US Pairs 2013 News and Updates Part II

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  1. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

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    Just an update for Madeline Aaron & Max Settlage's Fans like myself, they finished 4th in their second JGP event and therefore just missed getting into the JGP Final. Alas, they are 1st Alternates though, Yeah! :cool:

    And here's my post from the K&C (copied & pasted) in regards to their wonderful FS:


    Beautiful beautiful nice clean skate ~ nice 3twist (still need to be bigger & higher), big throw-3R, managed to do sbs 3Salchows (though Max 2footed & UR his), gorgeous throw-3S, and my favorite part sbs 2axels-steps-into-Tano 2Rs. :cool: And all with their usual balletic elegance and effervescence. :smokin:

    I love it, I could honestly watch these two all day, and cannot wait until they enter seniors next year. Though it's smart to stay in juniors and work on their consistency and elements, et al. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWobjZwj9hI
     
  2. toddlj

    toddlj The sort of fan who gets up at 3am to watch

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    No, sadly, the rules say only the WINNER of the event can be added to the alternate list.
     
  3. LilJen

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    Well, Kayne/O'Shea are new to the international scene. In deference to the American pairs habit of partners not sticking together, D/B got in under the "split pairs" provision and due to Brubaker's success with Marley the last couple seasons.
     
  4. hippychick

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    Donlan and Speroff also have not gotten a GP assignment and they won Nepala Trophy.
    They finished ahead of Denney and Frazier there and had a higher score than Davis and Brubaker did at Nebelhorn. I know that it has something to do with ISU rules, but it is dissapointing that these teams can't event get one GP before all these other teams get two.

    I also am not a big fan of the split couple rule, it seems to me that someone who is on the
    grand prix with one partner can split up and also automatically get a GP assignment with their next partner, it hardly seems fair to those teams who stick together. I would rather see any new team have to fight for a spot, not have it handed to them. JMO.

    Just because a skater was in one good partnership does not automatically mean that they are
    GP calibre automatically with there next partner. It really does a disservice to other teams.
     
  5. olympic

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    I think with all of D/C, S/K, C/S, Z/B, D/B and D/F getting 2 GP assignments + 1 Pre-season B, and L/L , C/S (Calalang/Sidhu) being assigned to Coupe International de Nice at the end of October, it's quite possible that D/S and K/O might get a 2nd Senior B @ Ice Challenge as (1) a consolation prize; and (2) an opportunity from the USFSA to further test their improvements in front of International judges.

    With S/B out for the Fall and B/T having split, there are really no other Senior US pair teams to assign, are there? I think they could both get Ice Challenge by default.

    The only other team I can think of is B/R, but they were pretty subpar at Skate Detroit and I haven't seen / heard from them since. Any news on them?
     
  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    My hearsay info is that Bereswill/Reagan have split, and Becky is taking this season off from competing in singles to focus on college full-time (Univ. of Michigan).

    ETA:
    Jessica Pfund/A.J. Reiss, who are listed in the ISP, debuted their Senior programs at Skate St. Moritz last month (48.68 SP, 79.28 FS, 127.96 total). He was injured and off the ice for a while this past summer.
     
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  7. olympic

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    Thanks for the info. It really looks like K/O and D/S could get another Senior B (unless Calalang/Sidhu or L/L really do well in Nice)

    Too bad for B/R. But Josh Reagan has gone through 3 partners in 3 years. Something is starting to smell a little fishy here ...

    ETA - I saw your note re P/R. They are a team w/ some nice qualities but not sure their history is enough to qualify for an international assignment unless the USFSA just wants to share the wealth and mix it up a bit ...
     
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  8. kwanfan1818

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    The hosts do make the choices, but they may have conversations/deals with the other hosts.

    Kayne/O'Shea only qualify for a host pick, and USFS had other priorities. Unless they place high enough to earn a spot at championships and earn a PB high enough to be guaranteed one on their own or be high enough to be eligible from the alternates list, they will be at the mercy of USFS selection policy. It's a good thing that in this Olympic year, USFS has decided that the Olympic team will not go to 4C's, which leaves three spots open for lower-ranked skaters at championships.

    Winners of the early listed Senior B's go to the bottom of the alternates list; if winning Nepala were D/S's only claim, they'd be eight-ten Pairs -- and up to 18 selections -- away from being eligible for moving into the Top Five, which doesn't guarantee a selection. For example, there have been three substitutions so far, with K/S's TEB spot still TBA, and Martiusheva/Rogonov -- the highest ranked (PB 18) and the only team besides Denney/Frazier in the Top 24 SB in the Top Five, and eligible for selection to sub for K/S -- are still waiting. Donlan/Speroff, by virtue of having made the GP TES minimum for SP at Nepala, combined with their SB #36, are three or four couples -- or up to six selections -- away from being in the Top Five and eligible for an invitation.

    Like last year, the split couples only are in the Top Five and don't, like in 2011-12, get picked first for a second GP before anyone on the PB list, unless choosing them breaks a rule (already there, crazy travel, visa issues, too many from the country, etc.). So far this year, Purdy/Marinaro got a second before any split couple, and Purich/Tran are still waiting. They didn't qualify for either of K/S's picks -- they're at TEB already and Canada already has three at SC -- but they could have been chosen for SA ahead of P/M.

    Just because a skater was in one partnership doesn't automatically mean the new partnership is GP caliber automatically, but sometimes they are, and the ISU is assuming they'll quickly get up to speed or won't -- in which case they'll be low on the SB list -- and will be dropped nationally. Purich/Tran's score at Nebelhorn was within 4.04 points of Donlan/Speroff's at Ondrej Nepala, and P/T skated in a larger field at Nebelhorn, with V/T skating, and Nebelhorn was more highly visible as an Olympic qualifier. If D/S are GP caliber -- and they didn't even make the GP Total Minimum at their ISU event last season -- then so are P/T, a split couple, and they look competitive for the third Olympic spot in Canada.
     
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  9. johndockley92

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    Well, I have a feeling that K/O will be at 4CC and have a chance to prove themselves against tough competition.
     
  10. jlmart

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    Weren't K/S for NHK not TEB? Which would make P/T eligible if they wanted to make the fast hop?
     
  11. icellist

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    I'm sorry. There's so many pairs nationally and internationally now. Can we stop with the <Last initial>/<Last initial> format and go with first two letters of last name?
     
  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Good luck with that! ;) (I spell out the full names of the teams when I can.)

    I assume jlmart is referring to the non-USA pairs of Kavaguti/Smirnov and Pang/Tong Purich/Tran (ETA: not Pang/Tong as I first thought!), and they are more relevant to the GP Assignments discussion thread so I've re-posted there: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...ympic-Season&p=4015950&viewfull=1#post4015950
     
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  13. A.H.Black

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    As I said several pages ago - I appreciate it when posters take the trouble to give complete names. When initials are given, I don't read the post. I know I'm not so important a reader, but there are several readers like me. If you want us to read your posts, please take the extra time and trouble to use names, rather than initials. Thanks to those who do - Sylvia, Kwanfan, hippychick, and Liljen are recent examples.
     
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    I try to remember to use the last names in full the first time in a post, but after that, or in response to a quote, I tend to use the initials.
     
  15. jlmart

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    Sorry about the last name/initial problem (lesson learned) as well as posting in the wrong thread. I actually thought I was IN the GP Assignments thread and couldn't understand when I went back later why my post didn't show up!
     
  16. NadineWhite

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    *HEADS UP*:


    FSU member sykr posted some absolute gorgeous pics of the Ondrej Nepela Pairs FS competition over in the K&C, including the medal ceremoney, Yeah! :cheer2: Was looking everywhere for some video coverage of it but couldn't find any, but alas sykr provided beautiful coverage with his/her pics. :cool: *note: Gretchen Donlan has bangs now!* :eek:
     
  17. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Re-posting this link from the 2013 Skate America forum in Kiss & Cry - audio from last week's media teleconference: Castelli/Shnapir (13:27).
     
  18. NadineWhite

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    OMG reading the practice thread over in the K&C for SKAM is unreal! :eek:

    So much drama and ups & downs and everything in between for the singles skaters, but all the pairs seemed to have worked hard and are nailing everything. Honestly cannot wait to watch Denney & Coughlin. I recall them like yesterday at last year's SKAM and they are even more phenomenal and powerful to watch live in person. Here's hoping they capture a medal! :hat1:

    ps: and Castelli/Schnapir were just as marvelous in person as well, though they are not scheduled to arrive at SKAM until tomorrow. :)
     
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    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Live stream of Cup of Nice: http://www.nice-baie-des-anges.fr/nicecup

    Senior Pairs SP start order/results will be updated after the event is over): http://nice-baie-des-anges.fr/images/stories/docs-coupe/resultats2013/SEG007.HTM

    This is the senior international debut for Calalang/Sidhu (#3 in SP start order) and the second international for Leng/LeDuc (#4)

    ETA:
    I've started a new thread in GSD: New GBR pair: Caitlin Yankowskas & Hamish Gaman

    Donlan/Speroff (gold at Nepela Trophy) and Kayne/O'Shea (silver in SLC) are the 2 U.S. entries for Ice Challenge.

    Davis/Brubaker and H. Denney/Frazier have their Senior Grand Prix team debuts this afternoon at Skate Canada in Saint John, NB.
     
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  21. NadineWhite

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    Thanks, Sylvia, for the info. about Donlan & Speroff. :)

    Looks to be a nice competition with 7 pairs, but honestly I'm excited to see how Caitlin & her new partner do! :rollin:

    ps: off-topic but noticed Courtney Hicks is skating here as well, an extra bonus. :)^)
     
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Still waiting for the official results to be published online.

    From the Cup of Nice thread in Kiss and Cry:
    Music was "The Feeling Begins" and I'm pretty sure it was a double twist. Score unknown.

    Pairs FS is scheduled for Sunday, Oct. 27 16:00 local start time (is there a time change in France this weekend?).
     
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  23. NadineWhite

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    I'm getting worried about Davis & Brubaker being overtaken by the younger teams, including Denney & Frazier, which they just did at SC...

    There are so many good American pair teams and only 2 spots for the Olympics. And imho Denney & Coughlin have their names automatically on one. The other is up for grabs to the team that skates lights out, which could be any one of them, even D&B at Nationals. :cool:
     
  24. Sylvia

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    Cup of Nice Pairs FS is going on now - live stream link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14gq6c_nice-figure-skating-cup-2013-live_sport
    Skating in the final group (in reverse order of the SP) are Leng/LeDuc 57.95 (1st), Calalang/Sidhu 51.94 (3rd).

    Senior international scores so far this season:

    188.47 Denney/Coughlin (61.66 SP, 126.81 FS; Salt Lake, 2nd)
    182.43 Denney/Coughlin (62.06 SP, 120.37 FS; Skate America, 4th)
    177.11 Castelli/Shnapir (62.56 SP, 114.55 FS; Skate America, 6th)
    168.42 Zhang/Bartholomay (55.83 SP, 112.59 FS; Skate America, 7th)
    167.27 Kayne/O'Shea (60.31 SP, 106.96 FS; Salt Lake, 3rd)
    165.91 Castelli/Shnapir (62.26 SP, 103.65 FS; Salt Lake, 4th)
    160.19 Donlan/Speroff (56.63 SP, 103.56 FS; Nepela, 1st)
    158.82 Denney/Frazier (55.01 SP, 103.82 FS; Skate Canada, 5th)
    157.28 Calalang/Sidhu (51.94 SP, 105.34 FS; Coupe de Nice, 2nd)
    156.91 Davis/Brubaker (54.04 SP, 102.87 FS; Nebelhorn, 5th)
    153.71 Davis/Brubaker (52.69 SP, 101.02 FS; Skate Canada, 6th)
    153.34 Scimeca/Knierim (51.17 SP, 102.17 FS; Nepela, 3rd)
    142.48 Denney/Frazier (48.71 SP, 93.77 FS; Nepela, 4th)
    141.01 Leng/LeDuc (57.95 SP, 83.06 FS; Coupe de Nice, 6th)
    130.20 Zhang/Bartholomay (50.23 SP, 79.97 FS; Salt Lake, 7th)

    Events to come:
    Cup of China: Scimeca/Knierim, Zhang/Bartholomay
    NHK Trophy: Castelli/Shnapir, Denney/Frazier
    TEB: Denney/Coughlin
    Rostelecom Cup: Davis/Brubaker, Scimeca/Knierim
    Ice Challenge, Graz, Austria (Senior B): Donlan/Speroff, Kayne/O'Shea

    ETA Cup of Nice final scores above.
     
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  25. bek

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    Honestly, I'm not sure how the word overtaken can be used in this circumstances. A lot of the younger teams have been together longer...
     
  26. NadineWhite

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    Lol, I'm thinking of Rockne in particular; he's been out there longer competing and winning than the rest of those younger teams. :D Verdad!
     
  27. bek

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    But Pairs skating is a team sport...
     
  28. Spiralgraph

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    I agree, much as I like Rockne, he's a pair skater he has to build a good foundation with Davis and that takes time. Frankly if Davis/Brubaker zoomed to the top immediately that would mean the rest of the American skaters are um crap. And that's not true anymore. We have more depth now, thank goodness.
     
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    I still think if S/K get it together they are the biggest threat to D/C. They did not win their first competition of the year which should have been a walk in the park for them but it was obvious his injury set them back a bit. But they have it all technically and artistically which D/C lack.
     
  30. blue_idealist

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    I'm not sure if D/C are a shoe-in for the Olympics. Castelli/Shnapir did beat them in the SP at Skate America, and weren't that far behind in the free. If C/S and S/K both are at their best, and D/C falter, C/S and S/K could be the two teams chosen..
     
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