US Pairs 2012-13 news & updates

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Denney/Coughlin will not be going to Worlds - re-posting article link from the previous page: http://www.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130214&content_id=41632804&vkey=ice_news
    Here's the official press release confirming that Scimeca/Knierim are going to Worlds with Castelli/Shnapir: http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=48995&type=media
    Denney/Frazier officially have replaced the split team of Davis/Ladwig as third, now second, alternates.
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  2. leafygreens

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    Does this mean D/C were evaluated by a committee and did not pass the evaluation? Or did they voluntarily withdraw?
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    Interesting that Alexa has recoverd so quickly. Also of interest, Z/B score at 4 cc's was higher than S/K at NHK. I would think Z/B should have been looked at a little more closely for Worlds considering they seem to be on a roll and frankly many felt would have been 2nd at Nationals if they had the required tech. score at that point. Oh well good luck teams in London!
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    I personally think that's a smart decision by John Coughlin to pull the plug on this season and get totally healthy for the big Olympic year that's coming up.

    Best of luck to Marisa & Simon and Alexa & Chris at Worlds!
  5. Garden Kitty

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    Very sorry for John and Caydee, but if they don't think they're ready, I'm glad they decided to focus on their health and goals for next season. Best wishes to John and Caydee for a full recovery and great Olympic season and best of luck to Alexa and Chris.
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    It seems rather odd for the writer to lead with C&S's 2012 results, and not their most recent achievements. I would think that for the current champs something like, "Castelli and Shnapir, the reigning U.S. Championships and 2013 Four Continents bronze medalists....." would be more in order.

    I'm not surprised that D&C are out and hope that either S&K or Z&B will be ready. Both teams have the potential to do well.
  7. aftershocks

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    ^^ This. C/S are indeed and should be respected as the current champs and should not be looked upon as just place holders.

    I did think John and Caydee might be ready, but it's a wise decision for them to concentrate on John becoming stronger and them both working toward next season.

    Best of luck to all U.S. pairs, and especially to the teams heading to Worlds. All 3 of the current top teams are looking strong and ready for the experience. It's great to see the continuing improvement of U.S. pairs.
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    Once again, proof that this surgery is a big deal and you don't just bounce back from it.
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    I think they were trying to show that they are on their way up with results that are building.
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    Won't be easy for C/S to make top 10 at worlds but doable. GER, 3RUS, 2CAN, 3CHI (if healthy), ITA, FRA.
    The pressure is on them.
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  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Re-posting these relevant posts from the Scimeca/Knierim cheer thread in the Trash Can:
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    I'm confident that the USA will keep two pair spots for next year's Olympics and worlds. I hope C/S and S/K can skate their best and get some attention and recognition if both teams skate well..But my gosh next year's US nationals will be very unpredictable. With all the pairs that didn't skate this past January, trying to predict who wins or who medals in Boston next year will be very very difficult. And my crystal ball doesn't work this far in advance!
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    I already like S/K more then D/C and i've only seen them a couple times so far but they have more to work with i think. All they need is time and they could become a force.
  15. olympic

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    S/K still beat Z/B at Nationals. In fact, S/K had the highest score in the LP for the competition and when both S/K and Z/B are clean in the SP, S/K is usually close to 60 pts and that's quite a gap over Z/B. So, I think S/K is the best team for Worlds.
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    I think it's a wise decision to look longer term, rather than risking his health and Caydee's safety. And I hope Alexa's foot/ankle/whatever is OK and that both S/K and C/S will have some really satisfying performances at worlds.
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    Both Americans Smoked the Chinese at 4 CC's this year...I don't think well be seeing Sui/Han this year
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    Check the long scores for S/K. Z/B still have them there in front of an International panel (4 points higher in the Seasons best score.) S/K received a 54. in the short at NHK.

    Also C/S were 10 points higher than Z/B at Nationals and at 4 CC's were a mere .o8 higher with both teams making the same fall on the throw. Review the tape from US Nats...be honest...who should have won the long. (Z/B did have the highest tech score) If they would have had the required tech score for Worlds at that point, Z/B would have been second.

    Yes all three teams are great, but I am skeptical of this injury that Alexa has recovered from in a matter of 1 week. Just my opinion.
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  19. Ziggy

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    Did we ever get a confirmation of what Scimeca's injury was?

    MAYBE SHE FAKED IT JUST LIKE PLUSHENKO?
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    Usova put her up to it. LEIS, all LEIS.
  21. Sylvia

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    I'm pretty sure USFS will be monitoring Scimeca/Knierim's competition readiness for Worlds while Zhang/Bartholomay will continue to train as the first alternates just in case they are needed.

    Pang/Tong weren't at 4CC - they may be old and dealing with injuries but I wouldn't count them out at Worlds.
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    I bet she would look better in the hospital gown in the tweeted photos.
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    What was the injury exactly...does anyone know?
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    :D
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    "This"also would love to know was it a tweak ? Anyway wish them luck and glad Z/B are training and ready...
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    Ugh. Frustrating for Z&B. They came so close to beating S&K at Nationals (They should have) and so close to beating C&S at 4CC (They should have).
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    ^^ I think Zhang/ Bartholomay have improved but at this point, both C/S and S/K are somewhat stronger teams, IMHO.
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    Why frustrating? They are having the best year of their careers by far and the future looks bright! If you told them last year they'd be 1st alternates for Worlds I think they'd be pretty stoked. Good for them, I say! :cheer:
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    Has S/K's new long program that they debuted at nationals been judged on the international level?
    If not, how do we know that Z/B would score better than them?
    Just wondering . . .
  31. olympic

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    As someone pointed out, S/K changed their LP, most likely to be better received by international judges, so who's better in the LP is hard to quantify right now. The only thing we have to go by is what happened at Nationals where both teams skated head-to-head in the final group where S/K won the LP.

    As someone else pointed out, S/K scored 59.01 at Coupe de Nice, so I stand by my assessment that they have bigger scoring potential than Z/B. But, I think I misstated that earlier by using the phrase 'usually close to 60 pts.'


    Things may have changed with the inclusion of S/K at 4CC's. S/K may have been ahead of both teams. Who knows.
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    I agree with this. I was surprised with the scores Pang and Tong were awarded this fall, given the state of some of their elements.
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    I meant to post this observation earlier, but US pairs are experiencing some irony right now.

    Interestingly in the last decade, it was virtually impossible to find a US team that could just land SBS jumps and all their throw jumps cleanly. Now, they have overcome that obstacle for the most part, only to find in the last quadrennial that the rest of the world has really taken off and that is not nearly enough to matter anymore: Maybe we are behind as a result of US pairs being at a nadir in the middle of last decade (no teams with any sort of star quality) and the simultaneous implementation of CoP which the US was slow to embrace generally. We haven't been helped by our teams parting ways at an unhealthy clip - M/B v. 1.0 not realizing their potential and ultimately disbanding, and the frustration of Y/C getting it together for the 1st time in 2011 only to disband as well.

    IDK, just a random thought here in the US pairs thread.
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    Best of luck to Rockne and Lindsay with their new partnership.


    US nationals next year in Boston is going to be very interesting in senior pairs. Can't wait!
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Thanks, flyingsit - I've started a new GSD thread with your news: New U.S. Pair: Rockne Brubaker & Lindsay Davis

    Re-posting more comments from the S/K cheer thread since they're relevant here:
    It would be exciting to see Castelli/Shnapir go for a throw 3A in their FS but I think it will depend on their placement after the SP at Worlds.
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    Thanks for transferring my post to here. I happened to have the aforementioned train of thought while posting in the S/K thread!

    I personally feel that generally, C/S don't have a lot to lose by going for the throw 3x. The US isn't expected to come close to a medal or even 3 spots for Sochi, and they are pretty safe for 2 spots even with a fall.

    Then again, I see your point. IF they are really clean in the SP and find themselves in an unexpected high placement, and there are mistakes by others plus S/K do really well, they may want to go for clean and cautious if they can see 3 spots on the horizon.
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    Thanks for posting. Once the rumors that Lindsay and Mark were breaking up got out, there was also speculation that Lindsay and Rockne would tryout -- it seemed almost like a done deal. I guess they waited a respectable time (first to announce the split), then to announce the new pairing, after the tryout. Since there's another thread about this, I'll post more there.

    Meanwhile, good look to Lindsay and Rockne. I also hope Mark feels a measure of satisfaction in what he and Lindsay were able to accomplish this season, and most of all in what he and Amanda contributed for so many years to U.S. pairs and to the sport of figure skating. Thank you, Mark, and good luck in your future endeavors. :)


    I think C/S are intent on taking the opportunity at Worlds (under not so much pressure as at Nationals) to put some more difficulty out there, since they have been working on difficult throw jumps in practice. Why not go for it on the Worlds' biggest stage? With U.S. pairs heating up, it may be difficult for teams like C/S and S/K to get back to the World stage as quickly as they would like to. Who knows?


    And, re olympic's insightful post from the S/K thread in Trash Can, here are my comments posted yesterday in that same thread, which inspired olympic's: ;)

    And, voila, Rockne now has an on-ice partner (as well as an off-ice one ;)) seemingly willing to stick for the long haul.
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  40. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I recently mentioned the following item in the partner search thread in GSD:
    Former U.S. pair competitor Kendra Moyle, now 22 (2006 World Junior silver medalist and 2006 U.S. Junior national champion with Andy Seitz) has been touring with Disney on Ice -- here's a local article in her hometown paper in Michigan that includes this news:
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