Vegans Complain about Yeast in Hot Dog Buns

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  1. Southpaw

    Southpaw Saint Smugpawski

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    I hate it when I have a tasty white chocolate cupcake and someone tells me that I'm a moron because white chocolate isn't real chocolate.
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  2. Artemis@BC

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    This.

    I'm very much a chacun à son goût kinda girl -- I'll debate anyone who wants to as an intellectual exercise, or just for fun ... but I won't presume to lecture the carnivores, and I sure as hell won't tolerate them lecturing me.

    BTW, with the discussion of hot dogs there's yet another Arrogant Worms song that fits: The Hot Dog Song.

    "So have a hot dog on me, my friend.
    It's made out of animal odds and ends.
    So have a hot dog on me, my friend.
    It's the particle board of meats."

    :lol:
  3. BlueRidge

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    I'm for everyone eating the diet they choose for themselves. Preaching vegetarians make me :yikes: :scream: so I well understand how people feel about that, but for me as a vegetarian what upsets me is people who assume that because I am a vegetarian I want to tell them not to eat meat. People who simply upon hearing that I don't eat meat start on with "jokes" about meat eating and "jokes" about dying vegetables. I HATE it when the response to my not eating meat is to go on about vegetarians killing broccolli and the like. Its defensive and I know its because some vegetarians do judge and preach, but it pisses me off royally because you don't know what my view is just because you have learned that I choose not to eat meat. I'm actually not opposed to meat eating so I don't need to hear all the yuck-yuck-yuck hardy-har-hars about killing the poor vegetables nor do I need to have people going on and on about how delicious meat is ooh, yum yum wink wink har har.

    Would love a peace of respect between us all.
  4. Jenny

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    In general, I've found vegetarians and vegans to the be least preachy people when it comes to diet, and the least likely to comment on what other people are eating. As you said BR, it's usually everyone else who makes a big deal about it.
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  5. PrincessLeppard

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    I said "in league with Satan," not "moron." :p
  6. manhn

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    My Buddhist parents made me and my parents eat vegetarian on the 1st and middle day of each month, and during certain holidays (and funerals of our relatives). The faux-meat is nice for those who want/need to eat vegetarian but like meat. I actually prefer veggie burgers over meat burgers. And veggie hot dogs over regular hot dogs. And I love tofu (granted, when deep fried which kinda defeats the whole healthy purpose, but whatever).
  7. MacMadame

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    That's interesting because I find vegans to be, on average, some of the preachiest people around. But just vegans. Vegetarians, pescaderians and whatever you call vegetarians who don't eat eggs but do eat dairy tend to run the gamete but vegans who are vegans for more than a few months to a year always seem to want to lecture me about the evils of meat and how I don't *need* to eat meat to survive or dairy or eggs either.

    What particularly gets to me is when I tell them I need a minimum of 125 g of protein a day or my serum protein levels drop out of range, they say something completely moronic like "broccoli has protein". Well, then you eat 75 cups of broccoli a day, bint.
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  8. skatingfan5

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    ^ "Running the gamete" -- does this mean having a lot of sex? ;) If so, then the non-vegan vegetarians and the quasi (non-animal eating) vegetarians really might be on to something. :cheer:
  9. Jenny

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    Obviously my sample size is relatively small - perhaps a few dozen over the years but the number is certainly increasing, and I can't think of one who is preachy or has given me a hard time about what I eat. They can get defensive when others inevitably offer their opinions about their choices, but otherwise not. Guess you know some who are different than that :)
  10. manhn

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    The preachiest people are meat, protein, meat, protein people who lift weights 24/7 and hate cardio.
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    IME those are only the second preachiest. ;)
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    I remember working in a lab and I think they used the DNA from yeast for medical research. It was explained to me that at the DNA level the proteins are the same as for humans, so maybe some vegan picked up on that. I know they used some sort of very primitive worm.
  13. maatTheViking

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    I just get annoyed when celebs give interviews and say they are now vegans/vegetarian to 'eat more healthy'. There is nothing inherently healthy about not eating meat.

    Though I personally believe that meat or animals product is part of a healthy, varied diet, there is nothing particularly unhealthy about not eating meat either, of course. Each to their own, and I respect most of the eating choices that people make, but I just can't get over the 'healthy' argument.

    I find the anti leather/fur people to be the most preachiest :p.
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  14. Anita18

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    I haven't heard that before! :lol:

    My friend in college introduced me to Arrogant Worms. Hilariously, she was from Kansas City and not Canada. Not sure where she heard of them.

    My closest vegan friend is open-minded and not preachy. But she will enthusiastically try to turn you vegan if you express even a modicum of interest in changing your diet. :lol:

    But then I feel bad because when I invite her to something, I feel like I have to make sure she has something she can eat! She told me not to worry about it for my wedding, but I still felt the need to bug the caterer (who's known for meaty meat barbeque) about if any of their sides were vegan. :p

    I don't feel bad about exposing her to all the delicious meaty meat at the reception buffet though. :D

    HAH there's this one guy I know (yes, a crossfitter) who swears that the paleo diet will solve everybody's problems. Want to lose weight? Go paleo! Want to gain weight? Go paleo! Want to feel BETTER THAN EVER? PALEO!!!!! PUT BUTTER ON EVERYTHING!!!!!111!!!!

    I'm like, "Um, how does that make any sense?" :lol:
  15. Japanfan

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    I find this true of both vegetarians and vegans. They preach about health in general, not just the evils of meat. From the dangers of mammograms (radiation) to the dangers of cell phones(brain cancer). Usually the preaching is well-intended and they just want to be helpful, but it can become annoying.
  16. PDilemma

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    I have a former student who preaches Paleo all over Facebook. I had to block her from my newsfeed.

    The preachiest people I know are the yoga-obsessed. My "yoga instructor" sister-in-law informed us this weekend that she will be getting additional training in the "philosophy of illness" that will help her cure cancer, heart disease and other such ailments with yoga. having a loved one in cancer treatment right now, I was really in no mood to hear her preach about how oncologists don't understand the "philosophy and psychology of tumors" and treat them wrong. I wanted to scream, actually.
  17. overedge

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    I'm a vegetarian and have been for a long time. Like BR, I don't care if people eat meat in front of me. I'm happy to talk about why I'm vegetarian and my experiences with it to anyone who asks, but I certainly don't harangue people about their choices if those aren't the same as mine.

    Sadly IME vegans are really preachy and rude to anyone who doesn't meet their dietary standards of holiness. The vegans in the news story I posted unfortunately seem to be more evidence of that.
  18. gkelly

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    Ditto.

    As far as I'm concerned it should be a personal choice, not a crusade.
  19. Anita18

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    I was noting to my fiance how Randall Munroe on XKCD made a comic about his now-wife's 2-year biopsy-versary. He said that he'd move to the woods and get cured there away from all the diseases of modern society. "People's tumors go away!" "Yeah, some. A vast majority of them die. If you're okay with that at 30."

    It was hard not to scream then. :wall:

    To further that thought, I don't believe in labels either. If you want to eat vegan but not have to pay attention to food dyes (because some are apparently made with crushed up beetles), you should be able to do that. I don't think one should feel guilty or have their "vegan/vegetarian" card taken away because they don't follow the directions 100%.
  20. PDilemma

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    She also told my husband something about how more consideration needs to be given in cancer treatment to how tumors "think and feel". He said, "you mean people with tumors" and she said no, the tumors. Probably good that I wasn't in the room for that one.

    She is also in a feud with a fellow yoga instructor in her town because they disagree about what makes for "pure" yoga practice and instruction as well as that the other girl thinks she is not a good enough vegan/vegetarian. So there you go.
  21. MacMadame

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    I worked for a guy who belonged to some sort of cult-like organization that believed all illness was psychosomatic. Since we had no official PTO but it was all at his discretion, that was tons of fun.
  22. PDilemma

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    Even better are the people who give up gluten to be healthy. Unless you have celiac or an actual intolerance, there is nothing inherently more healthy about a gluten free diet. And I know too many newly gluten-free people who can only give very vague answers if asked exactly how they knew they had a gluten intolerance.
  23. maatTheViking

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    Word.

    I suspect some people really mean that they felt better after not eating commercially produced white bread - adding more fiber to you diet it probably a good thing, and most non gluten alternatives have higher fiber content.
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    I'm fortunate in my co-workers. We are a very diverse group of people with quite a lot of variability in our dietary patterns, but we all are very aware of most of the important issues in agriculture. Whether we are vegetarian, omnivore, paleo, organic, we all agree that sustainable production practices, good animal husbandry, and supporting local production are all the most important factors in our food buying practices. It's probably the most commonly discussed topic around our lunch table, but it's always civil and engaging. No preaching.
  25. DAngel

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    I hate it when Vegetarians/Vegans exaggerate and call non-vegetarians/non-vegans a carnivore.

    I'm an omnivore. I eat vegetables and fruits too. In fact, I eat a lot more of those than meat.
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  26. danceronice

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    This is true even evolutionarily. Humans (and the other great apes, but most notably humans, and then chimps) are highly successful because they'll eat just about anything that doesn't actively poison them. Our systems are quite clearly evolved to chew and digest almost anything short of cellulose. You can eat healthy on a huge variety of things.

    And I find vegans and 'raw food' types the preachiest about DIET. Or maybe most self-righteous, not preachy. At least those who stick with it; I also know a larger sample size of people who tried extreme diets like veganism, raw-food, liquid diets (not weight loss temporary diets, actually trying to live primarily off liquid/liquified foods) who went back to a more balanced lifestyle. "Vegetarian", otoh, I know people who chose to do that for a huge variety of reasons, including a few friends in college who were vegetarian mostly because it made being kosher a LOT easier.

    What bugs me are vegetarians who still eat fish. Fish are not very scaly mobile plants. They're animals. If you eat fish, you are eating an animal, and you are not a vegetarian. You are a pescetarian.
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    :lol: I think that's the case with most people. Aside from one of my coworkers, who definitely prefers meat over anything else. A salad came with his take-out for lunch today and I'm eating right now because he didn't want it.

    I'm not sure how his digestive system is still functioning. :lol: He did grow up on a cow farm in Kenya, maybe they didn't have any greens and that's just what he's used to?
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    They'll have a blast :) Every time I've seen them live I've been doubled over, tears running down my face laughing.
  29. misskarne

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    One of the most annoying people in one of my classes at uni was a vegan, who used to openly preach DURING CLASS about how we were all evil, cruel people because we were carnivores. One day I had enough of him and said to his face, "Yep, love a big juicy steak! I love it just as much as all my caveman and ape ancestors did!"

    Alas, it did not work. He then proceeded to preach about how we had "outgrown our heathen past" and "no longer needed to eat meat". Yeah right pal. Finally the lecturer told him to STFU.

    On the note of evolution, I remember thinking the vegans/vego lot really dropped the ball on those Sam Neill "Red Meat. We Were Meant To Eat It" ads. It was the most complained-about ad of that year, but it wasn't the vego lot that got to it; it was the churches who were screaming blue murder that Sam Neill had openly said in an advertisement that we evolved from apes. :lol:
  30. Jenny

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    Any good caterer will be able to provide a vegan meal - just be sure to explain what exactly that means.

    I have a good friend who's vegan - when we first met, she would bring her own snacks to parties so as not to trouble the hosts. But since then, we've all (a group of friends) taken up the challenge to find delicious vegan choices for dinner parties and barbecues, and those dishes have proven just as popular with the meat and dairy eaters. We often go to restaurants together, and usually call ahead to ensure that a vegan can be accommodated. Half the time the chef prepares something especially for her, and the rest of us look longingly at her plate and wish we were having what she's having :lol:
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    This.

    I've found myself to be moderately intolerant to gluten and I can't imagine how would someone give it up just because is allegedly healthier :rolleyes:
    Gluten is delicious!! I miss proper bread and pasta soooo much. And not eating it makes your life much harder since almost everything has gluten in it.
    I eat some little thing with gluten once every 2 or 3 weeks and feel miserable, digestive and respiratory wise, the next day.
    But the taste and texture are sooo worth it.

    By not having gluten you're cutting a whole bunch of whole grain cereals that are very healthy.
  32. purple skates

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    :lol: Not lauging at you, but at the differences in our workplace. My co-workers and my food discussions consist of whether or not to place a group Chinese food order, to who cooked fish in the microwave, to whether or not one in particular is trying to kill us with the wonderful smells of the stufff she makes but doesn't share with us!
  33. danceronice

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    Just...LOTS OF WARNING. Most annoying customer ever did nothing other than show up with a twelve-top (reservation of 12 people at one table) and only after being seated tell the server she was a vegan. If we'd known when the reservation was made, we could have done something decent. Instead she got whatever we could throw together in the time it took to make everything else for the table from what few ingredients we had on hand. Couldn't use any of the prepared starches (pretty much ever restaurant makes those in advance), couldn't use any prepared sauces, even the vegetarian entree had dairy on it (limited menu). I was on pastry; she got berries tossed in sugar with a mint sprig.

    Although my favorite LATELY is someone who came in (we're an Italian restaurant) wanting something without garlic or olive oil. Their options were pretty much any of the regular proteins-two kinds of fish, or two kinds of steak, without the sauces and with the rice (the only side made with just water), or a special-order pasta.
  34. Jenny

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    As I said, when we make restaurant reservations we always say that one of our party is vegan and will she be able to find something on the menu. We are also specific about where the issue lies - she has a severe dairy allergy. Similarly, I have a friend with a nut allergy so when booking a restaurant I asked about it - they told me honestly that they used peanut oil in a lot of dishes and couldn't guarantee a nut-free meal, so we booked elsewhere.
  35. BlueRidge

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    At my workplace, our "wellness committee" recently showed this film: Food, Inc.

  36. MacMadame

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    Except IME the people who "give up" gluten because it's "healthier" actually eat a fair amount of it. :lol:
  37. Jenny

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    I think that sometimes when people say "because it's healthier" they really mean "it makes me feel healthier." There continue to be a lot of diverse and often contrary opinions as to what is healthy and what is not, and more and more I'm seeing that people are realizing that what works for one person doesn't always work for another, and thus "healthier" is becoming more about the person than the food.
  38. Artemis@BC

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    Um, it was a joke :rolleyes: ... I would have thought that was pretty obviously from the context of the rest of what I said. But sorry if it offended you.

    I'm a vegetarian but I eat more than just vegetables.
  39. Artemis@BC

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    I agree wholeheartedly. And I think a lot of the "eating healthier = feeling healthier" results from just the process of thinking about what you're putting in your body. (And then acting on it too, of course!) So many people of my demographic were brought up on a meat-and-potato diet that we never questioned when we were growing up. For many people that can work just fine, but for me every Sunday roast was a torture. It never crossed my mind, or my mother's, to even question it.
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    I have friends who have seen this film, and I don't want to see it. Basically they told me it makes you want to stop eating :p. Ignorance is bliss!

    I try to mainly buy high quality grassfed beef (since we decided to eat less red meat, but spend the same amount on it), but one thing that really bugs me about regular American beef in supermarkets is how much water there is in it. If I get fajitas strips or something I can't really brown them since they leak water before they are browned. Yuk. At least higher quality beef doesn't seem to have the problem, but I read somewhere that there is no regulation to prevent producers to add water to their beef to increase the profit.