Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by ~tapdancer~, Mar 10, 2013.
Sylvia, you are a MACHINE! I don't know how you keep up with all this. It's amazing!
Grand Prix assignments are as follows (7 teams, 11 slots):
Skate America: Castelli/Shnapir, Denney/Coughlin, TBA
Skate Canada: Davis/Brubaker
Cup of China: Scimeca/Knierim, Zhang/Bartholomay
NHK: Castelli/Shnapir, Denney/Frazier
Rostelecom Cup: Scimeca/Knierim, Simpson/Blackmer
Full GP rosters are posted here: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?88272-Grand-Prix-Assignments-2013-14-Olympic-Season
I've been given permission to confirm that Jennings/Dolkiewicz [N9] did split and that Cody will be skating with Gabriella Marvaldi (the daughter of Rocky Marval and Isabelle Brasseur ) -- they plan to compete at the Novice level this season. I believe she may have outgrown (hearsay info) her previous partner, Kyle Hogeboom, with whom she won the U.S. Juvenile Pairs title 2 years ago and the Intermediate bronze in Omaha.
I hope Z/B, D/B or D/F get a 2nd slot, perhaps the TBA slot at SA. Are S/B really ranked high enough to garner a GP assignment?
Britney Simpson/Matt Blackmer received 1 GP because they ended up #24 in the ISU World Standings rankings (after the split pair of Takahashi/Tran were removed at the end of this past season). ETA trivia: Simpson competed in the 2010 GPs in Canada & Russia with her former partner, Nathan Miller.
ISU SB list: Zhang/Bartholomay #15 (167.30), Denney/Frazier 22 (155.83), Simpson/Blackmer 36 (133.05), Calalang/Sidhu 37 (133.01; both Jessica & Zack have passed their USFS Senior Pairs test).
Thanks, Sylvia. I would imagine that Z/B might be high on the replacement list if there are WD's
Re-posting this relevant excerpt from the Grand Prix Assignments thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...ympic-Season&p=3934141&viewfull=1#post3934141
Baga, Toth will 'Be Italian' at USFS pairs camp [this weekend in Fort Wayne, Indiana]: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130605&content_id=49681246&vkey=ice_news
I'd be very happy to see them in Salt Lake in September. That competition was a good luck competition for several of the skaters last year.
Didn't know that the S/B assignment was provisional. Seems strange, then, that they've been assigned 'provisionally', and if the Russian Fed. wanted an American team, there are 2 eligible US teams well in front of S/B whose attendance at Rostelecom would appear to have no scheduling conflict.
Otherwise, the Summer competition seasons will be quite interesting. My bet is D/B first and foremost will compete where they can to get some credibility and possibly the TBA slot at SA. Ditto for Z/B and D/F. D/S will probably want some Summer comps, too in order to reestablish themselves as a credible alternative.
Then, there are the Senior B International competitions next season. Given the fact that US pairs could be on the uptick (on paper anyway), it would be wise for the USFSA to take advantage of as many of those Senior B's as possible, to get as many US teams as possible out there in front of International judges.
Very excited to be all fangirly tomorrow in monitoring (ice monitor, not like USFS monitoring--ie, I get everyone on and off the ice and make sure they're all present prior to warmup) the pairs SPs. I will try to restrain myself and behave in a professional manner. And share impressions later.
Anyone hear anything new about Denney/Coughlin. They were supposed to skate in the show in Oakland on June 2, but did not appear. Just wondering if there is anything wrong with John, or perhaps the program wasn't ready.
I heard that Coughlin is fine and D/C currently are focusing on preparing for the competition season.
New article on the Florida Senior pair teams of Tarah Kayne/Danny O'Shea and Felicia Zhang/Nate Bartholomay: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130606&content_id=49817110&vkey=ice_news
Simpson/Blackmer were guaranteed a spot because they were Top 24 in WS. (They were in 24th.) They had to get one before Zhang/Bartholomay or Denney Frazier were assigned a second. (The other US teams above them either have two or split.)
I spoke too soon -- the GP preview says that the skaters need to meet the GP minimum score (based on total score) OR the (new) GP minimum technical score, which Eislauffan wrote in the GP Assignment thread will be documented in this year's GP announcement, when it's released.
The ISU published the GP minimum scores, but not the GP minimum technical scores. It's possible that S/B have met the new GP minimum technical scores.
The I/WSA FSC is unfortunately canceling Indy Challenge this year.
^Wow. Sad about Indy Challenge being cancelled this year.
And Wow to Z/B for their ambition this year: SBS 3z!
Any word on the FT Wayne Pairs competition?
Well, this won't be the most informative report, as I don't have scores and no names but for the sr pairs. Hung around after the comp for a while but the scores weren't yet released, and they were not announced in the arena after each pair either. Anyway, here goes.
Fangirly moment: Drove into the rink parking lot, and Jim Petersen (yes, he IS that good looking) and Amanda Evora (yes, she IS that beautiful) were working with some younger pairs off-ice in the parking lot. After dropping off some supplies, I headed out for some errands, and when I came back I may have heard Jim bribing a pair $20 for something. Don't know if it was jokingly or not but I know that little bets and financial rewards can work for some skaters.
While the early events were going on, Andrew Speroff was jogging around to warm up. In shorts. And yes, his leg muscles are glorious. Once more we all must petition the ISU to allow--nay, require--men to wear shorts for at least one program in competition.
I was monitoring (getting skaters on and off the ice) so I couldn't take notes or guess spin levels or anything like that.
There were 6 novice teams competing. I knew only the Ft Wayne pair. Most pairs did remarkably well considering some were moving up from Int, I know of at least one injury, and it's early in the season. Surprisingly few falls, some wobbly lifts, and one death spiral where the hips did not get down, alas. And a couple of programs that ended early.
Only 1 intermediate team competed. Not sure how long they have been together but it seemed like a difficult phase currently; he was certainly tall enough for her but very, very skinny. I'm guessing the boy had a recent growth spurt and the rest of the body hasn't caught up in terms of strength/bulk.
Only 1 junior team, sorry I can't recall names. Definitely a big jump up from the novice & int pairs in terms of just how sure they were on the ice and presentation. The boy in the pair was pretty burly and I gasped when he did a one-arm lift of the gal (she was in front of him facing him, he lifted her up and around so she was then facing in his direction) like it was a walk in the park. Their coach was some Russian-speaking guy (was speaking with our Russian-speaking skating director and with the pair boy in Russian as well).
While the three senior teams competing were waiting their turn, Zhang and Bartholomay waltzed in. May I just say how many gorgeous people there are in skating? (Bobby Martin--coach of Baga/Toth and Donlan/Speroff) is also pretty darned good looking.)
Competing were Tarah Kayne/Danny O'Shea, Kiri Baga/Taylor Toth, and Gretchen Donlan/Andrew Speroff. Kayne/O'Shea were the only pair to have costumes (he in a James Bond tux, she in a black sparkly number); the others simply wore practice clothes.
Kayne/O'Shea really hammed it up with their James Bond SP. He fell on the SBS jumps and she popped the throw loop into a single; all other elements were done fine (do NOT expect me to guess levels). Baga/Toth skated to some sassy musical (now I see Ice Network has the info here). You'd never think she's been doing pairs for just over a year. Donlan/Speroff skated a beautiful program to Meditation from Thais; he fell on the SBS jumps but she landed hers (may have been UR?). As a violinist I (naturally) have a quibble with the editing of the music but my guess is that 99% of people won't notice the cuts. [ETA: Sorry, I got it wrong--it was Toth who fell on the jumps, NOT Speroff.]
If I had to guess I'd say Donlan/Speroff won this SP, just based on the better presentation quality vs Baga/Toth, but Baga/Toth were certainly no slouches, nor were Kayne/O'Shea. Also I think Baga/Toth *may* have done a 2twist and D/S a 3twist but don't quote me on that.
Afterward all the pairs & judges/officials went upstairs for one-on-one feedback sessions so nope, no fangirly pictures to share.
Hopefully someone else will have scores tomorrow. The competition continues tomorrow with long programs in the morning, and then there's camp the rest of the weekend. MAJOR props to Alena Lunin, our skating director (and coach of a novice pair). She has worked her BUTT off to make this happen and I hope all the pairs have a great weekend!
Thanks for the report, LilJen! All I know at this time is that the Senior SP placement order was Donlan/Speroff, Baga/Toth, Kayne/O'Shea.
Based on your description, the Junior pair sounds like Kaitlin Budd/Nikita Cheban (N2 at Nationals), who are coached by Sergey Petrovskiy in the Detroit area (his wife is the choreographer Olga Volozhinskaya).
The 6 Novice pairs are: Grace Knoop/Noah Chinault N6, Madeleine Gallagher/Jonathon Horton N8, Alicia Bertsch/Austin Hale Int1 (Ft. Wayne pair coached by Alena Lunin), Darbie Burke/Griffin Schwab Int2, Linde LaChance/Kenneth Anderson, Cirinia Gillett/Maximiliano Fernandez (new team).
The Intermediate pair should be Cate Hawkins/Eric Hartley from the Cincinnati area.
ETA: If I find out (or anyone else knows) Senior SP scores, Novice or other results, please post.
Oh what I wouldn't give to see Donlan/Speroff get some sbs jumps...
Hi Lil Jen
Are you sure about Donlan and Speroff? I spoke with someone this evening who was at the competition and here is the report got
Donlan and Speroff landed their sbs 3toes and placed first with 56 points.
Baga and Toth , he fell on jump and they scored 46 points and Kayne and O'Shea scored 43 points. Was so happy to hear that D/S landed their triples jumps clean, hope my information was not wrong.
Found Donlan/Speroff's SP on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmI2cgOQ7-s
The sbs jump was landed, but the unison was off and hers looks possibly ur. Gorgeous program.
This user has uploaded all three SPs: http://www.youtube.com/user/sg0507?feature=watch
Hippychick, you're right--sorry, I was speaking from memory. It was the other two guys who fell on the SBS jumps.
I find it really encouraging that D/S landed all their stuff.
I watched all 3 performances.
It's nice to see D/S land the SBS jumps but obviously time will show if it's a newfound consistency. She had a step-out of the Throw 3S. D/B had a score of 54 at a local competition earlier, so this is possibly a nice set-up for a rivalry between the 2 teams, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
They didn't perform well, but I like K/O, and I excuse their performance because it is June. They probably just had an off-night. I find them comfortable, confident and dynamic. I hope to see good things from them.
B/T were probably the weakest of the 3 teams in terms of skating skills but they are coming along nicely. I'm not sure if it matters, but I'd like to see Kiri concentrate solely on pairs.
@LynnRutherford has tweeted scores: "Gretchen Donlan/Andrew Speroff 56.95, Kiri Baga/Taylor Toth 46.61, Tarah Kayne/Danny O'Shea 46.50"
Baga/Toth's "Be Italian" (choreo by Rohene Ward): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTikyNV6QGo
Kayne/O'Shea's James Bond medley incl. "From Russia with Love" (choreo by Jim Peterson): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-7o0cL7M_k
ETA #2 (cross-posted in the U.S. Club Competitions thread in Kiss and Cry):
Novice Pairs SP scores from yesterday:
1. Knoop/Chinault 31.40
2. Bertsch/Hale 28.65
3. Gillett/Fernandez 28.44
4. Gallagher/Horton 28.09
5. Burke/Schwab 24.56
6. LaChance/Anderson 24.11
I'd say this was actually probably De La Mora/ Wilson ??
Does Taylor speak Russian? I know they're in Fort Wayne for the camp. Only 2 Junior pairs registered for this comp. -- Budd/Cheban and Aya Takai/Brian Johnson, both of whom are JGP candidates.
^^ Must be Budd/Cheban then. I'm very surprised none of the Indiana teams did this competition (Zaitsev/Stevens & Leng/Leduc)
Yes, those are the names. One detail I forgot to include was on Darbie Burke--she's tiny and can't be more than 10, maybe?? Anyway, she had the BIGGEST grin on her face while in a press lift. Looked like she was having the time of her life! It was fun to watch.
Takai/Johnson withdrew. It was indeed Budd/Cheban who competed jr.
Lazy Sunday Afternoon
Best US international scores in the last quadrennial since the Fall of 2010 for those teams still together (I did add teams very recently split for some extra context) :
1. Denney/Coughlin - 185.42 (2012 4CC's)
- Marley/Brubaker - 178.89 (2012 4CC's)
2. Castelli/Shnapir - 174.86 (2012 Ice Challenge)
3. Scimeca/Knierim - 173.51 (2013 Worlds)
4. Kayne/O'Shea - 167.82 (2013 Challenge Cup)
5. Zhang/Bartholomay - 167.30 (2013 4CC's)
6. Denney/Frazier - 155.83 (2013 Jr. Worlds)
- Vise/Baldwin - 155.42 (2011 SA)
7. Leng/LeDuc - 148.56 (2013 Challenge Cup)
8. Baga/Toth - 146.50 (2013 Challenge Cup)
9. Simpson/Blackmer - 146.35 (2011-12 JGPF)
10.Donlan/Speroff - 145.35 (2012 Nebelhorn)
- Davis/Ladwig - 143.70 (2012 NHK)
11.Calalang/Sidhu - 139.32 (2011 JGP Tallinn)
- Cain/Reagan - 138.02 (2011 Cup of Russia)
Davis/Brubaker - I have a feeling if Marley / Brubaker have scored 178 pts., D/B have the potential to go higher (but see comment below re 2012 4CC's).
Bereswill/Reagan - IDK. Will have to see them perform, but I don't think Becky is as reliable as Ashley Cain normally, and if C/R were scoring 138 pts. internationally, don't know where this will go ...
Comments: Didn't realize that D/C had such a high score. But, I think the 2012 4CC competition scoring was a little inflated. Sui/Han scored over 200 pts. Ditto M/B regarding that score; C/S are #2 but S/K are right behind them and actually beat them at 2013 Worlds despite being together only 1 year. I also didn't realize that K/O actually have the 4th highest score among US pairs internationally after also only being together 1 year, although Z/B score is right behind theirs and came at a more prestigious competition. There is more space between Z/B - K/O and D/F than I thought. L/L and B/T are making decent progress internationally. Wow. D/S really underperform internationally. Only 10th among the scores? They could be pushed down further if the new teams do well.
^^^ Duarte/Grafton split last season (ETA: she retired and he's no longer listed on IPS).
I don't think Senior B scores are always comparable to scores at GP, ISU Championships, etc. Denney/Coughlin's consistency in their internationals has been their main strength -- 179.21 (2012 Rostelecom Cup, 3rd) and 178.22 (2012 Skate America, 3rd), for example.
Castelli/Shnapir's ISU personal best total score is 174.51 at 2012 NHK Trophy (3rd). They attended the camp in Fort Wayne this weekend but I haven't seen any photos of them yet. The camp's team-building event was won by Tarah Kayne, Taylor Toth & Taylor Wilson: http://instagram.com/p/aUMS0xlYZT/
I've updated my Pairs Scoretracker with the scores I've received from Fort Wayne so far (missing Junior SP exh., Int. SP/FS exh.): http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/scoretracker/2012-2013-pairs-scores/
Zhang/Bartholomay will make their season debut in a club competition in Fort Meyers, Florida later this month as a warmup to Skate Detroit. Kayne/O'Shea are also scheduled to compete, along with CAN's Paige Lawrence/Rudi Swiegers and GBR's Kemp/King (SP only).
I like all three sp music choices for these couples (Baga/ Toth; Kayne/ O'Shea; Donlan/ Speroff)!
Sylvia. I removed D/G. I realize all of the above, but I just thought I'd throw out the list for fun to see what each is capable of.
And I'm fine with it. I guess the main point is that Donlan/Speroff have yet to show what they can do internationally - hope they can this season!
ETA: I believe D/S will compete next in their home club comp., Boston Open, later this month where they plan to debut their Nutcracker/Pas de Deux FS.
Best of luck to Kylie and Colin!
Donlan and Speroff did not have one good skate internationally last season, so I don't think their scores from last year are at all indicative of what they might be if they skated even as well as they did this weekend. IIRC they did not get credit for their death spiral and struggled in jumps at every competition. Hopefully they have used their off season wisely to address those issues. Would live to see what they would score with clean programs.
^What summer competitions are available for US pairs?
Indy Challenge (cancelled)
Skate Detroit (MI)
Cranberry Open (MA)
Liberty Open (PA?)
Glacier Falls (?)
The ones usually attended by Sr/Jr international teams:
June: Boston Open, Summer Chiller (Ft. Meyers, FL mentioned above in post #192), Broadmoor Open (some CO pairs may debut a SP and/or FS here)
July: LA Open (Calif. pairs?), Liberty (very few pairs expected this year/main coaches are bypassing), Skate Detroit (THE main comp. in the U.S. this summer with USA & CAN teams)
August: Colorado Championships (CO pairs), Glacier Falls (Calif. pairs?), Cranberry Open (Boston pairs)
*Champs Camp is week of Aug. 19-25 for the Grand Prix skaters.
September: Golden West near LA on Labor Day weekend, Middle Atlantics in NYC, SW Florida Fall Classic (home rink of Ellenton, FL pairs)
From the end of the June 6th pairs article on IceNetwork (refer to post #173 for link):
The Montreal comp. is Championnats québécois d'été, Aug. 8-11, 2013 (see the Canadian Summer Competitions thread in Kiss and Cry).
Fort Wayne Hosts National Figure Skating Camp (local article and video): http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/n...s-National-Figure-Skating-Camp-210763501.html
Here's another local article and short video about the pairs camp: http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130610/LOCAL/306109972
ETA: Also a gallery of 12 photos at the bottom of the article: http://www.jgmobile.net/apps/pbcs.d...UT04&ArtNo=609009999&Ref=PH&template=mgallery
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