Virtue and Moir #22 - To Russia with love

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  1. sequins

    sequins New Member

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    SD is BEAUTIFUL. I love it even more than I did at SC. Not to worried about levels as everyone seems to be struggling with that (cause no one knows what they're looking for) but anyways it's magic.


    When I watch this I keep laughing because of Morozov in the background. I'm talking to my computer screen saying keep your eye on him Tess, don't get to close.
  2. lauravvv

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    Thank you so much, IoanaC!

    So good that they did better than at SC, but I didn't doubt that they would. Still, a bit worried about polka levels. Sinitsina and Zhiganshin managed to get level 3 and 4. Monko and Khaliavin got level 4 too, although the other sequence was level 2. So, it's not like no one is able to get level 4. But I really hope that Tessa and Scott will get this sorted out until GPF. Overall, I liked their performance better than at SC, but that's understandable.
  3. professordeb

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    Thanks for the link! I found some "cute" things while watching
    1) I like MM in glasses!
    2) Marina holding the hand of first Scott and then Tessa while they do a couple of knee bends
    3) how both MM and Marina seem to key in on Tessa & Scott while the Shibs seem left on their own. Now that could be just because we didn't see things earlier but I like how Marina is very much there for these two
    4) liking how Scott made his way out from the crowd and off to the side where he is later joined by Tessa, MM & Marina. Guess he didn't feel the need to stay bunched up with the rest.

    OK, now my question regarding the person posting this video and the other one of the warmup. I noticed that the title had Findlandia and when it first loaded I thought I was seeing the wrong thing cause I knew Tessa & Scott didn't go there this season but then when I saw them come out in their outfits, I knew it was for this season sooooo ... did the person who so wonderfully uploaded these files simply make a mistake in the title? Not trying to be nasty but if someone were trying to find the video using CoR or anything along those lines, my guess is those videos wouldn't come up. Anyone have any guesses as to why the difference in title? I'm just curious.
  4. Twilight1

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    I really feel for the Shib's. They are not one of my fave teams but I found it kind of bummerish that MM and MZ kind of ignored them. I think they need to find new coaches stat. Really surprised they didn't go with Igor.

    I also liked this video for the funny factor. Yes stay far far away from Morozov! Last thing we need to read about is him being with Tessa!
  5. Shayii

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    Thanks IoanaC!

    I have a few choice words about the current application of keypoints as levels to the compulsory dance patterns that are now embedded in the SD, but I am so tired, so not sure I will be able to express my self clearly. But here goes...how can the levels be different? They are supposedly doing all the same steps, which is very different from other aspects of the SD and FD (where the steps are very different). As I recall, levels for the various portions of the CDs (before the SD was introduced) were the same for everyone and it was only the GOEs that were scored. I'm sorry, but the fact that Sinitsina and Zhiganshin received a combined score on the YP higher than V/M (who I consider to be the best CD skaters of their generation) should raise questions about the validity of the current assignment of levels on only the key steps as well as the relative contribution of levels and GOE to the dance pattern portion.
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  7. bmcg

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    I'm trying to find out what part made them snobs?? My best guess is the bit about the lifts BUT it's a fact, there are obviously much simpler ways to get a level four lift.

    Anyone using THOSE quotes against were desperately looking for something and gleefully twisting any meaning there.
  8. aka_gerbil

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    Tessa and Scott being called snobs for some of their comments today is really rubbing me the wrong way. I sort of equated what they said about the lifts to how some of the jumps can be for the singles skaters. We all know that what is considered an easier jump according to CoP can actually be a harder jump for some skaters and what is considered a harder jump actually easier. What CoP considers more difficult isn't always the case for each particular skater or team.
  9. Shayii

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    Yea I read the article twice and I'm just like which part is snobbish?! Actually they were pointing to the part where Tessa used the duck analogy :rolleyes:.
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    Why waste time worrying about what others say behind an anoymous internet keyboard .. there will always be negativity in the skating world .. I don't pay attention.
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    was interesting to see how little they have to do to get a level4 on the lift. i'm watching this version while thinking that they initially wanted to flip her around his neck (plus whatever else that we didn't get to see) and that when all she has to do is stay on his shoulders? this plus the spin and how he touches her, reaching over to touch her face, while spinning... no extra mark but added difficulty. this is the first season where i can see how much extra they give to please themselves. they could please the judges with a whole lot less.
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  12. iggie

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    and thanks for using my suggestion for the thread title.
  13. sequins

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    Agreed Judy. You'll drive yourself crazy trying to figure people out. A lot of them probably don't even know why they don't like them but hey any excuse will do.There's nothing there that is 'snobbish'. These people obviously just don't like V/M and instead of just saying so and leaving it at that they feel the need to bash them and make stuff up that's just not there to make themselves feel better about their 'hate'. Success breeds hate, unfortuately.
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    when tessa and scott fall or slip or miss a twizzle, haters concentrate on that. i didn't hear anything at sc about how fat tessa was or how snobbish they were. now that tessa and scott skated so well, now the petty, baseless criticism comes out. imo.
  15. bmcg

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    Just for context the duck analogy was the answer to a question in the press conference stating that they looked so calm before their skate and whether they get nervous before competition and if so how do they cope with it. Tessa said she was very nervous and put a lot of pressure on themselves, quack quack....
  16. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I thought the comparison to a duck was great: you don't see any effort in their skating, it's true.

    If people are going to pick on those totally innocuous politically correct comments, then Scott might as well go back to saying they're the most artistic team of the last 10 years, since that was far more entertaining. :p Not to mention it's true.
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    Tracy Wilson has pointed this out before but I think this season with both their programs it becomes more obvious to the viewers as well. It really stood out to me tonight watching the slow motion replay of the opening their SD on a link in the pbp thread. The commitment to telling a story while executing all the elements. I was blasé about their SD at SC, tonight I was intrigued. I really think this year they have two excellent programs that will be stunning by Worlds. So excited to watch the season unfold.
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    I remember Tess used the duck analogy in their book. I truly think they are the best ever. I even love them more than I did Torvil and Dean, and I didn't think that would ever be possible. Thanks for all the links, pics and vids. You all are amazing! :fan:
  19. IoanaC

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    Well, adventurous practice for Tessa and Scott. They practiced the lifts and the step sequences before it was their turn with the music, everything looked great, the did the beginning and then... the combination lift got stuck. She couldn't hold her position, he managed to hold her without dropping her. It wasn't pretty. They were nervous, lost concentration, skated a little through the music until the finale and had to abort the famous rotational lift as well. The music ended and, a few seconds later, they tried it again. This time it worked and I have absolutely no idea how Scott managed to provide comic relief by singing the ending himself, while twirling Tessa around!:lol: They were relieved, the people in the audience were relieved (about 30 press members and photographers), everybody cheered and clapped. They did the combo lift again, twice - the first time Tessa didn't hold her position enough, the second time it was perfect. When they left the ice there was clapping and cheering again (none of the other skaters received this special treatment:))
    I panicked for a moment, and I'm sure I'm going to be very nervous tonight, but I'm also aware that incidents like that will continue to happen as they perfect the program. When you look at the elements piece by piece, as they perform them in practice, it's even more obvious how unbelievably difficult it is, and how easy it would be to screw it up. It's like walking on a tight rope. They're taking major risks, but it's obvious that people love and respect them for that.
    So, I hope they get "in the zone" again, to concentrate for tonight.

    Other impressions: the Shibs have great costumes; I couldn't really get the feel of the program, because they skipped through the choreo parts and only did step sequences (which weren't great, I have to say...) and lifts (new for them, as far as I could tell). It's interesting to compare teams when you watch them live. Elena and Nikita have speed and power, but not much finesse; with the Shibs it's the other way around. Unfortunately for them, power gets you more points. Their step sequences felt a bit shallow and they don't cover much ice. Elena and Nikita are sweeping, but you can drive a truck between them. Tessa and Scott's diagonal step seq is a masterpiece, it makes the rink look too small for them.:)

    Since it's going to be my only chance to watch Carmen live, I'll try to enjoy every moment of it and forget the nerves (who am I kidding?)...
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  20. clarie

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    Thank you Ioana again :)....I hope they nail that lift today.......
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    So do I. I feel like they have just as much artistry and connection, but they're doing so much more difficulty and they have so much more power across the ice.
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    Thanks again, Ioana... I almost wish I hadn't read that, because I'm not going to find out how they did until much later today, LOL. But it just goes to show, like you said, how difficult what they are doing actually is, no matter how easy they can make it look.

    A step sequence too big for the arena... maybe that's what happened to them at SC!
  23. Lissa

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    Any video from Eurosport coverage yet for the SD? thanks
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    Whats up with Eurosport guys saying all the time how Marina Zueva is their new coach?
    Marina was coach together with Igor?
    Or was she only the choreographer?
    what am I missing?
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    Perhaps. Also keep in mind, North American rinks are typically NHL size ie. about 4 meters narrower than International rinks. I always wondered how skaters would need to adjust their programs to fill the rink, depending where they compete.
  26. Shayii

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    Omg Ioana thanks for your report, but now I'm seriously nervous for them. It seems like they've been trying to overcome nerves moreso in this season than in previous ones. I hope they have an amazing skate today regardless! And thanks again.
  27. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    If they're nervous it's because they're doing things that are more technically difficult and challenging themselves artistically at the same time. I'm sure it would've been much easier doing a style like Carmen if they were in their comfort zone doing all their old elements.

    I'm just so happy about their direction this season. Remember how everyone was freaking out about Funny Face last season? Scott was so upset after GPF, some of us wanted them to leave Marina, and then when they won the World title we thought it'd never happen and therefore they would never change styles. They ended up sticking with her, but with completely unexpected and wonderful material. Didn't rest on their laurels at all. They're always going for that little bit extra now to make their programs masterpieces that will stand up to the great teams of all time. It takes me back to the days of Anissina & Peizerat. :)
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    I missed it. What happened in the diagonal step sequence that they only got a level 2? I see that the PCS is still quite strong, so the judges like this. A few more level 4's across the board too.
  30. Shayii

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    Haven't seen the video, but how come their score didn't improve from SC?
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    I felt like they lacked energy and attack - they also got behind the music for a good amount of it (including their combo lift which is set so perfectly to the music usually) and didn't get back on until the next music change.
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    Just watched it. My first impression is that they were off, but I am happy they have a month to clean up the program and bring it. Today, it was cleaner but less controlled if that makes sense. I still do not see what happened during the diagonal step sequence, but the Russian stream was so bad, I could barely notice their steps. They seemed pleased, though, and I am too because this is a work in progress and the more they work on it, the better it will get. Marina was nodding a lot, too, meaning she likes the direction this is going.
  33. IoanaC

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    Don't have the time to elaborate too much right now, I'll do that when I get to the hotel. You're right, they were off and nervous. But they were also relieved and okay with the scores. They knew they didn't skate as well as they can. My first impression was that they were slow and cautious. Probably because of the lift problem, and also because of the pressure. My fear right now isn't that they won't improve, but that they're getting more and more affected by stress. They will have to work on that. The big plus is that the program really has an impact on the audience. Even with them being slower than usual, by the time they got to the final lift people were cheering. There was a collective wow around me. What I also liked was that they were more sensual than at SC, so in that sense, yes, they were less controlled.
  34. Golightly

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    I feel they are more nervous when they feel they HAVE to win. When they compete with D-W, I feel that pressure is at least shared between the top 2. I would say this was a more successful Grand Prix round for them than last year. There were many doubts about their programs last year. Right now I feel they know the programs are there, they just need more practice. That is also why I think they were pleased with the scores.

    I wish they explained where the deduction came from. Was it for the choreographic lift? It looked a lot less smooth this time around.
  35. Shayii

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    Thank you! Can't wait to see your reports later on. And you too Pani.
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    I was so nervous for them after IoanaC's practice report (Thanks for the great report!! BTW) and also Patrick Chan. I was actually at a birthday party with heavy drinking :lol: yet I still have the constitution to spam FSU on my phone to check the results.

    Glad they both skated relatively well (V/M and Patrick) and I am anxious to see the video for V/M. Some from the pbp thread said it was better skated than SC but some said they are more tentative. I'm just glad they got through the program without any major lifting glitches after their practice.
  37. aka_gerbil

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    That's my big concern for them right now as well: nerves and stress. The improvement in the programs is going to come; they had such a short turn around between SC and CoR, they really couldn't do a lot of work. They have time before the GPF. They're doing all new elements, which is obviously not as easy as doing things you've done many times before, and the GOE's will come on those with time. For all the shouting that they're suffering without Igor, I remind everyone again that last year when Igor was still there all of the Canton teams had trouble getting their levels at some point in time. I think the only problem they have right now is nerves. They just need to settle down and get those under control.
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    I just watched it and I thought there were parts of it that were much improved from SC. The last lift looked like a struggle and the spin travelled a bit but overall I thought it was good. Their intensity from SC didn't seem to be there as much and maybe lacking a bit of speed but it's hard to tell from that video, half to watch it on CBC in an hour and see. But hey the commentators loved it andTatiana Tarasova was there and gave them a standing O so it can't be all bad:) It's a work in progress and I'm glad don't want it perfect yet. One thing I would change is when Tessa kicks her leg, where they had the error at SC but kinda saved it. Today I don't no if it was perfect either but it didn't look right and maybe that would be something they could change IMO.

    BTW what is up with I/K? That music and her outfit is just...I don't no whether to :lol:or:(or:scream:Morosov what have you done to them?
  39. Golightly

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    I watched it again. The first half, which includes the twizzles is unbelievably smooth. I still do not see why the level 2 in the diagonal step sequence, which is one the most genius things I have ever seen them do. Anyone help me?

    Oh, I like that part where she kicks her leg! It is very risky but I would not change it? Today it looked better.
  40. sequins

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    I like it to but I'm just not sure, while better today, if it wasn't a problem again. I know risk, risk they like risk....Ok nevermind keep it;)