US Pairs 2012-13 news & updates

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Theatregirl1122

    Theatregirl1122 Well-Known Member

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    If you read the explanation for GOE in COP, it is clear that a cleanly executed throw with no errors and no outstanding features should receive a GOE of 0. Simply executing an element cleanly under COP is not supposed to earn an element high GOE.

    I don't really have an opinion on D/C vs. P/T but I'm thrilled that we have someone here with carriemarie's knowledge and expertise on pair skating to tell us which posters have no idea about what goes on in pair skating. And which judging panels. Really, I don't know what FSU would do if we had to assume that the judges might have some idea of what they are doing.
     
  2. ioana

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    My problem with Sappenfield's choreography is she only does traditional programs. Be they ballet, dramatic soundtrack, Spanish or what not, unless you have naturally good posture, there's little effort to mask the posture problems or give a pair quirky programs where a non-balletic style would actually work in their favor. For example, I'd like to see D/C skate to something like Bald Mountain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmztA5iMUSA, minus the flexi moves) where the emphasis would be on energy, instead of trying to make her into a pwetty pwincess.

    I'm sure skaters she worked with starting at an early age do have good posture and look good with the types of programs she favors. My point (can't really speak for anyone else) was that these programs don't work for D/C.
     
  3. carriemarie

    carriemarie New Member

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    Glad my knowledge could be of service;)
    Seriously, my point and my post was a bit snarky and condescending and that wasn't my intention. I understand the principle that a throw that has errors can get a better GOE than a landed one, especially if the landed one has technical issues. I don't think D/C have too many technical issues in their throws and they look quite nice when landed. I firmly believed they were undermarked at both their GP's and didn't have a chance in hell to be above third, regardless of how the top teams skated. Not all agree with me. It's fine, it's just my opinion, but I believe it is valid.

    As far as the styling issue, I think Sappenfield is trying to make D/C something they are not. Although the programs and costuming is totally improved from last year, I don't believe they should try to make Caydee into a ballerina. They should play up her more athletic style. I hesitate to truly criticize S/K since they have only been together a short time and are still a bit sloppy and working out the kinks. As far as her other teams, I feel like she tends to structure most of her programs in similar fashion and continues to use very generic music and cuts, but you can't argue with results like hers. I just feel for the US to reach the top tier in pairs thinking outside the box with technical content, music, and styling would benefit our teams. Obviously, Sappenfield knows what she is doing and is a great coach, but I wish she would be a bit more creative and work with a skater's strong points not against.
     
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  4. olympic

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    ^^^

    D/C did quite well at CoR. I believe their LP score was around 120 pts. for a clean program and no one would argue that the Russian pairs are significantly better than they are. Plus, they were at a disadvantage competing in Russia against the top 2 Russian teams (I consider B/L above K/S at this point) and their marks were quite inflated.

    But, the Russian teams received marks that were flat out too high. The British Commentators were aghast at V/T's mark!
     
  5. semogal

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  6. carriemarie

    carriemarie New Member

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    I believe D/C will eventually be rewarded for consistently skating solid performances. As I said, I am not an uber-fan of them by any means, but I appreciate the fact they have great determination and seem like they do really well under pressure. I am never worried they are going to bomb. They seem like they practice clean programs daily and just go out and perform them in competition. They certainly lack the flair and natural skating ability of the Russian teams, but they can always work to improve their PCS, while I think B/L's technical problems and incosistencies will be harder to clean up. I would never say D/C are better than the Russians, but at CoR they were quite good given what the Russians put out skating wise. And I have always felt V/T's marks were very, very high regardless of the competition.

    ETA-just saw the above post. Does this mean D/C are out for Nationals?
     
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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  8. Catherine M

    Catherine M Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's a safe assumption. I'm not a doctor but I do work at a hospital and hip surgeries usually take about 3-6 months to fully heal from, including time for physical therapy so I really can't see them skating again this season. But I guess we'll have to wait and see for the official word from team Denney & Coughlin.
     
  9. NadineWhite

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    I just wanted to say I'm a *fan* of Sappenfield's choreography, packaging, et al, always have been, and was hoping D/S would go to her...
     
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Thanks for the info, Catherine M.

    Andrew Speroff was with Sappenfield originally (for at least 3 partners after Rachael Flatt). I believe he relocated to Boston because Donlan was underage at the time and couldn't easily move herself.
     
  11. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I know that, and automatically *assumed* that he is where he is now because Gretchen Donlan's from Boston, et al. And one of the deals of the partnership I'm *assuming* once again is that he had to move where she was, and that included her coaches, etc. In fact he stated on his facebook page that he used to live with Gretchen and her family.

    Btw, I enjoy reading your site, Sylvia.
     
  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Updated from an earlier post (#521) in this thread:
    Senior Pairs at 2013 Nationals (down to 11 teams):

    Denney/Coughlin 179.21, CoR 178.90 (172.16) - out of Nationals at least
    Castelli/Shnapir 174.86 174.51, NHK (165.74)
    Scimeca/Knierim 163.10, NHK 156.00 (158.63)
    Donlan/Speroff 145.35 135.43, Ice Challenge (150.00)
    Davis/Ladwig 143.70, NHK 122.26 (144.35)
    Vise/Baldwin 143.34 143.15, CoR (138.68)
    Zhang/Bartholomay 143.32, Salt Lake Sr B (150.05) [Note: Felicia skated injured at Eastern Sectionals to qualify for Nationals]
    Kayne/O'Shea (150.50) (137.72, Easterns)
    Denney/Frazier 127.33*, JGP (150.08)
    Baga/Toth (119.41) (106.73, Mids)
    Leng/LeDuc (113.44, Mids)
    Yankowskas/Reagan (no full competition score available)

    * = Junior score
     
  13. olympic

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    *sigh* Sad for D/C

    It looks like C/S and S/K are most likely world's team, unless D/C are magically ready in time or D/S pull themselves together ...
     
  14. Spiralgraph

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    I must've missed the latest on Yankowskas/Reagan. What's their injury and how long are they out for?

    (The very cynical side of me wonders if Caydee Denney will still be skating with Coughlin after US Nationals 2013.)
     
  15. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    According to a USFS press release dated November 9th, Caitlin Yankowskas/Joshua Reagan "were forced to withdraw from both of their Grand Prix assignments, Cup of China and NHK Trophy, after Reagan sustained a rib injury in practice last month."
     
  16. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Y/R were out for entire GP season. They had been assigned to CoC and then from the alternates list to NHK.
     
  17. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

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    Just a side note, but I can't believe how much Caitlin Yankowskas reminds me of Oksana Baiul, not just in looks, but more importantly how they skate, WOW! :eek: :hat1:
     
  18. aftershocks

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    Yes, I agree Denney/ Coughlin might benefit from using high energy dramatic music to highlight their strengths, rather than soft, lyrical traditional ballet-type music/ choreo.

    Best of luck to John for a full and safe recovery, and I look forward to seeing him and Caydee back on the ice when he's fully healed!
     
  19. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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  20. Skittl1321

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    Wow- I hope John Coughlin has a full recovery and is in top shape for the Olympic season.

    The pairs event at nationals should be interesting. The scores show there are definitely top teams and lower tier teams, but really- it seems like this is anybody's ball game, no one really has a big enough reputation to hold them up if they don't skate great. I can't wait to see how it plays out.
     
  21. NadineWhite

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    My ultimate dream for pairs is that the two that go to the Olympics do good enough in the *Team Event* to earn the USA a medal, because I think it's going to come down to pairs in the end. Dance no problem. Ladies 80% chance of doing good. Men 50/50. Then comes pairs :eek: Whomever skates pairs' for the USA is going to have the biggest burden/albatross.

    Which is why they have to kick it up a notch! The bronze will be between them and Canada...
     
  22. hlp728

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    Found a video of Caityln and Josh skating at the Dallas Galleria. They skated to Music from Nutcracker Ballet, Waltz of the Flowers I think. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dTAzVFJcbjk. You can skip towards the 6:55 marker. I can't wait to see more from them!!
     
  23. Proustable

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    Who is gonna win silver and gold?
     
  24. TwizzlerS

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    I've been wondering that too (who will win silver & gold in the Team Event). Perhaps there should be a separate thread for this but Japan has the pairs and dance deficits (do they have a pairs team that can compete in the Olympics?). Canada has strengths in 3 disciplines and maybe ladies will be better if Osmond continues to do well (but they'll need another lady). Russia has strengths in all four disciplines unless Plushenko doesn't skate. Italy needs some men. I'd say the US may be on par with or perhaps a bit stronger than France.
     
  25. Proustable

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    Right now, I'd argue it's Russia, Canada, France and USA for the podium.
     
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    I've bumped up an old thread for you and copied over your post above (as well as other posts related to this topic): Team event in Sochi

    ETA: Marissa Castelli tweeted yesterday that she was "Heading up to the great white north tomorrow" so it sounds like she and Simon are going back to work with Julie Marcotte et al. in Montreal.
     
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  27. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    I'm curious -- why? Do you mean to be safe? They can only enter two skaters/teams in up to two disciplines, one each skating the short and the free, but there's not requirement to have more than one from each discipline. If Canada is bent on winning, they wouldn't split Dance or Men, unless there is a miracle between now and Sochi or Chan and/or V/M requested it.

    Unless the Canadian Ladies skater earns more than one spot at Worlds in London, Canada can't have more than one Ladies entry. (That's technically true of all disciplines, but barring disaster, Canada should easily have at least two in every other discipline, since everyone who finishes the SP gets a maximum of 16 points, which means the second skater has to be, at worst, in the top 12.)
     
  28. johndockley92

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    Didn't see much from that video of Ashley and Josh, but nice star carry!
     
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    It's "Pas de Deux" from The Nutcracker. This video is filmed from high above the small rink!
    You mean Caitlin and Josh. ;) They are the only pair with no competition videos online so far this season, so it's difficult to assess how they will fare at Nationals.
     
  30. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    I don't mean to jinx them, but if they win the US nationals, it would be quite fitting because Coughlin won it with his new partner (Denney) after he split from Yankowskas.
     
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