U.S. Men 2012-13 news, updates & general discussion

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  1. Sylvia

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    Gardena looks like a "makeup" competition for Rippon and Mroz, both of whom had to withdraw from their last competition due to injury. Rippon lost the chance to improve his Season Best total score and gain ISU World Standings ranking points at Four Continents (Dornbush, his replacement at 4CC, subsequently passed him on both lists), while Mroz was originally scheduled to go to Challenge Cup with Alex Johnson. Glad to see USFS being so proactive! :D
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  2. misskarne

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    If Rippon is going to this one, I would assume he's not going to WTT?

    When do they have to announce the WTT entries?
  3. Sylvia

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  4. Sylvia

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    2013 Gardena Spring Trophy Senior Men's final top 4:
    1 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 228.63 1 2
    2 Adam RIPPON USA 219.16 3 1 (he received 225 ISU WS ranking points)
    3 St├Ęphane WALKER SUI 193.71 4 3
    4 Brandon MROZ USA 190.26 2 5 (he received 182 WS points)

    ETA Gardena podium pic via Twitter:
    Senior Men (L to R: Rippon, Kozuka, Stephane Walker SUI)

    FS top 5:
    1 Adam RIPPON USA 155.52 74.18 81.34 8.08 7.92 8.25 8.17 8.25 0.00 #10
    2 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 147.45 70.45 79.00 8.00 7.67 7.83 8.17 7.83 2.00 #9
    3 St├Ęphane WALKER SUI 130.96 62.96 68.00 7.00 6.50 7.08 6.75 6.67 0.00 #11
    4 Abzal RAKIMGALIYEV KAZ 125.74 57.56 68.18 6.75 6.42 6.92 7.08 6.92 0.00 #13
    5 Brandon MROZ USA 121.42 51.42 71.00 7.08 6.92 7.08 7.25 7.17 1.00 #12
    Protocols: http://application.fisg.it/results/3081/23Gard_SeniorMen_FS_Scores.pdf

    Rippon wrote a short blog for his site before he left for Italy and mentioned that he had started jumping again 2 weeks ago after recovering from the ankle injury that forced his WD from Four Continents. He debuted a new long program today to Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun, choreographed by Tom Dickson. 2 photos from today's FS:
    Beginning(?) pose: http://imgur.com/fY0OIip
    End pose: http://imgur.com/yYx85PP

    2013 Gardena Spring Trophy Junior Men's podium photo (L to R: Shu Nakamura, Jordan Moeller, Jimmy Ma)
    1 Jordan MOELLER USA 195.67 1 1
    2 Shu NAKAMURA JPN 163.82 5 2
    3 Jimmy MA USA 153.98 2 3
    FS:
    1 Jordan MOELLER USA 132.05 66.73 65.32 6.58 6.25 6.75 6.58 6.50 0.00 #6
    2 Shu NAKAMURA JPN 116.46 60.96 55.50 5.83 5.17 5.58 6.00 5.17 0.00 #5
    3 Jimmy MA USA 98.90 44.90 55.00 5.83 5.08 5.75 5.67 5.17 1.00 #9
    Moeller landed 7 triples: 3F, 2A, 3Lz+3T, 3Lo, 3Lz, 3F+2T+1Lo, 3S, 2A+2T.

    Vincent Zhou won the Novice Boy's gold medal with an impressive total score (153.55) and 7 triple FS (3S, Rippon 3Lz, 2A, 3Lo, 3F, 3F+2T, Rippon 3Lz+3T):
    1 Vincent ZHOU USA 105.09 58.26 46.83 6.67 6.25 6.67 6.42 0.00 #7
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  5. pinky166

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    Nice PCS for Adam...higher than Kozuka :eek:, the new program must be pretty great! Did he try a quad of any kind here?
    Zhou continues to be great, too bad he's still too young for JGP next season.
    Moeller much better than at Nationals but he won't go anywhere without a 3a, likely not even on the JGP, so hope that jump will be ready soon!
  6. Skittl1321

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    According to the protocol there was no quad, no 3A, and he had a lutz (!) combo <. But he did say on his blog this competition would not be about jumping. Kozuka did a 4t
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    Wow, amazing score considering! He must of gotten huge +GOE!
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    Looks like just 2 men tried a 4t; one fell and one nearly fell? Mroz looks to have planned a 4t to open his program but did a 3t instead. Adam did only 2A, no 3A. Can't wait to see this program; Tom Dickson always knocks it out of the park with his choreography and Adam has that flowing lyrical style that suits Dickson's choreography well.
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    I'm sure once Adam is no longer battling injury those 2As will be triples.
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    Looks like he's going for the Nijinsky style interpretation like Ilia Klimkin did. It should suit him well.

    Nice to see Rippon get strong PCS from an international panel despite the watered down jump content. Doubt it will make a difference with the US Nationals judges and their +5 PCS bonus for just standing up on a quad jump. :p
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    After Max's season I wouldn't be surprised if he gets PCS of almost 90 in the FS at Nationals next season :p. If Jeremy rocks it at WTT and gets his mojo back I assume Miner's components will fall back to Earth at Nationals though and Aaron and the vets (meaning Abbott and Lysacek if he shows up) will be the only ones getting hearty PCS boosts come Nats. Excited to see what pukeyface does at WTT...I hope he has another good season in him. I can't handle another great skater going the route of Verner :slinkaway
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  12. SkateFan66

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    Pukeyface? :rolleyes: Why such disrespect?
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    It's the "about to puke" expression that Abbott has waiting for a program to begin when his nerves get to him. There seems to be a direct correlation between his confidence -- ie facial expression -- and his performance.
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    Haha I like Jeremy it's just a nickname because his "I'm an arteest" face he has when he hits his starting pose for his programs always looks like he's nauseous and about to yack...hence pukeyface. It's not meant to be mean, sort of just something viewers have noticed over the years. It might be due to nerves too.
  15. Sylvia

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    ^Thanks, Sylvia. I watched his LP and it's a beauty. Now, he just needs the jumps ....

    Is he planning to stay with RA this season???
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    I'm sure that the jumps will come; as he continues to recover/regain his strength and confidence.
    It's a beautiful program with an amazing level of performance already!
  18. Marco

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    Sure - Adam's 3axel technique was much improved at Nationals.
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  19. pinky166

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    Ahh love Adam's new program. I honestly thought he was probably done and haven't been too impressed with his programs/artistry for a few seasons now but this program changes all that. Just lovely. Adam doing what he does best, being lyrical and pretty.
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    What a *perfect* program for him. Love it. :swoon:
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    Adam's new program is great. Feels a little rushed at this point but I'm sure it'll be a real beauty by the time next season rolls around. Hoping Rafael can help him get that 3axel into shape over the summer.
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    ^^ As already mentioned, Adam is recovering from an ankle injury, and it seems that is one of the reasons he's taking it easy on the jumps in the posted preview of his new long program. Is this the earliest debut ever for a new season's program I wonder? Adam's 3-axel was looking great at U.S. Nationals in January, and he's been working on developing quads too, therefore over the summer, he'll probably be further refining the 3-axel and training to get at least one quad under his belt in order to be competitive. I think most of all, it's cool to see Adam skating with confidence and great presence.


    Well, a poster in the Trash Can thread re Adam's new program feels that Adam's interpretation is not at all like Klimkin's after seeing the full video and not just the photos. I agree that Klimkin's and Adam's approaches to this music, as well as their styles are quite different. They both do have a similar move in the Mr. Frick squat glide with lean (I don't recall if there is a name for that move).

    I appreciate the differences in both approaches, and I like both interpretations. Obviously Adam's program is going to evolve further, but it's looking wonderful even at this early date, and he exhibits strength and confidence.
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    I totally missed the Icenetwork article about Tim Koleto dancing for Korea. That's a big change.
    It's great that he's interested in Korean culture
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    Here's Moeller's winning FS to Muse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S64RLerwk5k
    He skated a much better FS in Italy than at Nationals, while Jimmy Ma skated a much better FS at Nationals than in Italy.

    ETA:
    Moeller's entertaining first international competition blog for Team USA at Gardena: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130401&content_id=43600512&vkey=ice_news
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    Breaking news: Lysacek seeks to stay relevant without showing up at actual competitions.


    I'd love to see him make me eat my words. But I think he's been gone for a long time. With a lot of injuries. Does he plan to compete before nationals? It will be interesting to see how he does on the Grand Prix, if he bothers.
  30. misskarne

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    Oh, come on Lysacek, give it up already.

    Besides which I feel it is the height of arrogance to not even have competed in three years and then expect to just waltz in at Nationals and finish first or second.
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    I agree. Even if he were brilliant at Nationals, clean with (a) quad(s). That's still ONE competition in THREE YEARS of absence. I say he should not even be allowed to be considered for the Olympics if he does not compete in any competitions this fall. It's just not fair. One set of programs at one competition is what they would be basing their selection on if he were to show up at Nats and make the team. What a slap in the face to skaters who have been competing these past three years, working their butts off to do well and to have results in competition that support their case for making the Olympics rather than hurt it. There are around 10 guys at Nationals who have had a great competition in the past 3 years, and many of them will not even be considered for the team, but if Evan makes it only competing at Nationals, that's the comparable situation. Even if he's great, well okay, Jeremy was great at 2012 Nats, Ross was great at 2012 NHK, Josh was great at 2013 JWC and Nats, Jason was great at 2013 JWC, Armin was very good at 2012 Nats, Adam was very strong at 2012 Nats, Ricky was great at 2012 Finlandia, Max was great at 2013 Nats, etc. etc. It's not really fair
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  32. skatesindreams

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    It is the "height of arrogance" for any poster on a message board to make/assume competition/life decisions for any skater.
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    Last comp. of the 2012-13 season kicks off tonight/overnight - from the World Team Trophy thread:
    Men&#8217;s short &#8211; 3:35 a.m.
    Aaron: 4:02 a.m.
    Abbott: 4:48 a.m.

    ETA: (All times Eastern)
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  35. AJ Skatefan

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    I don't think your definition of "fair" enters into it. If Evan skates well and shows that he is one of the two best skaters the US has to enter in the Olympics, then he should go. He's allowed to try. It doesn't really matter how hard everybody else has been working. Whoever shows that they're the best, that's who should go.
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  37. MacMadame

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    Um, how can posters on a message board "make decisions" for a skater? Wow, I didn't know we had so much power. So, if I post it here, Aaron will skate to Mackelmore's Thrift Shop for his exhibition program next year? You heard it here first, folks - I've decided; make it so!
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    There are several posters here, who given what they have said in this thread, seem to believe that they possess that knowledge and influence.
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  40. MacMadame

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    I think they probably just don't express themselves well. Not to mention, the ignore feature is wonderful. ;)