U.S. Men 2012-13 pre-season news & updates

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, May 13, 2012.

  1. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

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    I see that Ricky won Golden West with around 210 pts., and I couldn't watch the Livestream last night. Does anyone have any PBP on what he did in the LP? From the math, he scored around 139 pts. or so. Thx!
     
  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Dornbush's jumps were 4T fall, 4T fall, 3A very good, 'Rippon' 2Lz+3T, 1A, 3Lo, 3F, 3S.
    (ETA: Someone has posted impressions of the Senior Men's FS in the Golden West thread in Kiss and Cry.)

    Finlandia Trophy entries were published online today and Dornbush is one of the U.S. entries, along with Weir.
     
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  3. olympic

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    Thanks, Sylvia. Don't have access to K & C yet. Sad to hear that he's having trouble with the 4T and hope this gets resolved soon! Any chatter as to why he's having the difficulty? Besides that, it looks like he only had a problem with scaling down a couple of jumps.

    Does Finlandia mean no Regionals for him? Frankly, I'm a fan of his, but I think it'd be a good idea to send someone else to Finlandia that doesn't have 2 GP assignments already ....
     
  4. legjumper

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    He's rotating the quad, just wasn't able to land it in competition at Golden West. He did do a nice one in the LP warmup.

    Finlandia is a week before Regionals, so I assume that means he now gets a bye for that. Look at it this way, with Dornbush out of Regionals, that gives another SWP man the chance to advance to Sectionals and ultimately Nationals.
     
  5. pinky166

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    Just a random question, but has the TBA host slot in the men's event at Skate America been filled yet/if not, do you know when the deadline is to do so? Is it going to Lysacek? I thought he was injured, but also, idk if he's even allowed to compete on the GP this season? Not entirely sure of the rules. If not Evan, I would assume the spot will go to Armin who was 4th at Nationals and has been skating well this summer and standing up on a lot of 4ts, but I guess Messing, Aaron, and Mroz are probably also in consideration for the spot...
     
  6. SkateFan66

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    It was announced on August 10th that Evan would be competing at Skate America.


    U.S. Figure Skating International Assignments/Results Page: http://www.usfsa.org/Athletes.asp?id=216
     
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  7. crzesk8dad

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    Yes, no regionals this year for Richard. Actually it was due to his having 2 GP assignments, which appears to be a recent organizational or rule change.
     
  8. pinky166

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    Okay thanks. But isn't Lysacek injured currently? I'm still shocked USFS picked Razzano over Mahbanoozadeh to be perfectly honest...
     
  9. aftershocks

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    ^^ Does Doug have a reliable quad? Are there other results factors we are unaware of? Do they like Doug's programs better than Armin's? It seems USFS also preferred Ricky over Armin too for 4CC when Armin clearly should have been selected after 2012 Nats.
     
  10. AJ Skatefan

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    I really don't get why Armin is getting snubbed.
     
  11. merrywidow

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    I don't have any explanation as to why Razzano over Armin but I can tell you that Doug's programs at Golden West were hot messes. He's got a lot of work to do before Skate America.
     
  12. valyrian

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    I'm afraid Armin won't have a chance to rack up international points this season other than an early season senior B. :(
     
  13. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    That was my first thought, too.

    It wouldn't have made a difference because the 5th place SWP Regional Senior men's finisher would advance to Pacific Coast Sectionals due to the fact that Dornbush's Rostelecom Cup GP assignment gives him a bye through Pacific Coast Sectionals to 2013 Nationals.

    It's fair to say that Razzano's SP was a "hot mess" at Golden West, but he did land 6 triples including his first 3A (he popped his 2nd and didn't attempt 4T) to finish 2nd in the FS (scored 123.26). I liked his new Queen Symphony program at first viewing and look forward to seeing it further developed and refined this season.
     
  14. pinky166

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    Maybe Razzano was given the SA host pick because USFS knew he had no chance of getting a GP invite on his own whereas for Armin there was a slight chance he could, but it just didn't end up working out. Anyway, hope Armin doesn't get discouraged from not getting assigned to 4CC or SA and continues his upward build we saw him display since his move to CO Springs.
     
  15. Lara

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    Really seems unfair given his placement at Nats. :(
     
  16. olympic

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    ^Hopefully, Armin will get one of he remaining Senior B competitions this season.

    It's beyond my comprehension that someone who has shown such improvement (Vail Open - executing a Quad; 4th at '12 Nats), and been shafted once already by not being selected for 4CC's would continue to be ignored. I hope USFSA officials lurk here and see the error of their ways :p
     
  17. pinky166

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    It's tough for Armin but he's actually in the same situation as a lot of other guys in the US. There are simply a lot of talented skaters competing in the US right now, we have the same issue in ladies, but the difference is that the girls usually get to the senior level at a younger age and therefore can compete on the JGP for a couple to several years while competing domestically as a senior, while for the men, once they age out of the JGP, a lot of them are out of luck in regards to international assignments, as even getting senior Bs is tough. Messing, Aaron, and Mroz all are talented skaters who have had pretty impressive results at Nationals themselves (not talking this year in particular) but also find themselves without any GP assignments, and that's not including the other talented men who are similarly talented by lack the quads and consistent 3As like Cassar, Hochstein, and Dyer who also haven't gotten internationals since aging out of juniors.
     
  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Scott Dyer (10th at 2012 U.S. Nationals with a total score of 207.97) and Jonathan Cassar (11th at Nationals, 207.75) have never competed on the JGP. Cassar has competed in a Senior B the last 2 seasons - 2010 Finlandia Trophy (7th) and 2011 Ondrej Nepela Memorial (4th).

    Grant Hochstein (12th at Nationals, 206.23) competed at 2010 Finlandia (4th) and Skate Canada (10th), as well as at 2011 Nepela (5th). He has shown improvement on his 3A consistency in summer competitions and is scheduled to compete at the Middle Atlantics club competition in NYC this weekend, along with Harrison Choate.

    ETA:
    U.S. men with Senior B assignments so far:
    Ross Miner (3rd at Nationals) - Salt Lake City
    Armin Mahbanoozadeh (4th) - Salt Lake City
    Max Aaron (8th) - Salt Lake City
    Timothy Dolensky (2nd in Junior) - Salt Lake City
    Stephen Carriere (6th) - Nebelhorn
    Keegan Messing (7th) - Nebelhorn
    Johnny Weir - Finlandia
    Richard Dornbush (13th) - Finlandia

    Remaining Senior Bs listed on USFS' Assignments page are Cup of Nice (France) and Ice Challenge (Graz, Austria).
     
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  19. pinky166

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    Oh, thanks for the clarification, I thought Dyer and Cassar had both competed on the JGP but I guess I was wrong! And I didn't realize that many men were going to the Salt Lake City event but I'm glad they are! Hopefully Armin and Keegan get assigned to Coupe de Nice or Ice Challenge, I feel like those 2 deserve it most!
     
  20. mgobluegirl

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    IIRC, Cassar also competed in Coupe de Nice when the US Senior Collegiate medalists were offered the opportunity to compete internationally, paying their own way (I believe it was Coupe de Nice, but it could have been a different event).
     
  21. Marco

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    Maybe he will learn to skate better at the internationals the next time he gets assigned to one - the SLC senior B.
     
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  22. Marco

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    I didn't realize Mroz has no assignments so far. Maybe his "focus on one difficult trick and nothing else for each performance" strategy is not working out so well, especially since he isn't successful with his difficult trick.
     
  23. kwanfan1818

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    Mroz is 42nd on the SB list, just one spot and .09 below Mahbahnoozadeh.
     
  24. olympic

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    The fact that Mroz has the raw talent of a good jumper - quick, tight rotations and is capable of handling good choreography -Sandra Bezic's OTW- shows if he chose to focus on all aspects of his skating (not just focusing on being the daredevil) he'd be a serious threat to all the top US men and mentioned in the same breathe as Rippon, Miner, etc. But, he's not.
     
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Yes, it's listed in his bio I linked to earlier - 7th at 2008 Coupe de Nice.

    And Mroz placed 14th at 2012 Nationals, right behind Dornbush.
     
  26. pinky166

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    But Dornbush had a higher SB, respectable 205+ and right out of the top 24, and his WS was in the top 24 so that's why he has international assignments. He probably would have only gotten one had Farris, Yan, and Brown who were all garaunteed a senior GP event each hadn't all chosen to stay junior another year but they did so spots opened up and Ricky got 2.
     
  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Not sure why you quoted me since Dornbush getting 2 GPs didn't surprise me at all. It's his extra Senior B assignment (Finlandia) that I was questioning earlier.
     
  28. pinky166

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    I think to get him out of competing at sectionals (or regionals?) one of the two because he doesn't have a bye from them due to his nationals placement.
     
  29. leapfrogonice

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    I think Finlandia will be a fascinating competition. The US men (Ricky and Johnny) have such contrasting styles. The top international competitors in the field will provide a great measuring stick as well. In particular, I am referring to Yuzuru and Javier.

    With Brandon, have not really seen him skate in shows either. Must be very difficult to stay enthusiastic given his current trajectory. Unique jumping prodigy but the density of competition is so tough, seems like one has to have much more across the board.
     
  30. Sylvia

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    Armin Mahbanoozadeh headlines this preview for the Salt Lake Senior B competition which starts today: http://www.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120913&content_id=38358976&vkey=ice_news
     
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