USFS 2011 Governing Council

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  1. Tammi

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    Going on this weekend in Lombard, Illinois.

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    310. APPROVED - Competitions Committee
    Made the following changes to the qualifying competition structure:
    1. Have the four best-placed competitors in the intermediate and juvenile singles events in each region qualify to enter the appropriate sectional championship.
    2. Replace the current U.S. Junior Championships stand-alone event with a smaller national competition for juvenile and intermediate athletes held in conjunction with the U.S. Figure Skating Championships.
    3. Have the four best-placed competitors in all intermediate and juvenile events (singles, pairs and ice dancing) from each section qualify to enter the national competition mentioned in item 2 above.

    Implementation date: September 1, 2012


    Other Reports of Action, http://www.usfsa.org/story.asp?id=46049 .
     
  2. Jenna

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    Not sure I love the idea of U.S. Junior championships being eliminated..it certainly makes qualifying for the competition more exclusive though. This sort of seems like a money saver. :shuffle:

    They also increased the maximum age of Juvenile skaters to fourteen years old. I sort of like this change.

    Also significant changes to the required elements in the Novice and below levels. No more choreographed steps/spirals in novice, but the choreographed steps are now in place for intermediate and juvenile.
     
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  3. shan

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    Wait so in Novice pairs SP a step sequence is required and the spiral is gone and in the FS its the opposite. Did I read that correctly?
     
  4. Jenna

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    Both programs will have a step sequence with a level called. Yes, spirals are gone in both programs.
     
  5. Debbie S

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    I assume so. Now less kids will have the chance to go to JN. For some, it might be their only nat'l comp.

    I haven't read the exact rule - is it under 14 as of Sept 1 or under 15?
     
  6. shan

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    But that's not what this says or am I reading it wrong?

     
  7. Tammi

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    This is what's on the USFS site, but I think there must be a typo (see my bolding) or am I just reading it completely wrong :confused: .

    344. APPROVED - Competitions Committee

    Increased the maximum age for juvenile to "14 years of age or older as of Sept. 1 prior to the regional championships."



    Clearly they have some things to hash out regarding the dissolving of JN's, but I suspect this could be make it tougher (ie more expensive) for those affected. Instead of one trip and one fee for regionals, followed by the JN's event, they will potentially have 2 trips and 2 fee's, followed by the expenses involved with Nationals. Would they still allow pairs and dance byes if there aren't enough teams in each section? I just hope Omaha was kept aware of this, as they'll now need to secure 144 more hotel rooms and possibly a 3rd surface for a few days. Is the US the only country who has a "national" event for all levels, juvenile-senior?
     
  8. Jenna

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    Oops! Sorry! I thought you were talking about singles. Yes, you're correct for the pairs.
     
  9. Jenna

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    There must be a typo for the juvenile rule. It is definitely fourteen years or younger as of Sept. 1st. ;)

    And yes, this is more expensive, and now many less young boys and girls will have a chance to compete at "nationals." I hope we will get coverage of these events in Omaha, as I really love seeing them. I wonder if it will be on the same ice surface?? Who knows. I also wonder if Omaha was aware of this rule change, hope they were. I don't believe any other countries have a "national" elite event for their intermediate or "pre-novice" or juvenile skaters. This is a first for me.
     
  10. Stormy

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    I read through the entire proposal and reasoning for restructuring JNs, and I was wholeheartedly for the idea after finishing it. I found it under the Members Only site of USFS but if you can find a copy of it, read it through and it really does make a lot of sense.
     
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    Do you think eventually more skaters might hang out in Pre Juv? Right now, it seems like such a non-level (at least around here) with the thought seeming to be that it's soooo close to Juv, why not just move up, especially with the age restriction looming. It's less expensive, generally, to skate Pre Juv than to move up to Juvenile and IJS judging.

    It also seems that with the removal of a spin and the limits on jump combinations, the program component scores will be more important. Not that they aren't now, but some kids can really get by on strong jumps and spins. The Juv programs have been so packed with elements in the past - now there's going to be a bit more breathing room for "skating"...it will be interesting to see what happens at the competitions.

    My daughter has one more program with her old program and the old system. Then she goes to Liberty in July with a new program and new changes. Just when I was getting the hang of reading the protocol sheets. :)
     
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    THAT is awesome! What a wonderful gesture to recognize what Rudi did for Mark at 4CC and holy crap, Mark had to be exhausted there since he had just skated at Worlds like two days before this event!! Wow. Glad he could be there for it though! :respec:

    Yay Rudi!! :cheer:
     
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    Just got back from Governing Council

    Item 344 ... OPEN Juvenile is 14 and older

    Juvenile is now 13 and younger. The age is based upon September 1.

    THe effective date of this rule change is June 1, 2011
     
  16. manleywoman

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    Also, Adult Sectionals singles events are FINALLY using IJS!
     
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    You mean 14 and younger as of Sep. 1st for Juvenile, right?
     
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    No, 13 and younger (i.e., under 14) as of Sept. 1.

    It used to be 12 and younger (under 13).
     
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    How far down does that go?

    Are they going to subject the lowest levels to it? I don't think I could stand to put up a single digit score...
     
  20. ChibiChibi

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    Oh, that's right. My mistake! Thank you.
     
  21. purple skates

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    I assume just for championship. I also assume the LOC could keep it on for open gold/masters but I doubt they would for anything else.

    However, I wasn't at Governing Council and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I'm not totally sure. :p
     
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    whew... I've heard of european competitions using it for everything, and I am just not up for that challenge! For Championship it is a fantastic idea! (And makes sense- why qualify on a system other than the one you will be judged on for the big event...)
     
  23. manleywoman

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    I'm assuming Championship Events only, so Gold and above.
     
  24. Debbie S

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    I would hope it would be all events that use IJS at AN - so open and Champ events in Gold and higher. If the LOC has to rent the equipment anyway, it's to their advantage to use it more and be able to charge higher fees for more events.
     
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  25. manleywoman

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    Good point.
     
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  27. purple skates

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    From the Adult Committee's Facebook page:

    The way this is written it looks like the open events above gold would be IJS too.

    ETA: Axels now allowed in gold and masters interp? Why? I thought interp wasn't supposed to be all about the jumps.
     
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    The rule change does not require the LOC to ship in the mini-system. They can use the paper system for IJS. The LOC may choose to use a system but they are not required to. This way they can bring in two technical specialists and not the rest of the staff required to run a full IJS event with a system in place. The rule change states

    325. Competitions Committee
    Amend rule 2501 (A)(2) and (B)(1) (page 153, Rulebook) to use the IJS system for championship, masters and gold levels of singles events at adult sectional championships.
    2501 Use of the The International Judging System (IJS) and 6.0 majority system to will be used as follows:
    A. The IJS system will be used:
    2. At all adult sectional championships for the championship, masters and gold levels of singles (mini system not required), and at At the U.S. Adult Figure Skating Championships for the championship, masters and gold levels of singles, pairs and dance (including masters open dance and adult pre-gold dance);