Virtue and Moir #22 - To Russia with love

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

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    I just saw the scores and I'm so sad cuz I was so sure they were going to win this comp finally and now I'm so sure they wouldn't. Also the judges don't seem to appreciate Carmen (they'll prob give them a 105 if they skate clean tomorrow). That also makes me sad cuz I love that program so so much...sigh.
     
  2. Golightly

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    So defeatist. God, deja vu! I said this very same thing last season too :D I think they can win. They are stubborn and they will keep working. I know they can win.
     
  3. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    Maybe later in the season, but this one is lost. 1.93 points would be nothing in singles or pairs, but here, it might as well be 20.
     
  4. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

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    Didn't mean to sound defeatist especially since I've been trying to be more optomistic in general. Anyways wishing them luck in the free tomorrow, it's such an amazing program.
     
  5. Bue

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    No doubt I'm reading too much into it but I thought Tessa looked a little lost and deflated in the KnC once the scores had come up. I feel bad for them. All I was hoping was that they'd stay close to D/W in the SD. 1.93 really isn't that close, not in this competition. I'm just going to try to enjoy their skate tomorrow and remember that they never, ever... ever win the GPF. Doesn't mean they won't win the one that's important! Hey, we're V/M fans - we're used to this!
     
  6. chantilly

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    Unfortunately, I agree. An almost 2 point difference will be hard to make up. However, I think coming from behind is better for Virtue and Moir. I suspect that they will win the free but not by enough to win the whole thing. And they have made changes. And Scott had an issue on the twizzles. So...I do think D and W have the better SD although I still like V and M but theirs needs more time. I haven't seen the protocols but them getting less for Skating skills is not right IMO. Choreo/interpretation is fine. Transitions seem to be a wash for me.
    I am kinda more shocked that B and S are ahead of C and L.

    Anyway. if they lose it will light a fire under them for Worlds. They will need to win 4CC though. If they don't with two clean programs against two clean form D and W then I will start worrying. It is sad though because there is no way I think Carmen is beatable this year skated clean.
     
  7. professordeb

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    It seems to me that the judges are rewarding speed, Speed, SPEED. It bothered me in previous years and with other "speedy" couples and it still bothers me a great deal today. I think it's one of the main reasons the D/W are ahead let alone with with feels like a huge lead. I just don't get it, and I doubt I ever will.
     
  8. IoanaC

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    Yes, they are.:)
    I'm feeling a deja-vu myself. The difference in score is much smaller this time around, but I agree with aka_gerbil that this one is lost. Can't say I wasn't expecting it, though, so I really shouldn't be so bummed about it...
    Sooo, if we follow last season's pattern, does this mean they'll end up winning Worlds? Yes, it does!:D (can't imagine anything less for Carmen, anyway).
     
  9. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    This.

    Speed, it seems, matters more than anything else these days. As long as you're fast, who cares about the rest! Speed, speed, speed! That's the important thing!

    I am so incredibly fed up with ice dance right now. I love V/M and P/B and will stick it out with them, but I feel like once they're done, I should be done with the discipline. I'll just follow pairs and singles.
     
  10. zilam98

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    same here. even though i dont like d/w as much as i do v/m, i feel d/w will also retire after sochi. there's no one to watch out for (maybe w/p but even them is a stretch) in ice dance once the current top three retire. i might just as well follow pairs.
     
  11. Emdee

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    Why are all of you so defeatist? Yes I was very sad - it will be hard to make up but Carmen can do it

    Do you remember how we felt after Mahler GPF?

    It doesnt mean that they will not win Worlds - it doesnt mean they wont win Olys.

    And EVEN if they dont - we are VM fans so hold your heads high... We have had three extra years after Vancouver just a gift to us and now another year or so. And Carmen and the Latin FD.....

    We are SO lucky.
     
  12. elle123

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    HEAR HEAR!!
     
  13. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    There are a few teams I could see myself following, but given how things are judged these days, I just probably need to stop after this quad when it comes to ice dance.
     
  14. bmcg

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    Onward and upward people, onward and upward. All this doom and gloom happened last year at GPF, V&M got caught up in it all and got distracted. Yet they are the reigning world champions, don't forget that and trust in their talent :D
     
  15. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I thought I would stop following ice dance a few years ago, but then I fell in love with V&M. :lol:
     
  16. bmcg

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    :lol: I thought the same after 2002. I love ice dance the most because it's features (or should) the qualities I find most beautiful and amazing in figure skating and I find just as one group retires there is someone else to come along ready to hook me again.
     
  17. Alixana

    Alixana Definitely NOT a sonogram

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    There are some beautiful dance couples in JGPF .. looking forward to seeing them develop too.
     
  18. bmcg

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    And if I&K ever get it together they could be amazing!!

    For now I'm going to try my best to enjoy the 1.5 years I have left with V&M and P&B.
     
  19. IoanaC

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    Ice dance is my favourite discipline as well, and has been ever since I was a teenager and had no clue about technique (hated Klimova because I thought she seemed haughty - I was 12, therefore silly.:D Now I adore K&P, of course). So I'll probably never stop watching it, but I can also understand aka_gerbil's frustration. The speed obsession doesn't apply to figure skating alone, it affects other sports - like gymnastics, or completely different areas, such as classical music. Playing a violin concerto fast enough and loud enough sells more records than a more subtle/nuanced interpretation. Does that sound familiar?:)

    So true. Can't wait to watch Carmen again tomorrow!
     
  20. Judy

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    OMG it's one competition people. The same thing happened last year throughout the season for V&M and who won worlds? These are two great teams .. I'm loving the rilvary. I'm more then sure that V&M will go home and fix whatever needs fixing (likely more practice and some tweeks) but I can hardly wait to see Carmen. These are two great teams and they are bringing out the best in each other.
     
  21. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    I've been watching ice dance for close to 21 years now. I have a problem with the judging these days and the fact that the qualities that I were taught that embodied good ice dance seem to be ignored these days. Therefore, after V/M and P/B are gone, it may be time for me to get out. And I patently disagree that V/M and D/W are equals and both great teams. Sure, D/W are capable of a lot of difficulty, but there is so much that their skating lacks quality-wise that V/M should be miles ahead.
     
  22. Judy

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    I never said they were equals but if you've ever seen them live they are an extremely good team. Right now both teams are #1 and #2 consistently in the world and even if you don't like them you have to have some type of respect for that.

    It's one competition building towards worlds and building towards the Olympics.
     
  23. Lissa

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    Wow so V&M skate clean & still are behind D&W after the SD...seriously WTF :lol: what are D&W doing that is so impressive cause I saw nothing to make me believe they should be ahead of the WORLD & OLYMPIC CHAMPIONS...is there something going on behind the scenes with the judges & the American federation? No way should V&M be in 2nd place...
     
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  24. Judy

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    Did anyone think that V&M were running close to the boards at the end of their footwork sequence at the end? Or was it just the camera angle?
     
  25. aka_gerbil

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    No, they shouldn't be in 2nd. They certainly shouldn't be 2 points behind. Every single one of those almost 2 points came from GOE and PCS, with D/W outscoring V/M on every single one. That's absurd. :blah:
     
  26. iNap

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    no everything happen in front of scenes. V-M elite fans needs appointements with eye specialistes :D this is low bugetary all because of Sochi arena with low budgetary judges. Japanese already complaint about rooms. The ice is too soft and cause melting due too hot V-M. Tomorrow they will have swimming competition after hot Carmen ;)
     
  27. Proustable

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    No. Scott was EXTREMELY close.

    Anyway, they won't get complacent that's for sure. Additionally, I do hope next season they truly embrace the short dance (Finnstep?) because I think part of the lower score comes from the fact that they just aren't showcasing a polka. Certainly not the same way D/W are.

    And finally, I'm just gonna mention that the judges overmarking D/W hurts D/W too - remember last season at this time.
     
  28. zilam98

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    OT but that sooooo reminds me of the debate in the guitar world RE speed demons like steve vai and eddie van halen vs slow/subtle/bluesy players like jimmy page. ;)
     
  29. aka_gerbil

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    If I'm not mistaken, they do quite like the Finnstep, so I'm sure they'll be more into it. (I still love their SD this year, FWIW.)
     
  30. Lissa

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    & how is that EVEN possible, clearly the judges are OVER scoring D&W & UNDER scoring V&M but WHY that is the million dollar question....now is the time where Marina & V&M need to forget playing nice & go to the federation & ask them what is going on because obviously more than what is happening ON the ice is dicatating what happens in the judging panel...GMAB