US Pairs 2012-13 news & updates

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Here's a summary of the known status of the top U.S. Senior & Junior pairs as we head into the off-season.

    Friendly request: Please let's try and keep this thread focused on confirmed and/or reliable hearsay news and updates. Thanks!

    Senior teams currently listed in the 2012-13 ISP:
    Caydee Denney & John Coughlin S1
    Mary Beth Marley & Rockne Brubaker S2
    Gretchen Donlan & Andrew Speroff S4
    Marissa Castelli & Simon Shnapir S5
    Felicia Zhang & Nathan Bartholomay S8
    Tiffany Vise & Don Baldwin S9

    Planning to move/test up to Senior in the US:
    Haven Denney & Brandon Frazier J1
    Kylie Duarte & Colin Grafton J3

    Confirmed/Announced (in recent articles) as new Senior teams:
    Caitlin Yankowskas & Joshua Reagan (March 22, 2012): http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120322&content_id=27522848&vkey=ice_news
    Kiri Baga & Taylor Toth (she is new to pairs & needs to test up): http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120323&content_id=27536620&vkey=ice_news
    Tarah Kayne & Danny O'Shea (she is new to pairs; both are reportedly testing up)
    Lindsay Davis & Mark Ladwig - May 4, 2012 article link posted in this separate discussion thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83551

    "Hearsay" Senior teams::
    Alexa Scimeca & Chris Knierim (new, training in Colorado Springs)
    Cassie Andrews & Nicholas Anderson (re-teaming in Indianapolis)

    Not listed on IPS (icepartnersearch.com):
    Ashley Cain S6 - likely to return to JGP in singles & will compete Senior ladies in the U.S. in 2012-13
    Timothy LeDuc S11 - still looking as of the May 2nd article link posted in this GSD thread: The challenges of finding a suitable pair/dance partner...

    Listed on IPS (have competed at Nationals, Nov.-Sr., within the past few years):
    * = ISU Junior age-eligible in 2012-13

    Andrea Poapst S7
    Ivan Dimitrov S10
    Danielle Viola N6
    *Anthony Evans N7
    *Chad Phillips N8
    *Victoria LoRusso N11
    Drew Meekins
    Joseph Lynch
    *Adam Civiello

    Junior/JGP-eligible teams currently listed in the 2012-13 ISP:
    * = previous JGP experience

    *Haven Denney & Brandon Frazier J1
    *Britney Simpson & Matthew Blackmer J2
    *Jessica Noelle Calalang & Zack Sidhu J4
    Jessica Pfund & AJ Reiss J5
    *Madeline Aaron & Max Settlage J6
    Brianna de la Mora & Taylor Wilson J8
    *Olivia Oltmanns & Joshua Santillan J9
    Audrey Goldberg & Joseph Dolkiewicz J10
    Christina Zaitsev & Ernie Utah Stevens N4

    New Junior(?) team (hearsay):
    AnnaMarie Pearce & Matej Silecky (new to pairs)
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  2. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Sylvia.

    One of the more intriguing things for the new season in pairs for me, will be how well the junior pairs teams testing up to seniors (Denney/ Frazier and Duarte/ Grafton) will fare among the more established teams at the top and among the newly formed teams, especially Yankowskas/ Reagan and Davis/ Ladwig, and also Baga/ Toth.
  3. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    Ooooo. I may have to pay attention to the JGP with Russia's D/D and Zaitsev/Stevens (Divaette/Utah) competing this season. Two of my very favorite teams that I will be very, very saddened if they outgrow each other.
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    Andrea PoapstÂ’s citizenship is listed as Canadian on her icepartnersearch profile. Is this correct?
  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Yes, she competed in Junior Ladies at Canadians a few years ago (ETA: 6th in 2010).

    This was posted in the Pairs/Dance splits 2012 thread earlier today:
    I assume this is Canada's Brittany Jones -- can anyone provide any reliable hearsay information?
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    Yes, she is from Canada.
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    aftershocks Well-Known Member

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    It's mentioned in the pairs/ split thread that Jones is trying out with Ian Beharry who is rumored to have split with Katherine Bobak.
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    ^^ I hope this does not come to fruition.
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I'm assuming "Brittany Jones has moved to Cali" isn't accurate or, at least, premature at this point.

    I missed this pair news tidbit that was published in early April in an article about the Skating Club of Boston's "Ice Chips" show:
    Link to the "Ice Chips" thread in GSD with show videos of Castelli/Shnapir and Donlan/Speroff:
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  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Two new pairs were added recently to USFS' International Selection Pool (ISP) -- Lindsay Davis & Mark Ladwig and Caitlin Yankowskas & Joshua Reagan -- bringing the current total to 18 pairs (9 Senior and 9 ISU Junior age-eligible).

    The registration deadline for the National Pairs Camp, scheduled for June 9-10, 2012, at the Canlan Ice Sports facility in Fort Wayne, Indiana, is May 15th: http://www.usfsa.org/Athletes.asp?id=516
    ETA #1:
    @TaylorToth tweeted today:
    "Congrats @KiriBaga on becoming an intermediate pair skater!!!!"

    ETA #2: Tanith Belbin tweeted this photo of her and the SC of Boston pairs (Castelli/Shnapir, Donlan/Speroff, Shaughnessy/Morgan, Bautista/Harris)
    http://twitter.com/#!/TanithJLB/status/200722043908521985/photo/1
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  11. aftershocks

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    I've received a couple of unsolicited pms from a FSU poster :cold: who claims that "the Ellenton rink has some amazing energy now and there are pairs teams that [will] Shock even After shocks."

    There are some good junior pairs I know, some of whom will be moving up to seniors next season. I enjoyed watching Denney/ Frazier, and Simpson/ Blackmer at Nats in January, but those teams train out of Colorado Springs.

    Aside from the new team of Davis/ Ladwig, who else in Ellenton is on the rise? I'm willing to be impressed, but I doubt I'll be "shocked." U.S. pairs is fairly exciting at the moment, and watchable. :watch:

    Perhaps the "mystery shockers" are currently competing as novices?

    Also, does anyone know why the winning young team, Tanovich/ Chau, split up awhile ago?
  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Felicia Zhang/Nate Bartholomay and the new team of Tarah Kayne/Danny O'Shea are 2 other pairs in Ellenton, FL. They're mentioned in this article link in my post #1 above (scroll down past the Baga/Toth section): http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120323&content_id=27536620&vkey=ice_news

    ETA re. Tanovich/Chau: I never heard an official reason for their split in May 2010. Both have been competing in singles since then. Last I heard, Chau is still in Ellenton (he placed 6th in Senior Men at Eastern Sectionals this past season); Tanovich (junior last season and competing senior now) switched to another rink in Florida and currently is coached by Richard Callaghan, I believe.
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  13. Ziggy

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    She outgrew him.
  14. aftershocks

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    Thanks Sylvia, and Ziggy.

    I definitely enjoyed watching Tanovich/ Chau in novice and juniors. I didn't realize Tracy experienced a growth spurt that made their partnership difficult to maintain. It must be very challenging for them both to be a winning pair team and then compete lower-ranked in singles and not make Nationals.

    I remember seeing Zhang/ Bartholomay at Nats and I think they're a good team, but not in the "shock and awe" category. I remember when Zhang skated with Taylor Toth, but her new partnership probably works better for her. I'm excited to see the new team of Baga/ Toth as they both seem to have a similar lyrical style.

    Are there any clips available of Kayne/ O'Shea?
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    michael chau is fabulous but only 5'4 so tracy didnt have to grow that much to outgrow him
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    ^^ Ohhhh, too bad -- they were fun to watch. I guess Chau will not have a future in pairs if he's stopped growing.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Not that I know of - they have yet to compete together. I've heard they may be making their competition debut at Liberty in July.

    The 3 other pair teams in Ellenton, FL (for a total of 6 teams) are:
    Stacey Kemp/David King (GBR) - #23 in ISU World Standings, eligible for a Senior GP invite

    Junior: Alyssa McDougal/Paul Schatz (new team; he is 21 now)
    Novice: Grace Knoop/Noah Chinault (8th in Intermediate at 2012 Jr. Nationals)

    I'm told that Michael Chau is planning to continue competing in singles and he will also be assisting in coaching in Ellenton.
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  18. aftershocks

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    ^^ Thanks for the additional information, Sylvia!
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    As others have mentioned, Tanovich and Chau were nearly the same height by the end of their partnership (Chau is about 5'4", maybe a bit less). They attempted to hang on for one last season, which would have been their first on the JGP, but Chau hurt his shoulder and I think that forced the issue.

    The writing had been on the wall for a few seasons, and at least for me, it allowed an interesting perspective on their skating. I always enjoyed watching them skate from Juvenile on up, with a joy and lovely quality of movement about them. Although any season may be a team's last season, I was especially aware of that with Tanovich and Chau (because of his height and her age), and it allowed me to really appreciate their performances in their last few years. I know that many were hoping they would get their well-earned Team USA jackets before they needed to split, and the timing of Chau's injury was unfortunate.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Yes, I was really hoping they could compete internationally at least once together. :( On a positive, present day note, Tanovich can land a clean 2A as a singles skater and seems to be improving its consistency in competition.

    Tiffany Vise ‏( @icetiff ) tweeted on May 13:
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  21. DORISPULASKI

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    AFAIR, I&B also used Mills for choreo a number of times, so it's no surprise that he's doing V&B's choreo..
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Interesting article about throw jumps with quotes by Amanda Evora, Timothy LeDuc, Taylor Toth, Marissa Castelli, Britney Simpson, and coach Bobby Martin: http://www.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120515&content_id=31336512&vkey=ice_news
    ETA: Harrison Choate filmed the video of "Castelli & Shnapir - Quad Throw Salchow" that's linked from the article (under the "Related Content" header).

    ETA #2: @dscclub tweeted today that Denney/Coughlin are visiting Detroit Skating Club this week to work with choreographer Pasquale Camerlengo.
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  23. barbk

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    Boy do I wish that C&S could get the SBS jumps. They look so good in all the other respects.
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    Wow - that quad throw salchow looked so easy! Wonder if they'll put that in their program instead of the throw triple axel.

    Very interesting article.
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    All power to C/S with a throw Quad. If it's easier for them, then they should go for it.

    I more wish he would get the SBS jumps though. He even struggles with the 2x
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    Senior Grand Prix initial assignments for US Pairs (10 slots, 7 teams for now):
    Two: Denney/Coughlin (Skate America/Russia), Marley/Brubaker (Canada/Japan)
    One: Donlan/Speroff (Skate America), Castelli/Shnapir (Japan), Vise/Baldwin (Canada), Yankowskas/Reagan (China), Davis/Ladwig (Japan), TBA at Skate America

    Possible Senior B and/or consideration for Skate America TBA:
    Felicia Zhang & Nate Bartholomay (S8)
    Kylie Duarte & Colin Grafton (J3 / JW8; she has aged out of ISU Junior events)

    Junior Grand Prix age-eligible pairs currently listed in USFS' International Selection Pool (9 teams):
    Haven Denney & Brandon Frazier (J1 / JW4)
    Britney Simpson & Matthew Blackmer (J2 / JW10 / JGPF3)
    Jessica Noelle Calalang & Zack Sidhu (J4 / qualified for JGPF but WD)
    Madeline Aaron & Max Settlage (J6)
    Olivia Oltmanns & Joshua Santillan (J9)
    Yet to compete on JGP:
    Jessica Pfund & AJ Reiss (J5) - won Jr. gold at Challenge Cup in March
    Brianna de la Mora & Taylor Wilson (J8)
    Audrey Goldberg & Joseph Dolkiewicz (J10)
    Christina Zaitsev & Ernie Utah Stevens (N4)
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  27. reese

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    Couldn't be happier for Donlan/Speroff!
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    OK what's up with Vise/Baldwin getting Canada? The looked BAD at nationals. And no GP of Z/B? Looks like bad judgement?
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Vise/Baldwin are ranked #20 on the ISU Season Best total scores list (top 24 are guaranteed 1 GP).
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    There World Rankings are much higher as they have done a number of GP's. Z/B are pretty much unproven, but hopefully they have a good summer showing, get Oberstdorf and have a good showing and get some points and get the TBA for SA.
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    Thanks for clearing this up !
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    Besides C/S (very good) throw 4 Salchow, (loud) whispers of other US teams working on the higher end pair elements: Denney/Coughlin 4 twist, a Marley/Brubaker throw 3 Axel, and a Zhang/Bartholomay throw 4 salchow. US Pairs must see the obvious need for added Technical fireworks...
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    I'm glad to see they're upping the ante technically, but I wish some teams would work more on basic skating. (Not to say that they aren't working now, but...)
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    I agree. The US teams have never been far behind in technical scores, it is the component scores that hurt them internationally. Stoking, lift positions, line, extension and posture are all things the US team should be focusing more attention on. Not that is it isn't commendable that they are upping the ante technically, but improvement on the component side is what the majority of US teams need and quite possibly would reap more points without more risk.
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    hear hear

    D/C - work on skating skills. Perhaps another SBS triple and upping the levels on non-jump elements would work

    M/B - work on coming together more and let her just continue to develop as a top notch pairs lady. Perhaps get another SBS triple

    C/S - try a different approach in getting him to land jumps

    D/S - see above - landing SBS jumps
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    This!
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    Problem is it's very hard to break down years of skating around with bad posture and develop good extension, whereas it might be easier to work on a harder throw jump. I can think of quite a few skaters who really tried to improve their basic skating (Tim Goebel and Scott Smith come to mind) and while they both looked quite good in practice sessions from what people said, it seems that once you put them back on the ice in a competition setting, all the previous bad habits, stiff knees and hunched shoulders came back too.

    Add in the additional factor of trying to match your partner when it comes to stroking and extension and this is an even harder goal. I only skated adult pairs for about a year and sometimes fixing something led to a whole bunch of problems since the whole timing of the program and steps leading into an element would also need to change. Maybe once people stop treating pairs as a dumping ground ('she has an iffy 3toe and really scratchy crossovers, but she's short, so PAIRS it is!'), the program could start going somewhere.

    That's also why when pairs skaters really do improve their basics and unision over time -like Evora and Ladwig did- they should get more recognitition and :respec:
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    I agree with both of you, but two things about upping the technical ante: the upside is the PCS bump given to the teams with big technical elements, especially as they near the top ranks, not to mention the GOE bump, like Sui/Han getting mega GOE on a 4TW where she landed draped over him. The downsides are that if the skaters don't get the PCS bump, they've invested a lot of training to get the bigger elements, which can hurt the timing of other elements -- for example, if they can't/won't do a 4Tw in the SP, the timing of the 3Tw might go awry -- and secondly, if the GOE is graded properly, it could suffer with the harder elements.

    Assuming a pairs keep its harder triple throw and replaces the easier one with the quad, the difference in base between a 3STh (4.5) and a 4STh (8.0) is 3.5. If GOE doesn't decrease in net (bigger scale for Th4S) for the quad throw, and there's no PCS bump for it, that team would have to up their PCS by an average of .56 with the 3ThS. For a team like C/S, the quad throw could put them on the map as more than an asterisk, if the rest of their program held up.

    For D/C, whose 3LzTw was L1 in both the SP and FS, the difference between a 3LzTw (5.0) and a 4LzTw (7.1) is 2.1. In the FS, they'd need to raise their PCS by .525 each to gain those points, without any PCS bump for big elements.

    D/C have a big upside in raising their PCS as well, because there are only a few teams like the Zhangs that won Olympic medals in the CoP era with mediocre PCS buoyed by the big tricks. By time P/T won silver, they had vastly improved in this area.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    New article on the U.S. junior champs Haven Denney & Brandon Frazier - they plan to compete junior internationally and senior nationally in the coming season and their programs were choreographed by Julie Marcotte: http://www.goldenskate.com/2012/05/second-time-a-charm-for-denney-and-frazier/
    They will debut their senior level SP program at Broadmoor Open in June and both their senior programs at Skate Detroit in July.
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