Virtue and Moir #22 - To Russia with love

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    I could understand, because "Carmen" is so different from there usuall style. So people could thinking only about it :)))))
    And i agree "live" you could see much more in this SD, then on TV. Not surprise TAT, Moiseeva-Minenkov and some other vips gave them standing ovations after this SD. Will see how they will re-work it.
    O, and did you notice our banners? Tessa were so impressed, she talked about it even in Mix-zone. She said- we even didnt have any in Canada. Look, like this was important for them to have one.
     
  2. elle123

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    Weird. Did you try clearing your cookies and cache? Sometimes that can fix bugs like that.
     
  3. elle123

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    Meh - to each their own, there are plenty of naysayers about Carmen as well. I will say I definitely don't enjoy it as much as the FD but I'm generally a bigger fan of the FD anyway.
     
  4. IoanaC

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    Funny - as in amusing or as in strange? Why?
    Did you manage to hear what they were saying?!
     
  5. martyross

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    welcome back, Pani! great to see you here again :)
    i'm so glad that it tourned out as a fantastic event for the fans :) since they're so loved in Russia i hope Tessa and Scott will feel "at home" in Sochi for the GPF and of course, at the Olympics.
    Pani, did you like I/K FD, by chance? how was it received by the audience?
     
  6. pani

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    No, they were on big distance from us. Look like they said - thank you and show there respect to first OGM in ice dance :)
     
  7. Shayii

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    lol what the hell! I'm sorry I found this so funny! So you guys just left her there?

    And who is Piseev?
    I do enjoy it initially, but then the polka part starts and I'm like whoa where did that come from; then it's gone just as fast as it came. It's just not gelling quite yet for me.
     
  8. pani

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    O, I-K.... At last FD practice press didnt get any support to them. All look like- WTF?
    At competitions people try to cheer them from the begining a lot. But after the FD audience was in shock and they didnt have a lot off support at all. I was womder - this was in there home country.
    Sinitsina-Zhiganshin and Monko-Khalyvin have more support at CoR.
    As for my opinion. I think they could replace some words from there music, made some interresting lifts, because they show not very impressive now, put more transitions. I still cant understand, why this two skating with such big distance from each other. I think there skating skills let them to skate in more close positions.

    Scott went to the press conference and all went with them - so yes, people left her, becasue want to see medalists.
     
  9. Macassar88

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    Valentin Piseev is second in command after Gorshkov (I think; he is the called the general director) of the RUssian figure skating fed)
    Also, vote for Scott for sexiest skater of the year
     
  10. puglover

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    Welcome back Pani - glad you got to see Tessa and Scott live. What a thrill. Are you going to the GP Finale?
     
  11. pani

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    Thank you! Now i didnt have a plan to go to GPF. But could change my mind :D
     
  12. Shayii

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    lol alright.
    If you can, do it.
     
  13. sap5

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    Piseev used to be head of the Soviet Federation, and then he continued to be the head of the Russian Federation until I think recently, when Gorshkov took over. Piseev has been around forever, and he's a pretty big deal. ;)
     
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  14. Macassar88

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    I just don't want Scott to lose ANYTHING to Luca :)
     
  15. Shayii

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    I'm glad you enjoyed yourself Pani, you should go to the GP final now :)..........and enjoy yourself again :).

    Tessa has a great back and shoulders to carry off a dress like that........she looks amazing in the banquet pics.
     
  17. Golightly

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    Does anyone have a link of the medal ceremony?
     
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    vote where?
     
  20. jl22aries

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    I really like the SD, A LOT. I've actually gotten the impression it's been positively received. Perhaps not as much madlove as for Carmen. Stay out of the pbp people! I don't think it's a very representational slice of the global figure skating fan base. Aaand it's where the most biting snark goes to die.

    The polka tune has the same period sound and timbre of the Anthony Hopkins piece, so I actually think it sounds in place nestled in the waltz. They do speak about further developing their movement to accentuate the narrative they are trying to convey, but already I feel like their physical and facial expressions are telling me a story.

    I did not get the same impressions from the Marina article that Pani did. In the translated version, it's the interviewer, not Marina, that suggests that some people felt the 1-2 placement ought to have been inverted, and I thought Marina gave a very diplomatic and elegant answer saying that they just don't focus on what they can't control (my words) and that things change from event to event (so here she mentions how the results were indeed inverted for WTT just mere weeks later). I wish to express for the record, that I do not buy into the in-fighting conspiracy theories. These are experienced professionals and consenting adults. Sure there must be challenges and politics, but in-group sabotage? No no no.

    Okay, CBC podcast very rough transcript coming up...
     
  21. jl22aries

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    Roughly, the CBC podcast:

    Kurt: first time a Canadian team has won at COR, and here it happened twice. The world of dance opens up my mind to what the possibilities can be for a performance, despite the many rules in competition programs. VM went above the rules and reached a place that is reserved only for the stage...the theatre or ballet. It's no longer a clean white sheet with advertising on the boards and white lights. They stepped on the stage and went kmph(inaudible sound). Loved the sexual tension.

    Tracy: what tension?! Har har.

    PJ: On twitter there was a woman who really does not like the program, on different levels, I think that tension is part of it. Another twitterer thought it was wow and amazing, modern movement, very original. There was a movie 20 years ago, a flamenco production, and the Carmen was very dark in that piece. Tessa reminds me of that very dark, not romanticized Carmen. Beyond vixen. I'm mesmerized by the transformation. She's lovely in person.

    Kurt: how many times do we see skaters that have the SS and confidence to go beyond the concentration level it takes just to do them, to allow them to achieve something higher. It doesn't happen very often and I think with this team it does. Skating fans are not used to seeing that rawness. We are used to seeing young skaters who are not at that maturity level

    Tracy: that don't have the the dance training, the background, the range

    Kurt: we're used to seeing more of a sport, and when somebody can go past that and make you a little uncomfortable, or make you feel, then our sport has blossomed into something more

    Tracy: they have single handedly changed what I thought was possible in Ice Dance in terms of their technical ability and then the risks they take artistically which make their technical requirements all the more risky, really boggles the mind. It's wonderful for the sport A) the way they're pushing the limits technically and artistically, and just reinventing themselves. The versatility they're showing is just wonderful for all the dancers coming up

    Kurt: Gone are the days where people thought the dangerous lifts were just in pairs.

    Favourite moment of the competition for...

    Tracy: My moment was VM. A little bit personal too. I got into dance because of my love of Russian dancers, what I loved was the drama and passion. I was inspired by them. And then to watch VM come with all their athleticism AND drama, like the great Russians that inspired me, and the blend of both!... and the minute they started the reaction from the audience in Moscow...they just came alive. The four minutes of their routine and the standing ovation, to see Tarasova front and centre standing for VM...it was a thing of beauty.

    PJ: that was my favourite moment of the comp. She's the grand dame of ice dance, and the fact that she gave their FD the nod, it really legitimizes the performance art aspect of the dance for me.

    FINI.

    Kurt, by the way, is TRICKY to transcribe!
     
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  22. girlscouse62

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    elle123 - Trash Can PSOTY SEMIFINAL POLL 2
     
  23. IoanaC

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    Actually, I think the pbp threads will be significantly friendlier this season.:) For the SD, opinions differ, but there are almost no negative comments about the FD in the CoR thread, which is a record! All the usual snarky suspects (who, let's be fair, have always appreciated T&S's talent and skating, just not their programs) love Carmen.

    Thanks for the pics, Shay!
     
  24. Emdee

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    Thanks so so much. I dont know why the heck it didnt work for me as it has worked other times.
     
  25. Tracer

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    Thank you for this video, this video just illustrates how far and wide Virtue/Moir's appeal goes. How many skaters truly have a world wide appeal that can garner this kind of devotion, there just isn't many that can do this. But credit Virtue/Moir as well in going out to their fans and meeting up with them in get togethers like this. A fan can be devoted to a skater, but if skaters don't respond to that devotion it can quickly become a one way street, I'm glad to see Virtue/Moir making attempts to reach out to their fans and greeting them in meetings like this.

    Some things that I picked up on this video.

    1)Virtue/Moir have a mass appeal that transends the normal fan bases that usually exists. This fans go out and make banners and get gifts made for their stars. They had two collages made for Virtue/Moir, one for each. Plus we got to see the two banners we saw on the feeds and Virtue/Moir signed them for their fans.

    2)Russia loves Virtue/Moir. I knew they had some fans, but since this was their first visit to Russia, we got to see how many they had. When they skated, there were a ton of Russian fans cheering for Virtue/Moir, with Russian dance couples in the event, it was a huge surprise to me that Virtue/Moir were this loved by the fans. Kudos to the Russians for the support they showered on them.

    3)14:45 This is a fairly big bombshell they dropped. They had the Carmen program already built by June, but by August they dismantled it. They didn't give a definete reason why they would do this, but since Cappelinni/Lanotte had a carmen program coming out, they might of wanted to go into a different direction with it, and in this case this was when Jennifer Swan was brought in to help choreograph the new program. Scott also said this is their favorite Free Dance program they have made. (I guess all skaters would say that for their new program)

    4)35:00 They asked Virtue/Moir who had the most influence in the Carmen Free Dance, Marina Zueva and Oleg Epstein handled the technical side of the Free Dance program and meshing the elements together, but Jennifer Swan handled the choreography part of it with her coming up with movements, lifts and story elements.

    5)16:12 They asked Virtue/Moir about costumes and Tessa replied they didn't want to do a typical red so they went with black with lace and Tessa said, if her coaches had their way, they would want Virtue/Moir to skate in bodysuit and tights to show off their lines.

    This video was very informative, helpful and it showed how much support there is for Tessa and Scott. When your not using their last names to differenciate them with other skaters but using their first names as a couple, that really is telling for people on these forums that they hold a special place in skating.

    Again thank you to the fans out there who make the effort to get videos like this out for all of us fans in the world, we can't say thanks enough to all of you that do this for everyone.
     
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  26. Macassar88

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    double post
     
  27. Macassar88

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    Great Skate Debate (lol)
    PSOTY 2012

    No that one is over already - the main one is in GSD
     
  28. puglover

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    Body suits and tights - I'm all for it. They have had some fabulous costumes but I love the look of "Pink Floyd" from the WC. Just so sharp and your view is never obstructed by layers or fabric.. I doubt that will change for "Carmen" though but I like the Carmen outfits and am so glad she is not in red. I also like the outfit on Scott in the short dance. He looks great in the pictures from COR.
     
  29. pani

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    Scott is the best in Carmen costume :hat1:
     
  30. Twilight1

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    There outfits for both the SD and the FD are amazing.

    Tracer- the 2011 World's were in Moscow so this isn't the first time they have competed in Russia. ;)