Unconfirmed: Zhang and Zhang may split?

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  1. jjane45

    jjane45 New Member

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    Is this brought up yet? Chinese forums are actively discussing a potential new partner for Zhang Hao (27). Allegedly Peng Cheng (17) / Zhang Tianci (20) split because of this, but nothing is confirmed yet. Oh well...
  2. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Because she grew too tall? If the Zhangs can only manage so much unison and pairness after skating together for what, 504 years, what are the odds of any new team involving Zhang Hao getting even half of that before Sochi?
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  3. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    She's too tall, they just can't continue. It's sad but if he wants too and can he should be allowed. His injuries were a direct result of her height and if he can continue with a smaller parter, good for him! They can get good in 6 years.
  4. Ziggy

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    Given his previous multiple injuries, I don't feel there's much chance of him having a real shot at 2018.

    Zhangs should have split years ago, it's not like her being almost as tall as him is exactly news.
  5. kirkbiggestfan

    kirkbiggestfan Well-Known Member

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    He is built like a house and she weights 2 pounds. He did not look like he had any struggle lifting her or throwing her. I am sure they will find him a tiny skater, but it won't be easy to find someone who can jump like her.

    Every athlete deals with injuries. Trankov and Smirnov have similar one and overcame them. Get him healthy first.
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I agree... her size was not a problem when they were doing throw 4sal and 4twist. Has she really grown taller since then?

    And she was a great jumper... I will never forgot her coming back to hit 2axel-3toe right after her horrible fall in Torino. :respec:

    I just think the fact is they are getting older, struggling with the jump more, and have not improved on their artistry. Pang & Tong are having similar issues. I hope the Chinese fed is not "blaming" Dan Zhang and/or her body type.
  7. pinky166

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    There was an article and apparently she has grown taller... she was 164 cm before and now is reportedly 169 or 170 cm. I guess when she was injured and took time off she grew, even at age 24.
  8. jjane45

    jjane45 New Member

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    Allegedly more mix and match on the way among lower ranked pairs...
  9. julieann

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    Like I said his injuries were cause from trying to catch a girl who was too big, 5'3", 5'4", 5'5" not to mention the added weight takes it toll on a guy. So as he's healing, other body parts start to compensate like his shoulder, even he admitted that. He said she was as tall as 5'7" and was now the tallest pairs skater ever. He is only 6 feet. That is not a good match. He is better off with a girl who is around 5'2" or 5'3".

    I doubt she weighs 2 pounds, especially this year. This year was a struggle especially at the GPF. If he can find someone who is smaller to grow with him over the next few years, jumping usually isn't a problem with skaters especially at this level.

    Trankov's and Smirnov's injury issues were not related to their partners. They were individual issues with their own bodies.

    Yes, according to her wiki page:

    Zhang Dan is the tallest currently-competing female pair skater. In 2008, she was 1.63 m and in October 2009, she reached 1.675 m, surpassing Tatiana Totmianina (1.65 m) and ending in a virtual tie with Viktoria Borzenkova (1.68 m) who are both retired. As of August 2011, she is the tallest female in elite pair skating, being 1.695 m in height.
  10. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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    So she finally started eating and started growing? God forbid that should happen. :(
  11. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    My thoughts exactly...
  12. julieann

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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, no one said there was :rolleyes:

    But should Hao Zhang have to lug around a girl who 5 inches shorter than he is?

    Here is their last lift a the Grand Prix Final, it's really messy and he looks like he's in agony. And that's after about 18 months off I think to recover for his finger now he has shoulder problems from compensating for his finger, they were out the rest of this season. I don;t think they skated anymore this year.

    So should he continue to train with her or start fresh? They are dating so that complicates things.
  13. Jeschke

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    hm, would be sorry for them.
    i really like the skating of dan zhang; would be hard to find a girl with 3sal and 2a3toe, think it´s almost impossible :D
  14. FunnyBut

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    I agree with you, it's a practical matter to find a very small partner, nobody can defy physics. Inches and pounds matter in skating, esp. for the lady in pairs, since throws and lifts are such a big part of the sport. I do feel bad for her, to literally outgrow the sport she has trained all her life for.
  15. Flatfoote

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    The silly part of me is thinking, if he finds a partnership with a tiny tot, they better be careful. If he is so used to hefting a larger person around, the first time he does a throw with a new girl, he's gonna end up tossing her across the arena! ;)
  16. blue_idealist

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    is Dan Zhang retiring? maybe she could skate singles since she's a good jumper? China doesn't have that many good ladies singles skaters, besides Kexin Zhang and Bingwa Geng is decent too.
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    And Zijun Li.
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  19. julieann

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    I wouldn't worry about it, the Zhangs didn't hit that combo enough times to make it worth it anyway ;)
  20. judgejudy27

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    Yeah I would like to see her try singles. She was an incredibly boring pairs skater anyway, and she brought him down, especialy artistically. She could choose some stony serious music to skate to, it would suit her non expression as she skates, and she could actually try and make it work if on her own. I think she could do a number of triples training for singles, she seemed to be an excellent jumper.
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    I hope she does singles, even if only for a year.

    And I'm calling bullshit on her growing at age "24."
  22. skateboy

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    Seriously. :eek:
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    They hit it when it counted in 2006.
  24. feraina

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    They've been competing internationally since 1999, including JGP medals in 1999.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Dan
    You can go watch old youtube videos to check what she looked like then.

    How old do you think she is now? Do you think she was eight or ten back in 1999?!

    Obviously she's bit of an anomaly to be still growing in height into her 20's, though athletes in general have later growth spurts than non-athletes. Is this harder to believe than that she was winning JGP's at 10 (though looked 13-14)? I guess it's up to you what you want to believe in...
  25. julieann

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    I didn't say they couldn't do one...that element was not there most consistent.
  26. Ziggy

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    She seems very decent!

    Thanks for the link. :)
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    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. :shuffle:
  28. leapfrogonice

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    Oh this would be so disappointing. They worked so hard to come back from injuries and he still seemed troubled by his shoulder as well. I have always enjoyed their power.
  29. jjane45

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    It's rumored that multiple tryouts happened
    and TPTB pretty much decided on Peng Cheng...
  30. kirkbiggestfan

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    How tall is Peng Cheng? She has all the goodies to be successfull with him, but she needs dance classes so bad. She does not finish her moves.
  31. judgejudy27

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    I cant believe they split up a young team just to keep a has been who should retire now in the fold. This is the Chinese Master plan to returning to the top in pairs, ROTFL!!! My prediction of the Chinese pairs becoming irrelevant again is looking more and more likely all time.
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    I am weary of the lack of appreciation for athletes who choose to continue competing when their results show decline. It is lazy to only think of a great career as one that caps off at its peak. To continue onwards is scary, challenging, painful, and there follows a colourful, fulfilling, empowering experience, that might not necessarily translate to medals. Let's open our minds to think that sport can be beyond the podium, especially one like figure skating with its special creative and expressive potentials. Kudos to skaters who choose to stay on when there are hungry, faster, fresher youngins nipping at the heels, kudos to these athletes who feel they have a little more to explore, and to give.

    Has beens? Irrelevant? A country of billions, with a massive talent pool, with a hunger for National glory, no lack of funding, and no fear of working hard...irrelevant. Hmm.
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  33. DaiKozOda

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    This!
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    This!
  35. miffy

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    This makes me so sad :( I had grown to like the Zhangs more over the years and was really rooting for them. I hope Dan will be able to continue a skating career of some sort if she wants to.
  36. judgejudy27

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    If older skaters want to skate fine, but it is silly to break up a young partnership to cater to an older skater whose best was many years ago, and who has injuries now. Also whether either of the Zhangs even want to skate at this point is doubtful at best. It seems the general consensus is the Chinese federation often forces their older competitors to keep going. As it is clear all their top pairs of the last 15 years have pretty much used up all their potential, and many are struggling just to stay afloat now, they should be focusing much more on the younger pairs, rather than desperately working to salvage the old guard. If the old ones want to go on (and are not being pushed into it) then fine, but dont cater to them and make them the focal point. If that is their approach they can prepare for a long medal drought in pairs, the one I suggested might happen a few months ago.
  37. analia

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    Peng Cheng has quite a partner hopping career of her own. She was skating with Han Cong for a brief while before she outgrew him. At the end of the day, this girl is 17 and has practically zero junior success and won't (her partner's running out of junior eligibility) and you can't blame her for not having the patience anymore.

    That being said, Peng's partner Zhang Tianci is actually very talented, with more potential than Zhang Hao. Hopefully he can find a partner with better artistry than Peng Cheng. The girl can jump and do skills, but needs a lot of maturity lessons.
  38. beepbeep

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    I grew up until I was 21. :shuffle:
    (1.78m at 18, 1.80 at 21...)

    I do find a major growth spurt at that age unlikely too, but she could have grown a couple of centimeters...
  39. feraina

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    I grew 2.5 cm when I was 30.

    Any kind of growth after 21 is unusual, whether it occurs at 24, 26, or 28. I don't think one can deduce anything from Dan Zhang growing at 25.
  40. blue_idealist

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    Was she maybe on hormone pills that stunted her growth until a late age on purpose?