US skaters with Byes to Nationals 2013

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  1. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

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    TOP 5-

    LADIES- Ashley Wagner, Alissa Czisny, Agnes Zawadzki, Caroline Zhang, Christina Gao
    MEN- Jeremy Abbott, Adam Rippon, Ross Miner, Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Douglas Razzano
    PAIRS- Denney/Coughlin, Donlan/Speroff, Castelli/Shnapir
    DANCE- Davis/White, Shibutani/Shibutani, Hubbell/Donohue, K/G-S, Chock/Bates

    *Olympic Gold Bye- Evan Lysacek

    JGP FINAL - TBD

    CONFLICTING EVENTS (all 3 Sectionals are Nov 9-13) and/or 2 GP EVENTS

    LADIES- Mirai Nagasu, Gracie Gold, Rachael Flatt
    MEN- Richard Dornbush, Johnny Weir
    PAIRS- Yankowskas/Reagan, Davis/Ladwig, Vise/Baldwin
    DANCE- Olson/Hubbell
  2. jlai

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    Rachael has a bye?

    ETA: Safe to say Joshua and Jason get a bye, assuming they actually compete at the JGPF
  3. PDilemma

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    Thanks for this list, haribobo. I was wondering about byes the other day.
  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Flatt and the new dance team of Anastasia Olson/Keiffer Hubbell are the U.S. skaters assigned to Ice Challenge in Graz, Austria (published today on USFS' International Assignments page) that didn't already have a bye to Nationals.

    I'm haven't heard for certain yet if having 2 GP events (specifically NHK Trophy) means an automatic bye through Sectionals to Nationals for Davis/Ladwig, though.

    When Kiri Baga qualified for the JGP Final 2 years ago and withdrew due to injury, she kept her bye to Nationals (and then WD later).

    Alexandra Aldridge/Daniel Eaton have also qualified for the JGP Final and will receive a bye to Nationals in Junior Dance.
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  5. jlai

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    Thx, Sylvia. I didn't remember whether the bye is earned by qualifying or competing at JGPF
  6. victoriaheidi

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    Is Flatt being sent to Graz because it's likely that she'd have a hard time qualifying if she went to Mids?

    /conspiracy theory
  7. haribobo

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    I think its a combination of things, but I honestly don't think its out of fear she wouldn't make it (of course that was a possibility that she wouldn't, but USFS doesn't assign out of fear)...basically not surprising she got this spot because of 1) she finished 6th at Nationals- the highest placing finisher without a bye and/or without 2 assignments- and another opportunity for her to get a 4CC/World qualifying score, 2) a kind gesture toward a former Olympian/National champion, and 3) perhaps a kind gesture towards the organizers of Midwestern Sectionals so they don't have to worry about finding extra seating or whatnot to accomodate those who may show up to see a "star" (might not have factored in but who knows). All in all it just makes sense- though it would also have been nice to assign Vanessa Lam or Courtney Hicks to lighten the load on the senior ladies at Pacs, or Yasmin Siraj since she didn't get anything this season...
  8. victoriaheidi

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    Good point. But yes, it really is a shame that Vanessa hasn't been able to redeem her one poor JGP performance and that Yasmin had absolutely nothing all fall (especially hard to argue against any poor performances when you consider Rachael's score at Skate St. Moritz).
  9. leafygreens

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    Isn't Alissa's bye contingent on if she competes at NHK? I wonder how her hip is recovering?
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Czisny was 2nd at Nationals - USFS rulebook states that the top 5 in Senior receive an automatic bye through Regionals & Sectionals the following year.
  11. misskarne

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    DON'T SAY THAT :scream::yikes:

    So Josh and Jason have a bye. Maybe Nathan Chen as well, can you get a bye to Junior Nationals?

    All these byes, who actually competes at the qualifiers?
  12. johndockley92

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    There's still tons of people who are competing in the qualifiers; including the aforementioned Lam and Hicks.

    Also - Nathan will get a bye to nationals if he makes the final, yes you can get a bye to nationals at the Junior level.


    ITA that the senior ladies at Pacifics are gonna be a tough group this year.
  13. haribobo

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    It'll be a bit easier to name the top contendors for Sectionals once all the Regionals and JGP events are done, but so far, some of the top senior skaters we could see at sectionals...

    MEN- Grant Hochstein, Keegan Messing, Max Aaron, Brandon Mroz, Sean Rabbitt, Andrew Gonzales, Alex Johnson, Harrison Choate, Tim Dolensky, Wesley Campbell, William Brewster, Jonathan Cassar, Scott Dyer, Philip Warren, Alex Aiken, Michael Chau, Daniel Raad

    LADIES- Vanessa Lam, Hannah Miller (poss. JGPF), Samantha Cesario (poss. JGPF), Angela Wang (poss. JGPF), Courtney Hicks (poss. JGPF), Leah Keiser (poss. JGPF), Yasmin Siraj, Joelle Forte, Nina Jiang, Kiri Baga, Ashley Cain, Haley Dunne, Mckinzie Daniels, Becky Bereswill, Amanda Dobbs, Morgan Bell, Sophia Adams

    PAIRS- Zhang/Bartholomay, Kayne/O'Shea, Scimeca/Knierim, Denney/Frazier, Baga/Toth, Duarte/Grafton, Leng/Leduc

    DANCE- Cannuscio/McManus, Hoptman/Filchenkov, Pilgrim/Lorello, Halstead/Knopf, Nardozzi/Traxler, Aronow/Brubaker, Gamelin/Gamelin, Cannuscio/Bramante

    That should be most of the top contendors competing- sorry to anyone I forgot for now...
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  14. icellist

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    Returning skaters Kristiene Gong and Ellie Kawamura!

    Also, skaters from summer club competitions with respectful FS score:
    NA: Jordan Bauth (88+)
    SA: Jessica Hu (85+)
    UGL: Carly Gold (86+)
    NWP: Amanda Hofmann (82+)
  15. Vagabond

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    I think your question deserves a more direct answer than you've been given so far.

    In Seniors, the top five finishers at the previous season's U.S. Nationals get automatic byes.

    The USFSA also occasionally writes its rules in such a way that certain other top Senior skaters get automatic byes based on past international performances. If I remember correctly, there is currently a bye that is specific to gold medalists from the last Winter Olympic Games (In other words, it was written to allow Lysacek a bye even though he hasn't competed since 2010.)

    Skaters receive byes to the next round (Sectionals or Nationals) if they have an international assignment close to the date of the pertinent qualifying championship (Regionals or Sectionals).

    Also, some skaters receive byes under certain circumstances when there aren't very many entries from their Region or Section.

    Take away all these skaters, and who is left to skate at the qualifiers? Typically, it's (1) skaters who competed the previous season but didn't qualify for Nationals the previous season, (2) skaters who qualified for Nationals but didn't finish high enough to be sent to an international competition, (3) skaters whose international competitions aren't scheduled close to the date of the domestic qualifying competitions, (4) skaters who for one reason or another didn't compete the previous season but don't have an exemption the way Lysacek does, and (5) skaters moving up to a higher level (e.g., Seniors). Effectively, that means all skaters competing on the Novice level, most Juniors, and quite a few Seniors.
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I've already posted this link in the U.S. Regionals info/results discussion thread in Kiss and Cry, but I have started to compile the projected rosters for the 3 U.S. Sectionals in November (final qualifying competition for 2013 Nationals) in my blog as well as trying to keep track of all known byes (besides the top 5 Senior finishers from 2012 Nationals) here: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/sectionals/
    The top 4 finishers in the Novice/Junior/Senior events advance to Nationals from each of the 3 Sectionals.

    ETA: I'm not surprised that Flatt was assigned to Ice Challenge for a bye through Sectionals because she is a former national champion and Olympian. USFS has been cutting back on competition byes to Nationals in recent years in an attempt to limit the size of the Senior singles fields, so it makes sense that both of their men's entries for Ice Challenge (Mahbanoozadeh, Razzano) already have byes to Nationals due to their top 5 finish in 2012.
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  17. gkelly

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    There are always enough ladies singles skaters to hold a senior competition in every region, but it's comparatively rare for there to be enough senior men in the same region, without other byes, to require a competition.

    Smaller regions might not have enough men at some of the lower levels either. It can vary from year to year.

    Pairs and dancers start the competition process at sectionals -- in large part because there are rarely enough teams in any one region to require them, especially if fill-up rules apply.
  18. SkateFan66

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    The USFSA did not re-write its rules to provide Lysacek a bye into nationals. In fact, USFSA does not have a bye to nationals that is "specific" to Olympic Gold Medalist. However, the USFSA does provide a bye for winning a medal at the most recent Olympic Winter Games (Winners of a medal at the previous year's World Championships also get byes into Nationals) Sasha Cohen is a recent example of a skater using the Olympic medal as a bye into nationals. Sasha Cohen won silver at the 2006 Olympics and did not compete again until the 2010 US Nationals.


    U.S. Figure Skating Qualifying Structure:

    http://www.usfsa.org/Events.asp?id=490
  19. michiruwater

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    It was also how Michelle basically just competed at Nats and Worlds multiple times. She got a bye to Nats based on her Oly medal. It's not exactly a new rule.
  20. Vagabond

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    Huh? Michelle Kwan earned her byes by winning or finishing second or at Nationals for twelve years in succession. The rule that allowed Sasha Cohen to receive a bye to Nationals was instituted for the 2009-10 season.
  21. 5Ali3

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    I think of it as the "Brian Boitano Rule," instituted in 1993 to give reinstating Olympians a bye to 1994 Nationals. :shuffle:
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    The rule gives a bye to an Olympic medalist from the 'most recent' Olympic games. Boitano won an Olympic gold medal in 1988. He did not compete at the 1992 Olympics. Therefore, in 1994, Boitano was not an Olympic medalist from the 'most recent' Olympic games.
  23. LilJen

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    So, Mahbanoozadeh doesn't compete again until Nationals? Really, USFS. GIVE THE GUY A SR B!!!
  24. Sylvia

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    Armin M. did receive a second Senior B (Ice Challenge)... ETA: I've bumped up and updated the U.S. Men's thread in GSD.
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  25. SkateFan66

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    Armin is scheduled to compete at the Ice Challenge in Graz, Austria, November 6-11. ;-)
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    Oh, good!! Glad to hear that.
  27. haribobo

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    Congrats to Angela Wang, Hannah Miller, Jason Brown, Josh Farris, and Aldridge/Eaton for making JGPF and getting byes to Nationals! :cheer:

    Now we wait to see what happens with Keiser and Cesario next week...
  28. 5Ali3

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    The rule has undergone revision over the years, and may even have been removed for a few seasons (forgive me for not looking through 20 years of records to determine exactly when and how); its initial conception was related to expected return of Boitano and Yamaguchi. My point was simply that different people ascribe the origin of the rule to different skaters.
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Keiser also qualified for the JGP Final :cheer:, but Cesario had to WD from the JGP in Germany due to a hamstring injury :( so she will compete at Easterns next month.

    ETA:
    Cross-posting this relevant question/answer from the U.S. Regionals thread in Kiss and Cry:
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  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    To summarize all the known byes to 2013 Nationals:

    Senior Men (9 or 10): Abbott, Rippon, Miner, Mahbanoozadeh, Razzano; Dornbush, Weir, Brown, Farris and Lysacek if he competes at Nationals.

    Senior Ladies (10): Wagner, Czisny, Zawadzki, Zhang, Gao; Nagasu, Gold, Wang, Miller, Keiser

    Senior Pairs (7 at least): Denney/Coughlin, Donlan/Speroff, Castelli/Shnapir; Vise/Baldwin, Davis/Ladwig, Yankowskas/Reagan, H. Denney/Frazier (and any other team that has elected not to compete at Sectionals due to 4 or fewer registered)

    Senior Dance (6 at least): Davis/White, Shibutanis, M. Hubbell/Donohue, Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt, Chock/Bates, Olson/K. Hubbell

    Junior Dance (1): Aldridge/Eaton
    Junior Pairs (1 known to date): Simpson/Blackmer (due to 4 or fewer teams registered at Mids)
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  31. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    For those interested, here are the relevant rules pertaining to byes to Nationals as published in the current USFS rulebook online:
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    Reposting from the US Pairs Thread:

    To summarize, and please, correct me where I'm wrong, the bye rules are:

    • The top five skaters/teams at Nationals get a bye to Nationals the next year.
    • For singles, if a skater is assigned to two GP's, that skater gets a bye to Sectionals.
    • If a skater/team is assigned to an international competition within a certain time range of Regionals (singles) or Sectionals (singles and teams) and doesn't already have a bye, the skater/team is given a bye if they travel to and begin the international competition (by precedent).
      Is that two weeks +/- the international competition?​
    • If a skater/team without a bye checks off on the Nationals application that it won't compete at Sectionals (singles and teams) if there are less than four signed up, and less than four sign up, that skater/team has a bye to Nationals.
      Does this apply to Regionals as well, moving the skater automatically to Sectionals?
      Is it less than four or <+ four?​
    • If a skater/team without a bye checks off on the Nationals application that it will compete at Sectionals (singles and teams) if there are less than four signed up, and that team is the only one who signs up, then the skater/team has the option of skating or performing in the exhibition and receiving a bye to Nationals.

    If a skater doesn't have a bye for Regionals (singles) or Sectionals (singles and teams), the skater must compete at the qualifying competition and place high enough, or that skater can't compete at the next level.

    Do all of the number of participant rules apply to all disciplines, even if they rarely or never happen? Do these apply equally to Juniors competing at international competitions, whether they're in enrolled in Junior or Senior competitions? Do any of the Juniors get a bye to Senior Nationals based on placement at Junior Nationals, if they move up?
  33. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    It is my understanding that the current Chair of USFS' Competitions Committee must sign off on this each season because it's not a rule that's published in the USFS rule book.

    AFAIK the time frame is currently not specified in writing, but in the past it's usually been 7 days for international competitions in North America/Europe and ~10 days for competitions in Asia.

    Every year the Team USA skaters and coaches are sent an International Competition Byes document that specifies which internationals (JGP, Sr. B, Senior Grand Prix) give byes through Regionals and Sectionals. Cup of China, Rostelecom Cup, and TEB were the 3 GPs this year that gave byes through Sectionals to Nationals.
  34. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Re-posting this exchange from another thread and replying in this relevant one:
    Yes, see USFS Rulebook rules 2520-2521 quoted above. :)
  35. muffinbiscuit

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    Is Nathan Chen competing at Nationals as a Junior or Senior? I thought yo had to move up if you win at a certain level?
  36. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Junior.

    No, it's not a rule. 2012 U.S. dance champs Alexandra Aldridge/Daniel Eaton are also staying Junior in the U.S. this season. Nathan Chen won consecutive Novice titles in 2010 & 2011.

    My unofficial list of 2013 Nationals qualifiers and skaters with known byes: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/nationals/
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Here's USFS' official list of 2013 Nationals qualifiers, by name and club, from Juvenile to Senior: http://www.usfsa.org/content/events/201213/US Champs/qualifiers.pdf

    To summarize all the byes to 2013 Nationals, Novice to Senior:

    Senior Men (10): Abbott, Rippon, Miner, Mahbanoozadeh, Razzano; Dornbush, Weir, Brown, Farris, Lysacek

    Senior Ladies (10): Wagner, Czisny, Zawadzki, Zhang, Gao; Nagasu, Gold, Wang, Miller, Keiser

    Senior Pairs (7): Denney/Coughlin, Donlan/Speroff, Castelli/Shnapir; Vise/Baldwin, Davis/Ladwig, Yankowskas/Reagan, H. Denney/Frazier

    Senior Dance (7): Davis/White, Shibutanis, M. Hubbell/Donohue, Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt, Chock/Bates; Olson/K. Hubbell, Taylor Tran/Sam Kaplun (they skated an exhibition at Pacs)

    Junior Dance (1): Aldridge/Eaton
    Junior Pairs (1): Simpson/Blackmer (due to 4 or fewer teams registered at Mids)
    Novice Pairs (1): Lianna Thomas/David Botero (due to 4 or fewer teams registered at Pacs)

    ETA: There were also 2 byes in Intermediate Pairs at Mids:
    Annaliyse Bowden (Dallas FSC)/Johnathon Chang (Dallas FSC) -
    Reaghn Yack (Silver Blades FSC Inc. of Greater KC)/Kristofer Ogren (Kansas City FSC)
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  38. Skittl1321

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    This is probably the block of rules you are thinking of:

    So if you are below novice and go to junior nats, you do have to move up if you want to compete again. If you are at regular nats, it sounds like you just get a bye through regions.

    I do think that rule used to exist for novice-junior though.
  39. Sylvia

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    Thanks for clarifying about juvenile/intermediate... it's nice to see someone else quoting the rule book for a change! ;)
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  40. gkelly

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    They'll have to change the wording after this year, since juveniles and intermediates will be going to regular Nationals and not the Junior Nationals from now on.

    Probably they will continue to require the national winners at those levels to move up, in which case Skittl1321's paraphrase would not be accurate. We shall see...