U.S. Men news & updates - 2013-14 season

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. centerpt1

    centerpt1 Active Member

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    I wonder if Abbott would do better with a different sp? He isn't even getting the PCS with this one. Then again- it may be a moot point..he may just as well skate for himself and his fans at this point-looks like Sochi is out for him.

    Very happy for Adam's very solid start. It took a while, but he's finally coming into his own.

    I hate the quadarama that has ruined men's skating for me.
     
  2. Jaana

    Jaana Well-Known Member

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    I guess that Rippon is the only one from these U.S. men to have a tiny chance for a slot in GPF?
     
  3. toddlj

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    Yes, and it's a bit of a longshot at that. Takahashi and Oda have already finsihed above him, and there are five men (Machinda, Chan, Yan, Kovtun, Hanyu) who can finish above Adam with a medal. Additionally, Brezina could also finish above him with a gold, or a silver and high score. So Adam will definitely be an alternate; but likely the second or third one.

    (In theory there are some men with 7 points now who could also qualify above Rippon with a gold, but at the point one of them gets a gold, one of the others I mentioned above won't medal, so it still seems likely that Adam will be an alternate.)
     
  4. jlai

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    Bezina can theoretically get in the gpf with a gold next gp, though his chance of beating Hanyu, Chan and Yan Han are not that high
     
  5. aftershocks

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    I think its still too early to tell re the numbers toddlj. This is quad-CoP, numbers-grabbing figure skating and anything is possible with slippery ice and tense nerves; or conversely slippery ice and heroics. Any one of Han, Kovtun, Machida and Hanyu can skate brilliantly or not do as well as expected. It depends on the competition, skate order and the space between their ears, as much as their talent and capabilities. Not to mention how the judges see things. It will especially be interesting to see how Han and Kovtun (in their first senior GP season) will be able to follow up on their successes at Cup of China. Also, will Machida continue to shine as he battles for recognition among the talented field of Japanese men?

    Again its early, but I say Yay for Jeremy. Good to see him put together a pretty strong free skate, even without the quad. Thwart those naysayers! Kudos to Adam too, and I wish him well. Adam battled through a nervy skate. He could have obviously grabbed the bronze had he not been so tight and flubbed on footwork in the sp, and faltered on that easy camel spin in the fp (and popped his 2nd 3-axel there too). Overall, Adam has a lot to be proud of, and I hope he uses the NHK experience to help him learn how to handle his nerves better in the big moments.

    Max has some things to work out. I think he has good programs, but he's got to believe in them more and steady himself to land his money quads. Overall, I wish for all the U.S. men a huge daily dose of confidence and self-belief.
     
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  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Here is the updated Senior international scores list after NHK Trophy.

    Jeremy Abbott's bronze-medal winning FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wRcJnuL0Q
    Adam Rippon's SP (new ISU personal best score with first attempted 4T in competition): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGv2bxrr8Is

    Senior Men International Total Scores:

    Total Score, Name, SP Score, FS Score, International Event:
    241.24 Adam Rippon 80.26 + 160.98 Skate America, 2nd [#6 on ISU SB list]
    239.21 Max Aaron 81.49 + 157.72 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    238.36 Max Aaron 75.91 + 162.45 Skate America, 3rd [#8 on ISU SB list]
    237.41 Jeremy Abbott 78.78 + 158.63 NHK Trophy, 3rd [#9 on ISU SB list]
    233.71 Adam Rippon 82.25 + 151.46 NHK Trophy, 4th
    231.03 Jason Brown 83.78 + 147.25 Skate America, 5th [#11 on ISU SB list]
    228.43 Jason Brown 79.41 + 149.02 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    225.54 Stephen Carriere 77.48 + 148.06 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    223.35 Max Aaron 76.21 + 147.14 NHK Trophy, 7th
    218.57 Richard Dornbush 72.58 + 145.99 Cup of China, 5th [#19 on ISU SB list]
    216.72 Joshua Farris 69.14 + 147.58 Skate Canada, 5th [#21 on ISU SB list]
    215.95 Jeremy Abbott 74.58 + 141.37 Skate Canada, 6th
    210.87 Ross Miner 74.28 + 136.59 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    206.71 Richard Dornbush 65.82 + 140.89 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    206.56 Joshua Farris 71.85 + 134.71 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    199.31 Douglas Razzano 71.89 + 127.42 Finlandia Trophy, 6th
    196.89 Ross Miner 66.71 + 130.18 Skate Canada, 9th
    191.91 Grant Hochstein 63.29 + 128.62 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Short Program Scores:

    SP Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any)
    83.78 Jason Brown 44.85 + 38.93 - 0.00 Skate America, 2nd
    82.25 Adam Rippon 44.40 + 37.85 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 4th
    81.49 Max Aaron 44.57 + 36.92 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    80.26 Adam Rippon 43.23 + 37.03 - 0.00 Skate America, 3rd
    79.41 Jason Brown 43.38 + 36.03 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    78.78 Jeremy Abbott 38.82 + 39.96 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 7th
    77.48 Stephen Carriere 42.89 + 34.59 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    76.21 Max Aaron 40.65 + 36.56 - 1.00 NHK Trophy, 8th
    75.91 Max Aaron 41.37 + 35.54 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    74.58 Jeremy Abbott 35.30 + 39.28 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    74.28 Ross Miner 38.11 + 37.17 - 1.00 Nepela Trophy, 3rd
    72.58 Richard Dornbush 36.47 + 36.11 - 0.00 Cup of China, 6th
    71.89 Douglas Razzano 39.02 + 33.87 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 3rd
    71.85 Joshua Farris 37.67 + 34.18 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    69.14 Joshua Farris 33.11 + 36.03 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    66.71 Ross Miner 32.15 + 36.56 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 10th
    65.82 Richard Dornbush 29.45 + 36.37 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 8th
    63.29 Grant Hochstein 33.13 + 31.16 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Free Skate Scores:

    FS Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any)
    162.45 Max Aaron 90.47 + 72.98 - 1.00 Skate America, 2nd
    160.98 Adam Rippon 79.90 + 82.08 - 1.00 Skate America, 3rd
    158.63 Jeremy Abbott 78.25 + 80.38 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 3rd
    157.72 Max Aaron 81.88 + 75.84 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    157.70 Jeremy Abbott 74.20 + 84.50 - 1.00 Japan Open, 3rd (FS only)
    151.46 Adam Rippon 73.60 + 77.86 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 4th
    149.02 Jason Brown 73.80 + 72.22 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    148.06 Stephen Carriere 76.88 + 73.18 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    147.58 Joshua Farris 74.80 + 73.78 - 1.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    147.25 Jason Brown 68.69 + 79.56 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    147.14 Max Aaron 78.20 + 68.94 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 7th
    145.99 Richard Dornbush 76.61 + 70.38 - 1.00 Cup of China, 4th
    141.37 Jeremy Abbott 65.59 + 77.78 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 6th
    140.89 Richard Dornbush 66.73 + 75.16 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    136.59 Ross Miner 61.09 + 75.50 - 0.00 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    134.71 Joshua Farris 57.37 + 78.34 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    130.18 Ross Miner 60.54 + 69.64 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    128.62 Grant Hochstein 60.94 + 69.68 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th
    127.42 Douglas Razzano 59.58 + 68.84 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 7th

    To come:
    TEB: Brown, Miner
    Rostelecom Cup: Dornbush, Farris

    ETA:
    QUAD statistics - top-scoring quads/quad combos so far this international season:
    13.93 Aaron (USIC SP) 4S+3T 14.6 BV -0.67
    12.98 Aaron (SA FS) 4S+2T in 2nd half 12.98 BV
    11.66 Aaron (NHK SP) 4S+2T 11.8 BV -0.14
    10.60 Hochstein (USIC SP) 4T+2T 11.6 BV -1
    10.16 Abbott (SC SP) 4T 10.3 BV -0.14
    9.57 Aaron (USIC FS) 4S+1T 10.9 BV -1.33
    9.55 Aaron (USIC FS) 4S in 2nd half 11.55 BV -2
    9.30 Aaron (NHK FS) 4T 10.3 BV -1
    8.97 Farris (USIC SP) 4T 10.3 BV -1.33
    8.73 Rippon (NHK SP) 4T 10.3 BV -1.57
    8.50 Aaron (SA FS & NHK FS) 10.3 BV -2
    8.44 Rippon (NHK FS) 4T 10.3 BV -1.86

    Note: Rippon's 4Lz< hand down (SA SP) scored 6.93 (9.5 BV -2.57).

    3 others who fell on a rotated quad:
    7.55 Dornbush (Finlandia FS) 4S in 2nd half 11.55 BV -3 + fall -1
    6.30 Carriere (USIC FS) 4T 10.3 BV -3 + fall -1
    6.30 Razzano (Finlandia SP) 4T 10.3 BV -3 + fall -1
     
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  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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  8. olympic

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    Somebody we are forgetting about is Stephen Carriere. Why the USFSA doesn't send him to Ice Challenge is beyond me. Actually, not using a slot at Ice Challenge at all is a stupid move
     
  9. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

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    I'm hoping carriere has a good season too.
     
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    My only guess is that USFS doesn't want to give him a bye to Nationals.
     
  11. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

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    Why? That sounds very strange
     
  12. Jayar

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    Maybe it's more about not wanting to have another entry at Nationals?
     
  13. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Re-posting from the Skate Guard blog updates thread in GSD:
    Excerpt:

    Q: What do you love most about skating?

    A: I absolutely love to perform. There is no better feeling than putting your heart into a performance, and being able to share that experience with the audience, my family, and friends. Along with this, meeting skating fans and hearing their stories is something that I love about my skating experience. Their support means everything to me and it's my privilege getting to spend time talking to them. I also love to train. I could spend entire days locked up in the ice rink running sections of programs, doing tons of different drills, and working on each aspect of the sport. The feeling of ending my training day exhausted and dead tired is something I strive for each day.


    ETA link to Absolute Skating's interview (published Nov. 14) with Jason Brown at Nebelhorn Trophy in late September: Jason Brown: "I was not flexible at all as a kid"
     
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  14. NadineWhite

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    That's a nice excerpt from Jason Brown; thanks for posting it, Sylvia. :)

    And I wish him much luck at TEB this week! :kickass:
     
  15. reut

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    *Edited* Ooops, noticed the link above. :)
     
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    reut, you didn't have to edit your post! ;)

    NBCOlympics.com's Nicholas McCarvel tweeted these Adam Rippon article & video links today:
    (The 2-minute video appears to have been filmed in "Truth Booth" format.)
     
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  17. mtnskater

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    I love Adam's comment that he tries to skate "Afternoon of a Faun" with his best model "Zoolander" face just like Nijinksy. :lol: Go Adam....it works!
     
  18. NadineWhite

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    Jason just blew me away at TEB! :cool: Seriously, his SP was one-of-a-kind. A true artist, naturally gifted, nothing learned nor fake, organic, thee best kind. :smokin:

    If he continues on like this he should definitely be on the Olympic Team (even without a quad). And if he does make it (knock on wood), I would have him skate the SP, and help Team USA earn an Olympic Medal! :hat1:
     
  19. scheffie

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    Ditto to what NadineWhite said!

     
  20. LilJen

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    That was priceless. Now I won't be able to watch his LP in quite the same way. . .
     
  21. Primorskaya

    Primorskaya Well-Known Member

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    Can't watch the vid, too bad. He cracks me up! That LP is just perfect for him, he does look the part, and if that didn't make me sound like a certain poster who predicts everything almost accurately, I'd say I thought long ago that a program based on that ballet/music would be amazing for him. Yippee, the Skate Gods heard me!
     
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Here is the updated Senior international scores list after TEB. Congratulations to Jason Brown on winning his first Senior Grand Prix medal (bronze) and setting all 3 new ISU personal best scores in Paris! :)

    Brown's Riverdance FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_X_F8zJ8k8
    Medal ceremony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-tHv_xTpP4

    Senior Men International Total Scores:

    Total Score, Name, SP Score, FS Score, International Event, Overall Placement:
    243.09 Jason Brown 84.77 + 158.32 TEB, 3rd
    241.24 Adam Rippon 80.26 + 160.98 Skate America, 2nd
    239.21 Max Aaron 81.49 + 157.72 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    238.36 Max Aaron 75.91 + 162.45 Skate America, 3rd
    237.41 Jeremy Abbott 78.78 + 158.63 NHK Trophy, 3rd
    233.71 Adam Rippon 82.25 + 151.46 NHK Trophy, 4th
    231.03 Jason Brown 83.78 + 147.25 Skate America, 5th
    228.43 Jason Brown 79.41 + 149.02 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    225.54 Stephen Carriere 77.48 + 148.06 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    223.35 Max Aaron 76.21 + 147.14 NHK Trophy, 7th
    218.57 Richard Dornbush 72.58 + 145.99 Cup of China, 5th
    216.72 Joshua Farris 69.14 + 147.58 Skate Canada, 5th
    215.95 Jeremy Abbott 74.58 + 141.37 Skate Canada, 6th
    210.87 Ross Miner 74.28 + 136.59 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    206.71 Richard Dornbush 65.82 + 140.89 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    206.56 Joshua Farris 71.85 + 134.71 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    199.31 Douglas Razzano 71.89 + 127.42 Finlandia Trophy, 6th
    196.89 Ross Miner 66.71 + 130.18 Skate Canada, 9th
    191.91 Grant Hochstein 63.29 + 128.62 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Short Program Scores:

    SP Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any), Event & Segment placement
    84.77 Jason Brown 45.98 + 38.79 - 0.00 TEB, 3rd
    83.78 Jason Brown 44.85 + 38.93 - 0.00 Skate America, 2nd
    82.25 Adam Rippon 44.40 + 37.85 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 4th
    81.49 Max Aaron 44.57 + 36.92 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    80.26 Adam Rippon 43.23 + 37.03 - 0.00 Skate America, 3rd
    79.41 Jason Brown 43.38 + 36.03 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    78.78 Jeremy Abbott 38.82 + 39.96 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 7th
    77.48 Stephen Carriere 42.89 + 34.59 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    76.21 Max Aaron 40.65 + 36.56 - 1.00 NHK Trophy, 8th
    75.91 Max Aaron 41.37 + 35.54 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    74.58 Jeremy Abbott 35.30 + 39.28 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    74.28 Ross Miner 38.11 + 37.17 - 1.00 Nepela Trophy, 3rd
    72.58 Richard Dornbush 36.47 + 36.11 - 0.00 Cup of China, 6th
    71.89 Douglas Razzano 39.02 + 33.87 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 3rd
    71.85 Joshua Farris 37.67 + 34.18 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    69.14 Joshua Farris 33.11 + 36.03 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    66.71 Ross Miner 32.15 + 36.56 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 10th
    65.82 Richard Dornbush 29.45 + 36.37 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 8th
    63.29 Grant Hochstein 33.13 + 31.16 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Free Skate Scores:

    FS Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any), Event & Segment placement
    162.45 Max Aaron 90.47 + 72.98 - 1.00 Skate America, 2nd
    160.98 Adam Rippon 79.90 + 82.08 - 1.00 Skate America, 3rd
    158.63 Jeremy Abbott 78.25 + 80.38 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 3rd
    158.32 Jason Brown 78.20 + 80.12 - 0.00 TEB, 3rd
    157.72 Max Aaron 81.88 + 75.84 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    157.70 Jeremy Abbott 74.20 + 84.50 - 1.00 Japan Open, 3rd (FS only)
    151.46 Adam Rippon 73.60 + 77.86 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 4th
    149.02 Jason Brown 73.80 + 72.22 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    148.06 Stephen Carriere 76.88 + 73.18 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    147.58 Joshua Farris 74.80 + 73.78 - 1.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    147.25 Jason Brown 68.69 + 79.56 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    147.14 Max Aaron 78.20 + 68.94 - 0.00 NHK Trophy, 7th
    145.99 Richard Dornbush 76.61 + 70.38 - 1.00 Cup of China, 4th
    141.37 Jeremy Abbott 65.59 + 77.78 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 6th
    140.89 Richard Dornbush 66.73 + 75.16 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    136.59 Ross Miner 61.09 + 75.50 - 0.00 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    134.71 Joshua Farris 57.37 + 78.34 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    130.18 Ross Miner 60.54 + 69.64 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    128.62 Grant Hochstein 60.94 + 69.68 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th
    127.42 Douglas Razzano 59.58 + 68.84 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 7th

    To come next week:
    Rostelecom Cup: Dornbush, Farris
    U.S. Sectionals
     
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  23. olympic

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    ^Thanks as always for your lists, Sylvia!

    As we begin leaving the GP season and head towards Nationals in January, it appears that Jason, Adam, Max and Jeremy have 'broken out of the pack', remained somewhat consistent score-wise relative to the other US men, and have probably placed themselves as the four men most likely to compete for those 2 spots to Sochi. What is set up so nicely is that Ricky and Josh are lurking just behind these four, and they will end the GP season w/ an opportunity to improve in Russia. Both have been slowly getting better and we will see if they can close the gap somewhat. I said it once and will say it again - shame that Stephen Carriere wasn't given another opportunity by the USFSA to prove himself internationally after his skate at the International Classic in September. He put himself in the thick of it and deserved another shot at a Senior B. I don't care if they are loathe to give Byes thru Sectionals.

    BTW, when was the last time we had a group of US men scoring so well in the GP. The US men IMO have been outperforming what was expected of them.
     
  24. Jun Y

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    Well, I don't know. No US men qualify for the GP Final this year again. US men are not out of the woods by a long shot.
     
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  25. SkateFan66

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    In 2009, three US men qualified for the GP final: Lysacek, Weir, & Abbott.
     
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Note: I've moved the 2 Jason Brown article/interview links that were posted here to a new Jason Brown news thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...Paris-sensation-amp-other-articles-interviews

    An update on Ross Miner's injury was included at the beginning of the 11/14 edition of the "Inside Edge" blog:
     
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  27. centerpt1

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    It might be wise for a few of the US men to avoid the Quad in the short......unless the quad is a dead cert for them.
     
  28. reese

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    Jason Brown needs to be on that Olympic team. The international judges have made that perfectly clear.
     
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    And the crowd at TEB really loved Jason :))) (me included:)
     
  30. casken

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    I was just thinking that if Brown can get 85 without one, Abbott should be able to pull a few points better than that and be near 90.

    The team needs to be two of Abbott, Rippon, Brown. They are clearly our best three skaters.

    Watch it be Aaron and Miner though. :slinkaway