U.S. Men news & updates - 2013-14 season

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. unicorn

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    Abbott's jumps!:kickass: If he lands them, that's a thing of beauty, big, high, springy, and think about he's 28.
    Adam Rippon is also impressive. Last year, I thought he's done, and then he came back strong this season. So many surprises this season.
     
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  2. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    The post run-through practice was something to behold. Everyone was landing quads left and right. Noticeably Oda. I saw Abbott land a gorgeous one but he also popped most of his other attempts.
     
  3. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

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    Here are my thoughts from the K&C: (copied & pasted verbatim)



    As for Jeremy Abbott, I didn't like the music at first, then it gradually got to me, mainly because Jeremy Abbott can make something out of nothing. The way he moves and expresses the music is pure delight & poetry. Btw, love his gloves, lol. :D

    Ross Miner was a surprising delight to me. I had forgotten how smooth of a skater he is, and I liked his sp music way more than I did Jeremy's. :)

    Joshua Farris is also a smooth skater that expresses the music very well (shades of Jeremy Abbott in the FS). However, I was disappointed not to see any jumps for his SP and only a few late in his FS, but I can see why, he totally popped the 3R at the end and had a weird fall doing nothing whilst getting ready to skate backwards. Still, I really enjoyed his FS to "Schindler's List", it enraptured me. Can definitely see this as a masterpiece. :cool:

    All in all it's going to be a dogfight at Nationals judging by these three smooth and musical skaters, not to mention there's Jason Brown, Adam Rippon, and of course the quadster Max Aaron. :smokin:
     
  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Here is the updated Senior international scores list after Skate Canada.

    I can add some video links (waiting for Men's FS from British Eurosport) later; NBC is scheduled to broadcast Skate Canada this afternoon (check your local listings); Johnny Weir will be one of the commentators.

    Senior Men International Total Scores:

    Total Score, Name, SP Score, FS Score, International Event:
    241.24 Adam Rippon 80.26 + 160.98 Skate America, 2nd
    239.21 Max Aaron 81.49 + 157.72 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    238.36 Max Aaron 75.91 + 162.45 Skate America, 3rd
    231.03 Jason Brown 83.78 + 147.25 Skate America, 5th
    228.43 Jason Brown 79.41 + 149.02 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    225.54 Stephen Carriere 77.48 + 148.06 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    216.72 Joshua Farris 69.14 + 147.58 Skate Canada, 5th
    215.95 Jeremy Abbott 74.58 + 141.37 Skate Canada, 6th

    210.87 Ross Miner 74.28 + 136.59 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    206.71 Richard Dornbush 65.82 + 140.89 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    206.56 Joshua Farris 71.85 + 134.71 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    199.31 Douglas Razzano 71.89 + 127.42 Finlandia Trophy, 6th
    196.89 Ross Miner 66.71 + 130.18 Skate Canada, 9th
    191.91 Grant Hochstein 63.29 + 128.62 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Short Program Scores:

    SP Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any)
    83.78 Jason Brown 44.85 + 38.93 - 0.00 Skate America, 2nd
    81.49 Max Aaron 44.57 + 36.92 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    80.26 Adam Rippon 43.23 + 37.03 - 0.00 Skate America, 3rd
    79.41 Jason Brown 43.38 + 36.03 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    77.48 Stephen Carriere 42.89 + 34.59 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    75.91 Max Aaron 41.37 + 35.54 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    74.58 Jeremy Abbott 35.30 + 39.28 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    74.28 Ross Miner 38.11 + 37.17 - 1.00 Nepela Trophy, 3rd
    71.89 Douglas Razzano 39.02 + 33.87 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 3rd
    71.85 Joshua Farris 37.67 + 34.18 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    69.14 Joshua Farris 33.11 + 36.03 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    66.71 Ross Miner 32.15 + 36.56 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 10th

    65.82 Richard Dornbush 29.45 + 36.37 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 8th
    63.29 Grant Hochstein 33.13 + 31.16 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Free Skate Scores:

    FS Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any)
    162.45 Max Aaron 90.47 + 72.98 - 1.00 Skate America, 2nd
    160.98 Adam Rippon 79.90 + 82.08 - 1.00 Skate America, 3rd
    157.72 Max Aaron 81.88 + 75.84 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    157.70 Jeremy Abbott 74.20 + 84.50 - 1.00 Japan Open (FS only)
    149.02 Jason Brown 73.80 + 72.22 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    148.06 Stephen Carriere 76.88 + 73.18 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    147.58 Joshua Farris 74.80 + 73.78 - 1.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    147.25 Jason Brown 68.69 + 79.56 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    141.37 Jeremy Abbott 65.59 + 77.78 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 6th
    140.89 Richard Dornbush 66.73 + 75.16 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    136.59 Ross Miner 61.09 + 75.50 - 0.00 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    134.71 Joshua Farris 57.37 + 78.34 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    130.18 Ross Miner 60.54 + 69.64 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    128.62 Grant Hochstein 60.94 + 69.68 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th
    127.42 Douglas Razzano 59.58 + 68.84 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 7th

    To come:
    Cup of China: Dornbush
    NHK Trophy: Aaron, Abbott, Rippon
    TEB: Brown, Miner
    Rostelecom Cup: Dornbush, Farris
     
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  5. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

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    Well it looks like Aaron & Rippon are leading with Jason Brown close on their heels. :) But as we all know statistics means nothing when it comes to making the Olympic Team. Anything, and I mean anything can happen, statistics be damned! :kickass:

    altius, citius, fortius
     
  6. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    I'd much rather Jason or even Joshua went to Sochi then Max or Adam. Time to look to the future. Max is lost when his quads aren't there and Adam to me just lack something.
     
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    watchthis!! Active Member

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    Wow, thanks for compiling these lists! Very interesting to see all the scores back to back.
     
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Here is the updated Senior international scores list after Cup of China.

    Edited to add link to Dornbush's Cup of China FS (Russian commentary): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYuNeTeuLg4
    Jumps: 4T< fall, 3S (-1.40; planned quad), 3A / [6 triples landed in 2nd half] 3S+2T, 3A+3T, 3Lz+2T+2Lo, 3F, 3Lo.

    From Skate Canada last week:
    Abbott's SP (British Eurosport): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsfSo4vqj9M (first 4T landed in his short since 2008 Worlds?)
    Farris' FS (no commentary): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsygOJRfMXQ (4T fall, 6 of 7 triples landed)

    Senior Men International Total Scores:

    Total Score, Name, SP Score, FS Score, International Event:
    241.24 Adam Rippon 80.26 + 160.98 Skate America, 2nd [#5 on ISU SB list]
    239.21 Max Aaron 81.49 + 157.72 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    238.36 Max Aaron 75.91 + 162.45 Skate America, 3rd [#7 on ISU SB list]
    231.03 Jason Brown 83.78 + 147.25 Skate America, 5th [#10 on ISU SB list]
    228.43 Jason Brown 79.41 + 149.02 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    225.54 Stephen Carriere 77.48 + 148.06 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    218.57 Richard Dornbush 72.58 + 145.99 Cup of China, 5th
    216.72 Joshua Farris 69.14 + 147.58 Skate Canada, 5th
    215.95 Jeremy Abbott 74.58 + 141.37 Skate Canada, 6th
    210.87 Ross Miner 74.28 + 136.59 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    206.71 Richard Dornbush 65.82 + 140.89 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    206.56 Joshua Farris 71.85 + 134.71 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    199.31 Douglas Razzano 71.89 + 127.42 Finlandia Trophy, 6th
    196.89 Ross Miner 66.71 + 130.18 Skate Canada, 9th
    191.91 Grant Hochstein 63.29 + 128.62 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Short Program Scores:

    SP Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any)
    83.78 Jason Brown 44.85 + 38.93 - 0.00 Skate America, 2nd
    81.49 Max Aaron 44.57 + 36.92 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    80.26 Adam Rippon 43.23 + 37.03 - 0.00 Skate America, 3rd
    79.41 Jason Brown 43.38 + 36.03 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    77.48 Stephen Carriere 42.89 + 34.59 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    75.91 Max Aaron 41.37 + 35.54 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    74.58 Jeremy Abbott 35.30 + 39.28 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    74.28 Ross Miner 38.11 + 37.17 - 1.00 Nepela Trophy, 3rd
    72.58 Richard Dornbush 36.47 + 36.11 - 0.00 Cup of China, 6th
    71.89 Douglas Razzano 39.02 + 33.87 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 3rd
    71.85 Joshua Farris 37.67 + 34.18 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    69.14 Joshua Farris 33.11 + 36.03 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    66.71 Ross Miner 32.15 + 36.56 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 10th
    65.82 Richard Dornbush 29.45 + 36.37 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 8th
    63.29 Grant Hochstein 33.13 + 31.16 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th

    Senior Men International Free Skate Scores:

    FS Score, Name, TES, PCS, Deductions (if any)
    162.45 Max Aaron 90.47 + 72.98 - 1.00 Skate America, 2nd
    160.98 Adam Rippon 79.90 + 82.08 - 1.00 Skate America, 3rd
    157.72 Max Aaron 81.88 + 75.84 - 0.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 1st
    157.70 Jeremy Abbott 74.20 + 84.50 - 1.00 Japan Open (FS only)
    149.02 Jason Brown 73.80 + 72.22 - 0.00 Nebelhorn Trophy, 2nd
    148.06 Stephen Carriere 76.88 + 73.18 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 2nd
    147.58 Joshua Farris 74.80 + 73.78 - 1.00 Skate Canada, 4th
    147.25 Jason Brown 68.69 + 79.56 - 1.00 Skate America, 6th
    145.99 Richard Dornbush 76.61 + 70.38 - 1.00 Cup of China, 4th
    141.37 Jeremy Abbott 65.59 + 77.78 - 2.00 Skate Canada, 6th
    140.89 Richard Dornbush 66.73 + 75.16 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 4th
    136.59 Ross Miner 61.09 + 75.50 - 0.00 Nepela Trophy, 4th
    134.71 Joshua Farris 57.37 + 78.34 - 1.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 3rd
    130.18 Ross Miner 60.54 + 69.64 - 0.00 Skate Canada, 8th
    128.62 Grant Hochstein 60.94 + 69.68 - 2.00 U.S. International Figure Skating Classic, 4th
    127.42 Douglas Razzano 59.58 + 68.84 - 1.00 Finlandia Trophy, 7th

    To come:
    NHK Trophy: Aaron, Abbott, Rippon
    TEB: Brown, Miner
    Rostelecom Cup: Dornbush, Farris
     
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  10. johndockley92

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    Looks like getting to Sochi is going to be a challenge for Jeremy. While I don't expect him to lose to Carriere, beating three of Jason, Josh, Max, and Adam is not going to be a walk in the park.
     
  11. reese

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    It's still so wide open for those Olympic spots. No one is really making a major play for it so far on the GP. Nationals is going to be fascinating.

    I was worried after Jason's LP at Skate America that he really put himself in a difficult position to make the team, but having seen Abbott, Miner, Dornbush and Farris now, I'm not so sure. I think Adam did well at Skate America because there wasn't a huge expectation that he would; I anticipate he'll be under a larger amount of stress next week in Japan.
     
  12. bronwynsings

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    My dream team would be Jason and Adam, as they are my two favorite skaters and also the two seem more put together. If Max improves in his next event though and doesn't struggle as much as he did at SA, his chances are much greater, but nobody is a lock so far, and from what I've seen Jason and Adam just seem to be more secure.
     
  13. Iceman

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    Stephen Carriere is my dark horse pick.
     
  14. scheffie

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    My predictions for Nationals--Max, Jason, Adam, Joshua


     
  15. orbitz

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    I haven't been impressed with Dornbush since his silver medal win at Nationals two years ago. It seems like his skating is on the decline. Aside from the jumps issues, his programs are just blah.

    I think Adam is my favorite U.S. man so far this season. I haven't been a big fan of his in the past, but I like the attack he has shown this year. I hope he makes the Olympic team.
     
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Interview with Richard Dornbush published before Cup of China: http://skateguard1.blogspot.com/2013/10/interview-with-richard-dornbush.html
    Excerpt:
    On the NBC telecast today, Terry Gannon mentioned that Ricky will start at UCLA after this season.
     
  17. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Dornbush 2015!!!

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    Dornbush had great SP's for the last 3 seasons but no good LP to back it up. The LP's have been... :blah: after 2011 US Nats.

    I'd like to see him try Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" as a LP.
     
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  18. olympic

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    I think Dornbush has perhaps bitten off more than he can chew: going for 2 different quads in his programs and attending school full-time while maintaining a 4.0. He needs to give on his programs (I think his education matters more). Perhaps concentrate on a Quad Toe and that's it. Once he starts at UCLA, his time-crunch will only get worse and any travel time will become greater. Maybe, he will retire after this season to concentrate on school.
     
  19. purple skates

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    Jason is a beautiful skater, but unless he ups his technical from Skate America he will have a hard time being on the podium. His 3A just isn't that strong (or at least it wasn't at SKAM). If he does get that technical, he will definitely be a force to be reckoned with. He has plenty of time, though. How old is he - 18 or 19?
     
  20. aftershocks

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    ^^ Jason Brown will be 19 on December 15. Happy upcoming birthday, Jason!

    Good luck to all the U.S. men this season. :)
     
  21. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Re-posting from the Trash Can:
    ETA:
    He said in the interview excerpt I posted that he attended (community) college full-time this past spring, which seems to indicate he is part-time this fall. In any case, I admire him for balancing his college studies with training. Some skaters need to focus on non-skating things in order to maintain sanity in their lives. I'm not sure what you mean by "He needs to give on his programs"?
     
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  22. misskarne

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    It wasn't strong at SkAm, because he got nervous. When he's in the zone, it's beautiful. (See: Junior Worlds 2013). Jason will be 19 on December 15 and Joshua will be 19 just 22 days later.
     
  23. aftershocks

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    ^^ ITA.

    I already posted Jason's upcoming December birthdate. Thanks for adding that Josh is a December birthday boy too. :)


    ^^ ITA, and thanks Sylvia. Richard is a wonderful skater and I hope he continues to receive encouragement and support re his competitive prospects as a figure skater. Trying to train and consistently add quads to his arsenal seems to me to be the battle that Richard and many men skaters (nationally and internationally) have been going through especially over the past several years.

    I think it is not only difficult physically, but also mentally, strategically and logistically. Its been a confounding conundrum for fans and for skaters IMO. Even those men who seem to be able to fairly master the quad (some quite brilliantly a fair amount of the time) still face a battle with consistency, endurance and with balancing timing and rhythm effectively on some of their triple jumps whilst continuing to manage the quads. And that without even mentioning injuries that can/ will come with the territory.

    IMO, it would not be as difficult at this point had the sport as a whole decided many years ago (especially by 2002 with the advent of the new scoring system) exactly what quads should mean to the sport -- how they should be valued, and how the feds should support/ guide athletes in the best way to train them.
     
  24. misskarne

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    I saw it just after I posted! :) And Josh is a January boy - the 6th. But I always find it amusing that they are only three weeks apart!
     
  25. lmarie086

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    Some great points here! I too am still a big fan of Richard. Sure it's frustrating to not see him put it all together regularly, but I think it will happen. He has a good coaching team behind him, and IMO they're doing well with him. I think it's better that he's trying to add the quads into his arsenal now than later in his career. The quads might trip him up now, but I think he'll be used to them being a normal part of his competitive pieces in the future.
     
  26. pinky166

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    Josh has the same birthday as RadioNova. Funny because they both won JW the same year!
     
  27. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't have 1 quad under control (4toe) and hasn't for the last two seasons. Now, he's attempting 2 different quads. IMO, he should dial it back a little, focus on the better one, and try for a cleaner performance. The judges like his skating enough to reward him highly if he goes clean.
     
  28. clairecloutier

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    I'm really questioning the 2-quad strategy for a lot of guys at this point, not just Dornbush. So many guys are starting their LPs with 2 quad attempts, and in many cases missing both of them. I think recovering from 1 failed quad is hard, but when you start off bombing 2 in a row, it's just like, wow, how do you climb out of this hole? It definitely affects the performance. And also if you triple out of one of the quads, it sometimes causes problems with the jump layout in the rest of the program (i.e., having to add in a combo where you didn't plan one, that sort of thing).

    I think attempting 2 quads at the start is good if you have a high success ratio, like Fernandez, Reynolds, and Chan. But if you don't, I question the strategy.
     
  29. Skittl1321

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    Unless their coaches are telling them that it is better to fall on two rotated quads than not do them at all? But how often are they rotating?
    And if the people you named are doing 3 quads, then maybe they think not even trying for 2 takes your name out of the game completely?
     
  30. aftershocks

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    Well, most of the men internationally these days rarely skate two clean programs at any event, despite the often high scores handed out. ITA that the U.S. men need to concentrate on getting in one quad per program cleanly before trying to unload on two, aside from Max of course. Max I suppose may end up having to concentrate less on PCS in order to ensure he steadies his quads and gets the tech scores. I give Max lots of credit though for the strides he has made in smoothing out his presentation -- but he needs to go clean because he's not getting a great deal of respect on PCS unlike some other skaters who are mainly good jumpers who are being overscored on PCS.

    Adam is looking good with the right amount of intensity and focus. He seemed a bit nervous in his NHK sp, but he handled it well. I think Adam was very underscored on PCS in his NHK sp.

    Jeremy is a beautiful skater, but I'm not feeling much spark in his new sp this season. It was nice to see him skate fairly well, but that quad seems so elusive (that confounding quad that I wish would just go away so I could enjoy watching men's figure skating again).

    Well since the the quad isn't going away, I'll try to look forward to enjoying the few and far between complete programs beautifully executed by accomplished skaters (and pray for some magic as the season continues to progress).