US Pairs 2012-13 news & updates

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, May 4, 2012.

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  1. legjumper

    legjumper Active Member

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    There's nothing wrong with working on elements that make you more competitive. I just don't see many teams attempting throw jumps that hard, that late in a program, and have regular success with the element. I don't want to see this element turned into a Hail Mary,especially when the team hasn't proved it's a no-brainer element for them.
     
  2. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah fair enough, they even wore their practice outfits after all.

    In terms of their posture, lines, unison, pair elements, etc. they definitely do look improved and I guess the program has potential if they add some more detail to it.
     
  3. aftershocks

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    But they haven't performed it yet in competition, so trying it out in exhibition during the offseason means just that at this point ... trying it out and seeing how it feels and whether they might eventually be comfortable attempting it in competition, or perhaps moving the jump to earlier in the program. I really haven't been keeping tabs, but I believe it is Savchenko/ Solkowy who in the CoP era were the first to attempt a difficult throw jump (3flip, I believe) as the last element in their fp? Correct me if I'm wrong. S/S as I recall from memory have had a great deal of success performing that final difficult throw, altho' once again I haven't checked their stats re consistency landing that jump as a final element. Kudos to Mary Beth and Rockne for mixing things up (going for a throw 3lutz) -- they are showing that they are hungry and planning to be competitive.

    ETA:

    I doubt that Jenni and Todd are going to coach Mary Beth and Rockne to do anything as a "Hail Mary." And neither do they have to make "Hail Mary" efforts in any case. They are just simply that talented, and with hard work and the right decisions combined with other intangibles, including luck but mainly their hard work, the possibilities are what dreams are made of ... GO Marley/ Brubaker!

    Thanks Ziggy for pointing out that the difficult jump S/S perform at the end of programs is the 3Salchow, and with great success.
     
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  4. Ziggy

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    Savchenko/Szolkowy have been performing throw 3salchow as the last element in their program for a number of seasons now.
     
  5. olympic

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    Something in regards to POTO? Do tell :watch:
     
  6. Ziggy

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    Something in regards to walking over the ice hunched, I bet. :p
     
  7. legjumper

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    Don't know anything, other than that this is FSU, where D/C have received such a warm reception. :lol:

    (I'm attending An Evening on Ice on Saturday, though, so I'm hoping they'll skate a new program rather than an exhib.)
     
  8. shan

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    Me too!! I'm so excited to see their new sp to Lady Caliph. :cheer:
     
  9. BittyBug

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    It's pretty bold of them to pick a piece that is so associated with Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze, but I think D&S can do the music justice. I look forward to seeing their program.
     
  10. hlp728

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    Agree. I love them even more after reading that and their personal info. They seem to have a wonderfull skating relationship. Interesting that Tanith helped choreograph their short program.
     
  11. Ziggy

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    I really hope that they can get consistent on their jumps this season. Their lines and their presentation in general are really stunning and they stand out from the crowd (plus, he's :swoon:).
     
  12. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    OMG, I can't wait to see this. Lady Caliph is gorgeous music and should really suit their stunning qualities.

    I hope her jumps have improved.

    I honestly believe that aside from the sbs jumps, Donlan & Speroff are the finest American pair, by far.
     
  13. carriemarie

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    Liberty: Zhang/Bartholomay very strong in winning short- big 3 twist, 3 toes (she step out), and huge 3 lutz throw. Better transitions and speed and are relating well to each other in program. 49. score seemed low although it was 9 points ahead of closest team
     
  14. olympic

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    Sounds great for them! I'm also happy that she was able to do triples

    Also surprised that this program would only get 49 pts. nationally. Maybe she had a severe UR or something on the SBS 3toe?
     
  15. Jenna

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    It could just be chalked up to low levels. This is pretty common in the early part of the season with all the rule changes.
     
  16. Subway

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    Came into this thread landing on just your post and one above and thought you had to be talking about Donlan & Speroff. I hope her sbs jumps improve too; I so want them to break out. They're a gorgeous team, just need to back and fill in some areas. Others are already brilliant. I don't worry about element security with them so much as injury. Injuries to both held them back.

    Yanakowskas and Reagan look very sexy together with really nice natural grace. At this stage they seem slow and he seems tentative, but solid in what he does do, if that makes sense.
     
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  17. carriemarie

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    Liberty Senior Longs:

    Zhang/Bartholomay: 3 twist, 3 toes, 2 axel- 2 axel series, 3 sal throw, 3 lutz throw, nice carry lift at end of program- solid elements with improved speed, a clean long program in July. Impressive.

    Kemp/King: 3 twist messy, nice lifts, 3 loop throw, 3 flip throw step out, not much for jumps but a good program for them.

    Duarte/Grafton: 3 toe-2 toe not bad but he doesn't do 2 toe, 2 twist, miss both throws, second jump pass and a lift comes down...ouch.
     
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  18. Rochelle

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    Skater groups are posted for Skate Detroit (next weekend), and a relatively solid turn out for the pairs:
    http://evt.sk8stuff.com/lister_event_detail.asp?id=4475


    Yankowskas/Reagan are listed for both Senior SP & FS -- their competitive debut. Is this the competitive debut for Baga & Toth as well? I noticed Kiri is also entered in the Senior ladies events.

    Senior Pairs entered (All 7 teams entered in SP & FS):
    Baga & Toth **
    Denney & Frazier
    Moore-Towers & Moscovitch -- CAN **
    Purdy & Marianaro -- CAN **
    Scimeca & Knierim
    Steele & Schultz -- CAN **
    Yankowskas/Reagan

    Junior Pairs entered (All 11 teams entered in SP & FS):
    Aaron & Settlage
    Bell & Sylvester -- CAN
    Calalang & Sidhu
    Conway & Sherriff-Clayton -- CAN **
    Jones & Beharry -- CAN **
    Liu & Perini
    Oltmanns & Santillan **
    Orr & Furiano -- CAN **
    Rau & Simpson -- CAN **
    Simpson & Blackmer
    Zaitsev & Stevens **

    **= entered in Indy Challenge the following weekend (Aug. 3-5)
     
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  19. stjeaskategym

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    Baga and Toth are competing already? I feel like they just formed! Hopefully Baga has been able to get a solid pairs foundation. I hope and pray that Donlan/Speroff can somehow jump. Such a beautiful pair, with only one real area of weakness. Such a shame. And do we know why Denney/Coughlin didn't attend the Evening on Ice exhibition? Just trying to get fully caught up on the American pairs scene.

    There's only so much you can do earlier in the program, and you need to try to get as many elements in the bonus as you can. Last year, Marley/Brubaker had the 3 sal throw late in the program and didn't land it all that cleanly, so they may not be sacrificing any cleanliness by putting the throw 3 lutz/flip later instead. They haven't shown a real tendency to land one throw (cleanly) more often than the other in competition. So you might as well put the harder one later, especially since your main American competition always puts their harder throw second, too. And if M/B are really working on a throw 3A, that would certainly replace the first throw if it was ever ok enough to compete.

    I still think they have limited chemistry, but I think the softness of the program can help mask some of that. I find the program pleasant. Marley has the same random little knee bends that detract from her lines, and the lifts aren't all that great, but I think they're an improvement over last year's and hopefully they'll look better later on. I think it's a lot to expect a lot of transitions from them. For example, judging by the double twist they did, it's clear the triple twist still isn't second nature for them, so a transition beforehand may make it substantially harder to get the clean catch they're trying to get.
     
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  20. jdonavan

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    I would bet the farm that there will be a number of withdrawals at this competition namely Baga/Toth and Caitlin/Josh.
     
  21. icelover

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    Hi Rochelle,

    Do you have the list of novice pairs as well?
     
  22. hippychick

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    IIRC Donlan and Speroff were one of the few pair teams who had both of their throws in the second half of their program last year at Nationals and were successful. While they don't do a throw flip or lutz the throws they do are huge and garner them a lot of points. Was looking forward to hearing reports on their progress at Liberty, too bad they withdrew. They seemed to have kept a pretty low profile the last couple of months, at least I have not heard that much about them.

    I hope that the new teams Baga/Toth and Leng/De Luc are willing to take the time to really develope their pair skills and are not banking on strong single skills alone. In most cases it takes several seasons for the unison etc. to develop.

    As for Yankowskas and Reagan, anxious to see what they can do.
     
  23. sammyf

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    Skate Detroit Novice pairs

    Elizabeth Egbers/Jacob Simon
    Sophia Dai/Jeffrey Fishman
    Lianna Thomas/David Botero
    Annabelle & Joel Schneider-Farris
    Elizabeth Swenor/Rocky Swenor CAN
     
  24. Rochelle

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    Steele/Schultz (Sr - CAN) & Conway/Sherriff-Clayton (Jr - CAN) have both withdrawn from Indy Challenge, so it'll be interesting to see if they appear at Skate Detroit. Therefore, I imagine that they will be two of the withdrawing teams from Skate Detroit.
     
  25. Rochelle

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    Amen. Not only for these two teams, but for ALL of the new / nearly new teams -- regardless of whether the new teams are composed of experienced pairs skaters, or those new to pairs.
     
  26. icelover

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    Thanks for the novice list, Sammy!:)
     
  27. jdonavan

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    This is true. Zhang/Bartholomay also had 2 throws in second half last year and according to reports from Liberty, they have hit them again solid. I see this team building a fan base very quickly with their consistency.

    Remember ISU needs a certain amount of points from the technical side to qualify for Worlds, 4CC etc. I would caution too much hope in the Donolan/Speroff jump situation, but they are a lovely couple, I just remember their Summer/Fall competitions from last year.
     
  28. hippychick

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    If Takahashi and Tran can garner enough technical points for Four Continents and Worlds with their jump issues I don't see that Donlan and Speroff would have an issue meeting a miinimum score. They certainly need lots of work on their jumps, but they gain plenty of technical points in other areas. They may just be one of these teams who build throughout each season. There were several teams last season who started out these season strong but did not finish that way.
     
  29. olympic

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    Icenetwork article on Zhang / Bartholomay -

    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120723&content_id=35420712&vkey=ice_news

    snip (details about program):

    I applaud their ambition and drive!

    Oh, and he's all different levels of hot :swoon:

    Here's a 7/20 article from Icenetwork just after the SP. It talks about wanting to do a 3t-3t seq.

    It apparently didn't happen at Liberty, but maybe this will happen later in the season
     
  30. feraina

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    Very impressive from Zhang/Bartholomay!
     
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