Videos of bidirectional jump combinations?

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  1. Bunny_Hop

    Bunny_Hop New Member

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    I've heard there's such thing as doing a jump combination incorporating different directions (eg. CCW salchow with CW lutz). I'd love to see a video, but Youtube doesn't have any results. Has anyone seen a video of this, or someone doing it in real life?

    Thanks!
  2. igniculus

    igniculus Well-Known Member

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    I've only seen Lambiel trying a 2A rotating his usual way and trying it immediately afterwards in a different direction, as some kind of sequence. I think it was some gala practise or so.
  3. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    Todd Eldredge used to do axels both ways.

    I have seen an adult skater years ago at US Adult Nationals who could do axels and double salchows both ways. Amazing.
  4. LilJen

    LilJen Well-Known Member

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    Rohene Ward.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1-havgrIk
    Early bit shows spins in both directions and jumps up to 3a. About halfway through are double jumps in both directions--loop, flip?, and axel, if I remember correctly.

    I know there was a show this summer where Lambiel did 2a in both directions, but I can't remember what it was.
  5. oliver

    oliver New Member

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    Kozuka does a double salchow in the opposite direction in an exhibition number.
  6. Polymer Bob

    Polymer Bob New Member

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    Usually, the 2nd ( and 3rd ) jump of a combination must be a loop or toe loop. But if a skater can jump in both directions, than the 2nd jump can be something else.
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Wow, thanks! :) This is a new practice video from this September that I hadn't seen before, along with another video showing off his extended spirals and other :cool: moves.

    This 2002 exhibition skate by Rohene Ward (one of my all-time favorite skating performances) includes a clockwise to counter-clockwise (his "regular" direction) double Axel sequence, as well as spins in both directions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAdIn-NFKhc
  8. Skate Talker

    Skate Talker Well-Known Member

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    Orser used to iirc. Think is was "only" a single axle though.
  9. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    I miss him :(
  10. floskate

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    Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater :swoon: And thank you for the video of his Vienna exhibition Sylvia. It's years since I last saw it and it was lovely to see again. :)
  11. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    Amazing because you don't see whoch jump is natural : the clockwise or counter-clockwise one ? They are both very good !
  12. leafygreens

    leafygreens Well-Known Member

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    Hypothetical question: Would it be considered a combo to do a lutz CCW, step to the other foot and do a toe loop CW?
  13. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    If there's a step to the other foot, it definitely wouldn't be considered a combo.

    We need a technical specialist to clarify for us whether a step would make it count as a jump sequence or as two separate jump elements.

    I'm pretty sure a change of edge on the same foot would make it two separate elements.

    But if a skater can do that with triple jumps, maybe they should start doing it in exhibitions and lobby to have the rules amended for it to count as a sequence.

    Or would it be more valuable to count it as two separate solo jumps, leaving opportunities for three other combos/sequences in the program, and hope for increased GOEs (for difficult exit of first jump/entry to second) and PCS (for intricate transition; originality; multidirectionality) from the judges.
  14. manleywoman

    manleywoman podcast mistress

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    Should have been National and/or World Champ a few times over. Sigh.
  15. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    That was wonderful!
    He makes it look SO easy.
  16. pollyanna

    pollyanna Don't blink

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    This. Absolutely one of the most beautiful skaters I've ever seen. :swoon:

    Not considered combos, but might be considered sequences:

    Carol Heiss' famous single axels in opposite directions, a signature of hers (2:15).....
    Carol Heiss 1960 US Nationals

    Janet Lynn - double salchows in both directions at 2:00
    Janet Lynn 1969 US Nationals
  17. midori

    midori Well-Known Member

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    It was in triple salchow - reverse double salchow combination, directly from eagle.
    Although he changes edges between the jumps from outside to inside, so I am not sure if it can be called a "combination" by ISU.