US Lady with big jumps

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  1. icellist

    icellist New Member

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    I just finished watching a lot of the upcoming junior ladies in the US and saw that their jumps werent all that big

    so if we also add the seniors who has big jumps?

    NOTICE: and so we dont have any really useless posting can we NOT talk about Rachael Flatt and Christina Gao (ehem: pinky)
  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    What's your definition of "big"? Height, distance and/or a combination of both? What about consistency in competition? For example, Agnes Zawadzki probably has the best quality 3Lutz among the current US ladies when it comes to height and distance covered, but she didn't seem to have as good a consistency on this jump in her two Grand Prix events as she usually does.

    P.S. You can't really tell people how or what to post/not post on FSU. ;)
  3. icellist

    icellist New Member

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    How about any of the qualities you stated
    height, distance, both, and not close to UR

    hmm i forgot about zawadzki and tom's other students
    o i just remember, nagasu has the best 2axel in my opinion compared to most of the international skaters

    maybe if i say it twice they might see it
    NOT Rachael Flatt and Christina Gao (ehem pinky)
  4. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member

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    Agnes Zawadzki is the only one I can think of.
  5. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    What U.S. juniors did you watch? For example, I think Courtney Hicks (SWP and Pacific Coast Jr. champion) has some gorgeous, big jumps.

    And like Sylvia mentioned, Zawadzki is probably the most naturally gifted jumper in the U.S., but her FS consistency just hasn't been there this season. The height, "hang time" and flow she gets on her jumps (notably the 3Lz) is world-class.

    Like it or not, Gao probably has the best 3F of all current U.S. ladies, and Flatt's looks much, much improved this season as well. :p
  6. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Well-Known Member

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    Bring back Tonya Harding.
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  7. just wondering

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    Seconding Chipso1. Hicks is an impressive jumper & has been all the way up the levels. Having Nicks as a coach, now, will enhance her presence & finish so that she can transition effectively to the next nation and international levels.
  8. Allen

    Allen Well-Known Member

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    Right? I mean, she was horrible artistically, but those jumps :swoon:

    I like Hicks a lot. Pacific Sections was a stacked junior field and she came out on top. I was disappointed that Wang and Keiser didn't qualify for nationals because I was hoping to see them.
  9. MikiAndoFan#1

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    Tonya Harding.
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  10. bardtoob

    bardtoob Well-Known Member

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    You act like this skater would somehow be competitive today, and somebody would want to watch her . . . At the time of the this clip, none of the "right" people thought so . . .

    1987 NHK Tonya Harding SP

    :rolleyes: Its not like this program is a clinic on the IJS or anything . . . Oh, wait :COP:
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  11. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    Well, I was never one of the right people.

    I liked watching Tonya back then in 1987/1988.

    However, back then, figures were required.

    Loved that final spin :)
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  12. flyingsit

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    If she only had a full set of jumps... Amanda Dobbs has an amazing triple toe and triple salchow. The toe in particular covers a huge amount of distance, it's reminiscent of Nicole Bobek's triple toe.
  13. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Zawadzki for sure. Gao has big toe pick jumps but the rest aren't that big. Amanda Dobbs has a huge 3t, can't say much about the rest of her triples because they don't seem that consistent yet. Ashley's jumps are pretty big but the 2footing often disguises it. Felicia Zhang has a killer 3lz when she lands it.
  14. miki88

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    Tonya Harding had a certain charisma, not in the conventional sense, but I always enjoyed watching her more than Kerrigan. She was capable of artistic growth but too bad her head wasn't in the right place in later years.
  15. bardtoob

    bardtoob Well-Known Member

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    Tonya never got a pair of "magic skates" from Carlo Fassi, like Trenary, so she had to wait until Trenary was not competitive anymore.
  16. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Katerina Kulgeyko has big jumps. Her 3lz-3t is awesome :respec:
  17. PUNKPRINCESS

    PUNKPRINCESS New Member

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    icellist, if you want big jumps, consider watching the Men's competition. ;)

    I'm not being catty, just realistic. There aren't too many international girls who can do big jumps, either. But why do big jumps specifically concern you? I'm more interesting in seeing well-rounded consistency... :D
  18. Jarrett

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    Too bad, none of our skaters are that either this season. :D I guess, Rachel but she is still not winning.
  19. gingercrush

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    Was Tonya actually hurt by the removal of figures? She was certainly better than Yamaguchi, Kerrigan or Ito at them. Though I guess Trenary might have continued her career had figures continued to be included.

    And figures and the habit of having to do figures might have helped her focus on skating and not be so distracted by other things going on.
  20. victoriaheidi

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    I think that Rachael would have won SA had she been without injury.
  21. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I always thought the only reason Trenary retired was she was forced to by injury. I dont think she was as uncompetitive without figures as some think. The first event she was in without figures was the Goodwill Games which with Ito missing was hyped as an a 3-way all American battle for gold between Trenary, Kerrigan, and Yamaguchi. She easily beat Kerrigan and very narrowly missed beating Yamaguchi by .1 despite a subpar peformance with several mistakes. If she had stayed healthy I think she would have remained on the U.S World and Olympic teams and a threat to medal at all major events, though probably not winning gold again.
  22. briancoogaert

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    IIRC, she came back in 1991 (Skate Canada ?) and realized that it would be too difficult against Tonya, Nancy and Kristi without a 3Lutz, nor a 3Loop. Didn't she finish in 4th at 1991 Skate Canada ?
  23. DORISPULASKI

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    Probably. And although she got a lot of mileage out of credit for her 3F, as often as not, she either fell on it, or deliberately did a 3T instead.
  24. Nomad

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    Yes, behind Bonaly, Kielmann, and Preston.
  25. bardtoob

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    ^That must have bit, having been World Champion in the spring, then finishing behind Bonaly in fall.
  26. DORISPULASKI

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    Heck with Bonaly. Behind Kielmann and Preston?? Oh the Shame :blah::blah:
  27. museksk8r

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    Bring back Harding and Bobek! :mitchell:
  28. bardtoob

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    I watched some Agnes Zawadzki, and I have to say that she is very impressive and right on time to compete with Rachel and Mirai . . . YES!!!
  29. hoptoad

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    What is the "magic skates" story? I've never heard it, but I wasn't following closely then.
  30. skateboy

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    IIRC, Trenary was 1st in the SP, then fell on just about everything in the long and dropped to fourth.
  31. bardtoob

    bardtoob Well-Known Member

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    Once one of his skaters had established himself/herself as one to watch in the freeskating, something would come out in the media to the effect that he made or gave that skater some new skates specifically for doing figures better, then all of a sudden that skater would start scoring better in the compulsory figures portion of the competition.
  32. judgejudy27

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    Trenary couldnt even land a double axel consistently anymore after her injury. I think without her injury she would have been strong enough to stay ahead of someone like Kerrigan for example. Remember she had a huge reputation in the sport at the time, the judges always gave her very high 2nd marks, and someone like Kerrigan only did 4 triples a program on a good day anyway. Likely had everything followed course recent World Champion and veteran star Trenary would have needed only 3 triples per competition to safely keep beating relative "nobody" Kerrigan and her 4 triples per event, and Kerrigan medaled in ALL the major events of 91-92.
  33. SmallFairy

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    I miss Nicole Bobek.....
  34. pinky166

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    Who needs Harding or Bobek back when Gao is going to dominate the international skating scene by 2012-2013 :)
  35. hoptoad

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    Thanks! :lol: