Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Nov 9, 2012.
Thank you! Now i didnt have a plan to go to GPF. But could change my mind
If you can, do it.
Piseev used to be head of the Soviet Federation, and then he continued to be the head of the Russian Federation until I think recently, when Gorshkov took over. Piseev has been around forever, and he's a pretty big deal.
I just don't want Scott to lose ANYTHING to Luca
Some banquet pictures: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.492117977489690.114330.302444503123706&type=1. Can we just take a moment to admire Tessa's outfit: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/536824_493151487386339_1632120381_n.jpg
I'm glad you enjoyed yourself Pani, you should go to the GP final now ..........and enjoy yourself again .
Tessa has a great back and shoulders to carry off a dress like that........she looks amazing in the banquet pics.
Does anyone have a link of the medal ceremony?
Cup of Russia 11 11 2012 Dance medal ceremony
I really like the SD, A LOT. I've actually gotten the impression it's been positively received. Perhaps not as much madlove as for Carmen. Stay out of the pbp people! I don't think it's a very representational slice of the global figure skating fan base. Aaand it's where the most biting snark goes to die.
The polka tune has the same period sound and timbre of the Anthony Hopkins piece, so I actually think it sounds in place nestled in the waltz. They do speak about further developing their movement to accentuate the narrative they are trying to convey, but already I feel like their physical and facial expressions are telling me a story.
I did not get the same impressions from the Marina article that Pani did. In the translated version, it's the interviewer, not Marina, that suggests that some people felt the 1-2 placement ought to have been inverted, and I thought Marina gave a very diplomatic and elegant answer saying that they just don't focus on what they can't control (my words) and that things change from event to event (so here she mentions how the results were indeed inverted for WTT just mere weeks later). I wish to express for the record, that I do not buy into the in-fighting conspiracy theories. These are experienced professionals and consenting adults. Sure there must be challenges and politics, but in-group sabotage? No no no.
Okay, CBC podcast very rough transcript coming up...
Roughly, the CBC podcast:
Kurt: first time a Canadian team has won at COR, and here it happened twice. The world of dance opens up my mind to what the possibilities can be for a performance, despite the many rules in competition programs. VM went above the rules and reached a place that is reserved only for the stage...the theatre or ballet. It's no longer a clean white sheet with advertising on the boards and white lights. They stepped on the stage and went kmph(inaudible sound). Loved the sexual tension.
Tracy: what tension?! Har har.
PJ: On twitter there was a woman who really does not like the program, on different levels, I think that tension is part of it. Another twitterer thought it was wow and amazing, modern movement, very original. There was a movie 20 years ago, a flamenco production, and the Carmen was very dark in that piece. Tessa reminds me of that very dark, not romanticized Carmen. Beyond vixen. I'm mesmerized by the transformation. She's lovely in person.
Kurt: how many times do we see skaters that have the SS and confidence to go beyond the concentration level it takes just to do them, to allow them to achieve something higher. It doesn't happen very often and I think with this team it does. Skating fans are not used to seeing that rawness. We are used to seeing young skaters who are not at that maturity level
Tracy: that don't have the the dance training, the background, the range
Kurt: we're used to seeing more of a sport, and when somebody can go past that and make you a little uncomfortable, or make you feel, then our sport has blossomed into something more
Tracy: they have single handedly changed what I thought was possible in Ice Dance in terms of their technical ability and then the risks they take artistically which make their technical requirements all the more risky, really boggles the mind. It's wonderful for the sport A) the way they're pushing the limits technically and artistically, and just reinventing themselves. The versatility they're showing is just wonderful for all the dancers coming up
Kurt: Gone are the days where people thought the dangerous lifts were just in pairs.
Favourite moment of the competition for...
Tracy: My moment was VM. A little bit personal too. I got into dance because of my love of Russian dancers, what I loved was the drama and passion. I was inspired by them. And then to watch VM come with all their athleticism AND drama, like the great Russians that inspired me, and the blend of both!... and the minute they started the reaction from the audience in Moscow...they just came alive. The four minutes of their routine and the standing ovation, to see Tarasova front and centre standing for VM...it was a thing of beauty.
PJ: that was my favourite moment of the comp. She's the grand dame of ice dance, and the fact that she gave their FD the nod, it really legitimizes the performance art aspect of the dance for me.
Kurt, by the way, is TRICKY to transcribe!
elle123 - Trash Can PSOTY SEMIFINAL POLL 2
Actually, I think the pbp threads will be significantly friendlier this season. For the SD, opinions differ, but there are almost no negative comments about the FD in the CoR thread, which is a record! All the usual snarky suspects (who, let's be fair, have always appreciated T&S's talent and skating, just not their programs) love Carmen.
Thanks for the pics, Shay!
Thanks so so much. I dont know why the heck it didnt work for me as it has worked other times.
Thank you for this video, this video just illustrates how far and wide Virtue/Moir's appeal goes. How many skaters truly have a world wide appeal that can garner this kind of devotion, there just isn't many that can do this. But credit Virtue/Moir as well in going out to their fans and meeting up with them in get togethers like this. A fan can be devoted to a skater, but if skaters don't respond to that devotion it can quickly become a one way street, I'm glad to see Virtue/Moir making attempts to reach out to their fans and greeting them in meetings like this.
Some things that I picked up on this video.
1)Virtue/Moir have a mass appeal that transends the normal fan bases that usually exists. This fans go out and make banners and get gifts made for their stars. They had two collages made for Virtue/Moir, one for each. Plus we got to see the two banners we saw on the feeds and Virtue/Moir signed them for their fans.
2)Russia loves Virtue/Moir. I knew they had some fans, but since this was their first visit to Russia, we got to see how many they had. When they skated, there were a ton of Russian fans cheering for Virtue/Moir, with Russian dance couples in the event, it was a huge surprise to me that Virtue/Moir were this loved by the fans. Kudos to the Russians for the support they showered on them.
3)14:45 This is a fairly big bombshell they dropped. They had the Carmen program already built by June, but by August they dismantled it. They didn't give a definete reason why they would do this, but since Cappelinni/Lanotte had a carmen program coming out, they might of wanted to go into a different direction with it, and in this case this was when Jennifer Swan was brought in to help choreograph the new program. Scott also said this is their favorite Free Dance program they have made. (I guess all skaters would say that for their new program)
4)35:00 They asked Virtue/Moir who had the most influence in the Carmen Free Dance, Marina Zueva and Oleg Epstein handled the technical side of the Free Dance program and meshing the elements together, but Jennifer Swan handled the choreography part of it with her coming up with movements, lifts and story elements.
5)16:12 They asked Virtue/Moir about costumes and Tessa replied they didn't want to do a typical red so they went with black with lace and Tessa said, if her coaches had their way, they would want Virtue/Moir to skate in bodysuit and tights to show off their lines.
This video was very informative, helpful and it showed how much support there is for Tessa and Scott. When your not using their last names to differenciate them with other skaters but using their first names as a couple, that really is telling for people on these forums that they hold a special place in skating.
Again thank you to the fans out there who make the effort to get videos like this out for all of us fans in the world, we can't say thanks enough to all of you that do this for everyone.
Great Skate Debate (lol)
No that one is over already - the main one is in GSD
Body suits and tights - I'm all for it. They have had some fabulous costumes but I love the look of "Pink Floyd" from the WC. Just so sharp and your view is never obstructed by layers or fabric.. I doubt that will change for "Carmen" though but I like the Carmen outfits and am so glad she is not in red. I also like the outfit on Scott in the short dance. He looks great in the pictures from COR.
Scott is the best in Carmen costume
There outfits for both the SD and the FD are amazing.
Tracer- the 2011 World's were in Moscow so this isn't the first time they have competed in Russia.
Yes. This was amazing how people support them at WCh 2011/
Did you saw this
The last 36 seconds when he practices alone and then she casually waves for him to stick his head in her arm is hilarious Were you in the fan meeting vid pani?
Marina says she invited Jennifer Swan: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...w-with-Zueva&p=3741662&viewfull=1#post3741662
That is a consolation indeed! I've been trying to stay out of them, and might still. My relationship with FSU went to a super dark place last season because I was going into those threads and finding my feelings surprisingly deeply hurt, to the point where it was threatening my enjoyment of the sport. No good!
Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk 2
I felt this way as well. I didn't comment much or even come to FSU all that much either.
I post anywhere. I think I developed thick skin when I first came on the board to defend Bourne and Kraatz from a bunch of haters.
The CoR SD press-conf is on youtube, thanks to Miljota.
hey guys, have you seen Ashely Wagner's short from Bompard? i immediately thought of Carmen while watching it because of its darkness and intensity. i can't say exactly what they have in common though, maybe it's the fact that it reaches you in some deep place inside. i don't know the story of "The red violin", it must be something about an extreme or even ill passion for something or someone, like in Carmen. these two programs are the best this year.
The Red Violin is a brilliant movie. Loved it.
Ditto .. dark yet funny in spots. And the music is absolutely beautiful.
The music is My favourite Kwan program has always been Red Violin. I recently rewatched that program and realized she doesn't actually do much in it but my god the music just gets inside you.
from my blog, compulsory dances...
i've compiled all the links i came across for cup of russia.
quotes from imaginarypogue and tessa
2012-2013 season so far
i created a new header, which makes me smile
pani, thanks for your Rostelecom reports. It must have been amazing to be able to see V&M live. I'm glad you had a great time.
Tessa looked stunning at the banquet; even the shoes work and I am usually so not a fan of the platform look.
That SD must be something if it's even better live because I'm mesmerized by it and I've only seen the two GP performances on youtube. The SD sets such a mood but unlike some of the I/Z programs from the past, it isn't only dependant on setting a mood and pulling in the audience because of Tessa and Scott's deep natural connection with one another. This SD does have so many different highlights and moves in it. You almost have to watch it repeatedly just to take everything in. Technically and artistically it's wonderful. I love it.
jl22aries, thanks for transcribing the interview with Kurt and Tracy.
The above exchange in particular caught my attention because I've been thinking the same thing. While it's good that CoP has allowed teams to move forward more quickly, it's also meant that some of the teams on or near the top haven't yet developed that maturity that we used to see in the older dancers that is needed to pull of the types of programs that in the past have become classics. V&M are one of those teams who were naturally blessed with performance and interpretive skills as well as having that ablility to connect with one another even at a young age. It usually takes dance teams awhile to develop that and some never develop that dynamic at all.
I've notice that a number of the newer dance fans became fans around the 08/09 or 09/10 era. At that point IIRC we were starting to see icedance become more like the singles programs. Excercises in technical skill but the choreography itself wasn't anything memorable. There were a couple of teams who managed to try and keep the artistic side along with the technical but it's been awhile since we've seen a program on the level of Carmen. I should add IMHO to that.
I agree. I believe it was aka_gerbil who said that it would work in any system.
I think it's the most complex ice dance program since maybe Denkova & Staviski's Handel FD from 2004.
I agree wholeheartedly with you Carmen. There are so many captivating little details in that SD. I especially love Tessa's expressions.....she is a master of that...and also the small nuances on both their parts. Great post
I love the photos of VM in this gallery from their exhibition. You get to really see the amazing contrast in their faces and bodies between the two programs. There's no doubt which program is which, despite their being in the same costume.
And hello Fierce:
Thanks! Love this photos too
The TEB Free Dance is on universal sports right now and they just showed Anna and Luca in a Tessa and Scott hug before they compete... how long until all teams are emulating this connecting-moment before they skate
I know that most of the ice dance couples have expressed admiration for Tessa and Scott's skills, but Anna and Luca seem to really, really admire them. I think it's quite sweet. Anna and Luca seem like such lovely people--I first noticed them a few years ago when Melissa Gregory took a nasty fall in a warm-up (sorry, forgot which competition it was) and they rushed to her side. Anna was the first one there.
Separate names with a comma.