not a lot off FS fans in my country. Happy to have friends from Russia, who love FS.
You could see her back on Scott-Zijun Li photo near to Balde
Thanks! Scott's hair looks kinda interesting...
That's Maia Shibutani.
O, yes. Sorry.
Exibition practice photos from GPF. All skaters look so happy
I had my 7 yr. old daughter (who is a competitive skater) with me at Canadian Nationals last month. This child is very perceptive for her age, and she talks! I fielded endless questions at the end of programs about why skaters were moving "snakey" and what "Hoochie Coochie" means (Kaetlyn Osmond's program) and whether costumes covered up things that should be covered up etc. etc. etc.
V & M's Carmen is introduced - (Tessa's dress was approved of, but DD wasn't sure about the tights...) and I am wondering with slight trepidation what the questions/ comments will be. I didn't need to worry - the skating mesmerized her and rendered her totally silent for the duration. She was fascinated by it, and talking to her afterwards she understood that Tessa encouraged Scott, and they were in love (holding each other tightly, body to body) and then Tessa changed her mind and decided to be mean to Scott and push him away and that wasn't nice.
What my 7 yr. old didn't remark on was things like whose hands were where, and whether they were on clothing or under clothing. She registered the story, but the details that we notice as adults and comment on just didn't register. She doesn't understand what they represent and therefore she didn't notice them I think. I presume that it is similar to when she doesn't register innuendo in conversation....
For me, this makes a piece like V & M's Carmen art (conveying an idea that works on many levels, including sexual for those who understand what they are seeing). In contrast, many other programs which, as adults we watch without batting an eye-lid, are more problematic for kids to watch as the sexual-lite stuff is tacked on to the technical content for effect, rather than being an integral part of the piece. It doesn't make sense to young observers, because it isn't integral to a story/ idea, so they notice it and comment.
you should tell your daughter that it was actually scott's character being meant to tessa's character
tessa is the fiercest carmen even when she's skating in pain
Thank you for telling us about your personal experience Good for your daughter to see "live" such amazing skaters, like Tessa-Scott and Patrick.
When I was younger I had a Soft Cell album I loved. I remember driving out of town with my aunt and uncle. We were going to a cabin and I'd be the big cousin taking care of my younger cousins so I got to pick the music on the drive and stuck in the tape I made of Soft Cell. I remember at one point in the song the two of them look at each other and cringe. I just assume they were two old to appreciate good music It was years later that a light bulb went off and I realized the sound that made them cringe was quite explicit. I knew the music was edgy, seedy, but I didnt have the experience to recognize that what I was hearing was a guy ejaculating. The cringe between them was obviously their discomfort that we were hearing what they were hearing. But we didn't. It's the same with Carmen. Any art really. There are layers to everything and we discover those layers when we are able to understand them.
I´m really tempted to do Nationals next year. Skate Canada timing works better with my schedule but I think Nationals is when V&M, Chan and the others will be near their peak.
Yes, thats very mportant. Its a big difference between to see skates at first GP event and WCh.
I feel so lucky i saw V-M two time this season. lot off favorite skaters i didnt saw even 1 time "live".
But in Nice they were flying above the ice. Its was amazing.
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