Virtue and Moir #22 - To Russia with love

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    So I'm not the only one thinking the entire field at SA were overscored... When I've gone back through and looked at all of the protocols for all of the events, top to bottom, SA definitely seems to have been the most lenient/generous event so far.
     
  2. Lissa

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    For sure, cannot imagine D&W & others getting those scores when they meet V&M, if so then something is off.

    BTW any Eurosport coverage of the SD & FD yet?
     
  3. Shayii

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    I just watched the FD and I didn't think it was possible, but I enjoyed it even more than at SC. There were definitely glitches in this performance though and they were behind the music at one point, but I was still expecting them to score higher.

    Like everybody else I hope they learn to deal with their stress/nerves as the season progresses.

    Ioana and Pani I hope you are having/had a great time!
     
  4. Lissa

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    Great reaction from the Russian fans imo, they cheered them really well for Carmen!
     
  5. Lissa

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    Where are people seeing the nerves & stress cause I sure can't :confused: Also I thought they would score higher & if someone can be so kind as to tell me why I would greatly appreciate it. lol
     
  6. IoanaC

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    Lissa, believe me, they were nervous. At this morning's practice they basically froze mid-lift - under the judges' eyes - then couldn't seem to recover from the surprise and botched the whole finale. It took them several tries to get that combination lift right. That, coupled with the Russian fed pushing their own skaters like crazy (Volosozhar & Trankov's inflated score in pairs, for a disaster of a program, was horrifying), and their own self-inflicted pressure and expectations, could have been enough to screw everything up. Under these conditions, they skated well, but they know there's still a lot of work to be done.
     
  7. Shayii

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    IDK you can just tell I guess and they've been mentioning it a lot in interviews recently. Anyways I just saw that they actually scored better in the PCS here than at SC so I'm ok with the score now. Hopefully they can work out the technical glitches before the GFP...really want them to have that title.

    you guys probably know me for this by now, but can somebody translate what the Italian and Russian commentators say after their performance?

    Italian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeamHYQCRCE
    Russian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ36YcJ-VGM

    Ioana did you go to the press con?
     
  8. IoanaC

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    I did. Recorded Tessa and Scott's interventions, I'm going to check if you can actually hear something. They used microphones this time!:) Just give me half hour or so...
     
  9. Lissa

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    Thanks for these, now if we could just get some British Eurosport coverage I would be thrilled :lol:
     
  10. Shayii

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    Yes! Thank you. And Lissa I'm hoping frida will upload the British version.
     
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    Oh yes I know that YT channel, hopefully that will be soon! :)
     
  13. Shayii

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    Don't worry, seriously appreciate you doing this!!
     
  14. IoanaC

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    There was one more interesting moment during the press conf, one guy asked Elena and Nikita what they thought about the scores they had received at the Crystal Cup in Brasov, which were almost equal to what T&S got here. Basically, he asked "Did you really think you would be at the same level with Virtue and Moir?!" Of course she answered that they hadn't really payed attention to the scores, just wanted to have a competition under their belt before CoR. Sure... That's why they declared in the press releases that this year they're ready to challenge the Olympic champs.:rolleyes:
     
  15. Golightly

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    OK, I'm NOT Italian, but I can speak it more or less. Here's what I understood.

    First, they talk about how this is a very different take on Carmen than that of Anna and Luca, but they are left speechless because they feel this is another level of skating. They are impressed with how difficult and intricate the program is: the step sequences and transitions have a level of difficulty and risk they described as insane. They actually used that adjective. When the camera cuts to Tarasova giving them a standing ovation, they say that that image right there speaks more than anything anyone might add to the commentary.

    One of them says that this type of modern interpretation is not her thing, she prefers a more traditional Carmen, but that this is a different take on the original story, definitely more rooted in modern dance. They say this is evident not just in the dance itself, but in the costumes they are using. However, they feel this was a very well interpreted and well-studied dance. One of them (I really wish I knew their names) says that the final lift is incredible, then the other one says that all the lifts are unbelievable.

    The only observation they have is that it doesn't flow as freely as one might be accustomed from them. She says she spoke with Paola Mezzadri yesterday and she told her that it is such an intricate program that the transitions between elements do not flow too seamlessly yet. Mezzadri said they are still assimilating the program, but that this Carmen should be on top form by the end of the season.

    Then the commentator says that she liked it today much better than Skate Canada. The other one says that it's maybe because Anna and Luca were not there, so they did not feel the need to compare both programs. She says that, yes, maybe it is that, but also she feels that it did flow better, they were more determined and overall it was a more refined program.

    They liked that they have taken risks because teams who are this superb can and should take risks. They have dared taking the Carmen storyline and produce something different. They said that V-M have precisely stressed that in the past, that they want their own Carmen to be like no other.

    Finally, they talked about how very physically demanding the program is, specially for Scott.

    And that's it. If I missed something, probably one of you who is Italian can tell me LOL.
     
  16. pingu

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    I don't think you've missed anything :)
    By the way the woman who said she talked with Paola Mezzadri is Franca Bianconi, coach of Berton/Hotarek. The other woman is the RAI sport journalist who covers figure skating, Arianna Secondini.
     
  17. Lissa

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    Wait, the Russians got marks like V&M at that comp early in the season? lol never knew that, but was this a Russian commentator asking them this at the RC? :lol: clearly their marks were no where near T&S here..
     
  18. Golightly

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    Phew! Grazie mille ;)

    I like them both, they seem very well informed. It's also great that they can separate themselves from their more traditional tastes and appreciate this program for what it is. Their short dance commentary was spot on too.
     
  19. spikydurian

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    Congrats to V&M for their unstoppable success. Looks real good en route to Sochi.
     
  20. liv

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    It looked great to me. Of course, it's much easier to say that when there are no obvious errors like the two glitches at SC. They were a little behind in their music in one section, but it didn't bother me too much. The thing I noticed the most was the little trouble with the spin, but even that wasn't huge. I thoroughly enjoyed this performance. Seeing Tarasova standing really did say everything. I can hardly wait to see how it progresses through the season.
     
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  22. Shayii

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    i hear people say that the judges don't like the program ala sphilband's comment. i think people are still in a 6.0 mood where they think their reaction to the program actually matters. it doesn't. it doesn't matter if you like it or don't. what matters are the movements that make up the finished product. are they on the right edge? did they hold the lift long enough? that is what is judged, by levels, goe, pcs... and there is actual criteria for each number.

    anyway, i had someone check the scores on their iphone for me. i subtracted the sd scores and spent 6 hours wondering why they scored so low. ugh.
     
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  24. Shayii

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    You thought the 103 was too low? I wished they were higher too tbh. I'm like appreciate this amazing program you judges lol!!!
     
  25. aka_gerbil

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    Ignore the people who are latching on to that comment from Igor. Igor's comment was sour grapes. Given the overall reaction to that program, I think most people--including the judges--like it. The people who are quoting that comment from Igor are haters looking for anything to put V/M down with. It's going to be a very long season if all of us don't just block them out. Also, keep this in mind for a little perspective, not everyone loved T/D's Bolero either. If you want more reassurance, they got a standing ovation in Russia from Tarasova today. There's not much else to say after that, I promise.

    I think their score is fine for this point in the season. They lost 1 point for the lift that was too long, which puts them right at what they had at SC. They only had a week and a half at home, and in that time, it was the SD that needed more attention. I'm fully expecting both programs to have had a growth spurt by the time the GPF gets here in almost a month.
     
  26. iggie

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    gerbil, i didn't even know there was a deduction. when i came home and saw the minus one, i bumped the score mentally up to 104.

    it is a cool program, but if they have to get the technical part right because it is a technical exercise at its heart. they can push themselves, but in doing so, they can't sacrifce the technique. as cool as it is, they're not being marked for "cool"

    it's their second competition and they will get their feet under them soon. and they have a good chunk of time to regroup and push this program forward.
     
  27. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    And they will get there with the technical side of this. Have a little patience with them, OK.

    If you want to make yourself feel better, go back and watch Farrucus and Mahler progress during the 09/10 season from their debut through the Olympics.
     
  28. iggie

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    i remember the 2009 gp series. i remember it well. i remember last season as well. i still have faith. it will come together.
     
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  29. Lissa

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    I love it love it love it & just want to see it on British Eurosport, someone please upload it soon that has it on there....:(
     
  30. iggie

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    i just realized that tessa does this backflip, twist in mid air to start the second last lift. woah.