U.S. Men news & updates - 2013-14 season

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Senior men's scores (160+) from summer competitions known to date (any Senior B or JGP assignment included):

    242.29 Jason Brown (Glacier Falls) - Nebelhorn Trophy
    222.65 Max Aaron (Vail Invitational) - Salt Lake Sr. B
    214.75 Grant Hochstein (Skate Detroit)
    213.09 Richard Dornbush (Glacier Falls)
    212.28 Shotaro Omori (Glacier Falls) - JGP Slovakia
    210.06 Vincent Zhou (Glacier Falls)
    208.73 Stephen Carriere (Boston Open exh.) - Salt Lake
    200.07 Keegan Messing (Seattle Ice Fest exh.)
    190.88 Timothy Dolensky (Skate Detroit)
    181.97 Brandon Mroz (Glacier Falls)
    177.08 Douglas Razzano (Glacier Falls)
    175.41 Joshua Farris (Vail Invitational) - Salt Lake
    166.79 Lukas Kaugars (Vail Invitational)
    163.02 Scott Dyer (Glacier Falls)
    160.14 Philip Warren (LA Open)

    Ross Miner scored 76.09 in his SP at Cranberry Open but I don't know his exact FS score (131 or 133, according to ioana's post in Kiss and Cry) - he would be ranked either above or below Carriere. Miner is assigned to Ondrej Nepela.

    Senior B competitions still to be assigned: Finlandia Trophy (Oct. 4-6), Cup of Nice (Oct. 23-27), Ice Challenge in Austria (Nov. 19-24).
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  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Junior Men's scores (139+) from summer competitions known to date (JGP assignment included):

    192.88 *Nathan Chen (Glacier Falls) - JGP Mexico
    162.94 *Jordan Moeller (Glacier Falls) - JGP Latvia
    159.72 *Brian Krentz (Liberty) - JGP Poland
    154.31 Patrick Rupp (Liberty)
    146.96 *Spencer Howe (Glacier Falls) - JGP TBA
    145.18 *Tomoki Hiwatashi (Skate Detroit) - JGP Mexico
    144.05 Daniel Kulenkamp (MN State)
    143.86 Chase Belmontes (Santa Fe Skate Fest)
    143.77 Ben Jalovick (Roseville Open)
    141.37 *Nix Phengsy (Glacier Falls) - JGP Slovakia
    139.34 *Jimmy Ma (Liberty) - JGP Latvia

    * = listed in USFS' International Selection Pool
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  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Another article on Ross Miner's "Boston Strong" free skate: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/08/23/ross-miner-boston-marathon-tribute/2694299/
    Excerpt:
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    I hope it bombs.
  7. aftershocks

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    ^^ Pun intended? :rolleyes:


    :lol: Then I wonder what you thought/ think about Plushenko's programs (he has generally tended to use his legs and feet while skating way more than his upper body). It doesn't make Plush a bad skater, just a skater with a different approach that has worked very well for him. Plus Plush has been trying to evolve more with his skating. Unfortunately for Plush, the pounding his body has endured over the years has taken its toll. Still, Plush is IRONMAN in his determination.

    Jeremy may sometimes be awkward and goofy off the ice. We all have our awkward moments. Personally, I have never found any of Jeremy Abbott's programs to be awkward. More like graceful, musical, imaginative, compelling, mesmerizing, and masterful. IMO, Jeremy Abbott and Jason Brown are two fantastic figure skaters who always use their entire bodies, not to mention their hearts and their creative imaginations (in concert with their choreographers) in making magic on ice.
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  8. vocal

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    So do I. Cousins + Abbott = must be terrific! Although I would have preferred the first music choice since Savchenko/Szolkovy and Menshov just recently skated to Lillies Of The Valley. However, I am excited what the two of them do with that music.
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  9. vocal

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    ITA! Kudos for trying new things! I personally do like even the SPY and the Flamenco program. Whereas SWING KIDS is my favorite.
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    A-ha! No wonder this music sound somewhat familiar. It suddenly dawned on me that I actually saw Menshov skating to this live at NRW Trophy last year and remembered being so impressed by him and his music choices. Found them to be very different from what is out there like a welcoming breath of fresh air. It was the first time I saw Menshov (or even heard of this skater) but I remember coming away with a good strong impression thinking why isn't he above Artur Gachinski (which I have also seen live at the world championships but were less impressed with). It really is man and boy. I figured it might be down to some federation politics? I can be wrong though.... I am just another outsider looking in based on a few snap shots of impressions.

    Jeremy is one of the most musically interesting skaters out there who has never been afraid to push himself, together Robin who has a strong grasp of conceiving skating program holistically the 6.0 way, I expect nice bit of magic from them this season.

    Over use of upper body movement actually doesn't bother in the 'spy' program because it fulfills the creative vision of the program with purpose and not bit of flaff for no other reason than trying to win points or time wasting (ahem.. yes Morozov). Given 'Spy' was designed as a comedic poke of the 80s/90s of excess and silliness. Imagine Madonna being told her 'Vogue' has too much unnecessary hands movements around the face if we are truly to judge it as a dance, then well... it kind of misses the whole point doesn't it.

    I suppose the the history, culture and school of thinking around what can be construed as 'good skating' tends to encourage a balanced approach that satisfies within certain parameters of the status norm. I wonder if by adhere to this standard, it mean when things are out of the norm (like too much of something, too little of something) can be considered as 'ill conceived'. If so, it would be discouraging to me as a fan of the artistry of skating, who likes to see more freedom, extremism and experimentation at play, that can push the envelopes even at the risk of failing. There are far too many templates/formulaic programs out there that may falls within the safe parameters of 'expectation' and 'respectability'. So strong are this conservatism, I wonder if IJS have unwittingly prejudice against anything that dares to try something different. Otherwise, how else are you going to explain everyone's choices this Olympic season of tried and tested programs and failing to realize the greatness that is V&M's Carmen last season. At the biggest events, you are suppose to show your best in this unique blend sport and art. Bests these days under the COP are mostly following tried, tested old programs and music genres. No creativity, no imagination. The death of art.
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  11. Jun Y

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    Since this is a thread about US Men, it would not be appropriate for me to get into a discussion about Plushenko here, but if you want to know what I think about him you can PM me.
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    I'm hoping maybe we'll see it as a show program. Pretty please??? "Satan Takes a Holiday" from Robin Cousins is one of the best ever.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Looks like the 3A is back, even if he may not compete this season.

    Good morning. #DontCryForMeNewJersey @ Ice House Skate Rink http://t.co/d7AtzoUzlV
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  15. BittyBug

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    Wheeeeee! for Johnny. :respec:
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  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Razzano skated to "Clair de Lune" last night and landed 3A, fell on 4T, and his combo in 2nd half was 3T+3T. Maybe the second deduction was for time? (The link to the Golden West live stream is posted in both the TV Alerts and Kiss and Cry forums.)
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    Don't understand why he always does the 3T+3T. Why not do a 3Z+3T or 3F+3T and get more points?
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    I am interested in seeing this program from Ross because it sounds like it has the potential to be a memorable and powerful program. On the other hand, I have also had very negative reactions to some programs that attempt concepts and fail (some of the Schindler's List programs have that effect on me). If "Boston Strong" was approved at Champs Camp, though, that might be a good sign.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Nathan Chen's winning JGP Mexico SP to "Summer" & "Winter" from Vivaldi's Four Seasons, choreographed by Nadia Kanaeva (74.22): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk8kzywx71g
    Chen landed 2A with 3Lz+3T & 3Lo in 2nd half, had level 4 on footwork & on 2 of his 3 spins.

    Unfortunately, 2013 U.S. Novice champ Tomoki Hiwatashi had to withdraw from his first JGP (via USFS' tweet) "due to a left ankle injury sustained in practice."
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  22. caseyedwards

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    His injury that took Chen out last season is the reason he has dropped the 3a?
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    Probably can't do a 3lz-3t or 3f-3t consistently, so does 3t-3t instead of 3lz-2t or 3f-2t because it's worth a little more points. If I had to guess. He probably gets an edge call on either 3f or 3lz and then the other jump isn't a good jump for him.
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    Every time I watch Nathan Chen's skating I'm blown away all over again by his effortless bi-directional skating. The only other current skater who can do this is Satoko Miyahara. They're so ambidextrous. Also his final combination spin is fanTAbulous!
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  25. YukiNieve

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    TSL tweeted:

    I am so shocked. He is such a gifted skater. Wish him a speedy and complete recovery.
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    When I heard he was trying 3A at 12 and trying sr events I was worried. :(
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    Wow - so expressive for such a youngster and his skating is exquisitely fluid. :swoon:
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    Wow Nathan Chen looks great. He is showing good awareness of line and extension already. His expression has always been ahead of his age too. Very impressed.

    So sad for Vincent Zhou.... Hoping for a speedy and good recovery.
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    ITA. What a naive comparison from a man his age.
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    Pissing off the Russians would have little effect, if any, on his career. imo I doubt "the Russians" care what Farris has to say about the matter. Most probably don't even know who he is.
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    From Vincent Zhou's official website:

    http://govincentzhou.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/to-my-fans-and-supporters/
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    ITA! Nathan has done a lot of ballet in the past, and I assume he still takes some lessons even if it's just at the rink, but it has done him wonders. He may be the smallest guy out there but his skating was really in a different league from the rest of the men, the only one who came close was Lazukin from Russia who has improved tremendously since last season. And actually, I thought it looked like Nathan had grown at least a little bit, his legs seemed longer and overall he seemed sturdier compared to last season. Hopefully that Osgood-Schlatter stuff is not hampering him any longer, his talent is exceptional!

    Sad about Zhou, he's another one-of-a-kind. But where he's growing quickly, still 12 and tiny, and was trying for 3a, tano on other triples, and competing as a senior man when he isn't even old enough for the JGP, I was afraid he was taking on too much too soon. Nathan's team seems to be doing a good job in regards to that, with Chen returning to the JGP and staying in juniors at Nationals for a 3rd year after suffering injuries last season and still being small and ineligible for senior ISU championships. I get when a kid has that much talent and ambition it's hard to hold them back, but sometimes, they are better off that way. Hope Zhou gets better soon!
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    I think there are several reasons. It appears to me that Nathan is finally growing so that's probably part of it. Also I notice that Nathan's sit spins are not as low as they used to be. Besides his injuries last year, his website at one point mentioned he was dealing with Osgood-Schlatter's disease (that announcement is not there anymore). I'm guessing the sit-spins and the missing 3axel are part of dealing with the Osgood-Schlatter's until he reaches his full growth.
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    Oh, poor Vincent. :( I hope the surgery will go well and take care of the issue for good.
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    Zhou's only 12...how awful to have that kind of injury at his age!

    Makes you think that pushing for 3As young isn't such a good thing.
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    TSL tweeted that they heard Zhou had an ACL injury. However, per the statement on Zhou's website, he is having surgery to correct a congenital defect with his knee:

    "I am sad to announce that I will take a break from skating to fix a previously unknown medical disadvantage with my knee I have had since birth that makes me more prone to injury. I will undergo surgery. This is a tough decision, but I will be more injury-free and worry-free by getting it taken care of right now."
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    I wonder what kind of medical disadvantage? I guess it's probably a good thing that they're able to fix it now, before he starts growing and it causes real trouble. I hope he recovers quickly :)
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    Nathan not doing the 3axel at this stage of his career might be the best thing that could happen to him. He doesn't need it in the JGP and it lets him grow and get stronger so when he's grown out of the Osgood-Schlatter's disease he can do the jump again and be more prepared then before.
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    It's amazing that Nathan with just a double axel in the short program can beat or score as high as skaters who have a solid triple A and who are older than him. A very promising young talent.:)
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    Agree. And as for not needing a 3a to be competitive on the JGP....if you can skate and spin as well as Jason Brown or Nathan Chen then, no, you don't need it, but I would argue most of the other guys do because their spins and overall skating are nowhere near the level of those two.