U.S. Men 2012-13 news, updates & general discussion

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. query5

    query5 New Member

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    also surprised in an article that states evan want to win 2 olympic medals.
    unless he come back for real in competition i highly doubt it, with the 2 quads intact like states he has.
    didn't put one in olympics why should believe him now.
     
  2. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

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    Lol, yep, and now we Americans have OUR own "Quad King" in Max Aaron. :hat1:

    Btw, I've watched his FS again over on youtube (IN won't have it up until Tuesday ON DEMAND) and was blown way once again, and noticed things I mght've missed the first time, like that FAB 3T-1/2R-3S sequence, as well as ending with the 3R jump! :cool: But more than anything else I noticed how much Max reminds me of another long-time favorite of mine, Elvis Stojko, they're built similar and are T O U G H. 'nuff said :cool:

    What a joy it's going to be to watch Max over the years, my gosh he's only 20 yrs. old, just imagine what's ahead, WOW, and he's American, a big plus, we *finally* have our own "Quad King"...
     
  3. olympic

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    Max Aaron - Looking forward, I'm very happy that Max is going to 4CC's. He needs to test drive his skates in a high quality field that includes the Japanese and Canadian Men. It will be very interesting to see where he will place relative to the best in the world. I'm also glad that Tom Z has Max working with someone like Pasquale Camerlango, and he's not trying to handle his choreography *yikes*. But, there were quite a few throw-away moments in the choreography of WSS and too many stand-and-pose moments. Still, I do see some improvements.

    I think Max shouldn't pluck his eyebrows. Natural eyebrows would look better and compliment his strong facial features. Same goes for the hair ... small points, but they may matter in a situation where skaters are separated by 0.10.

    Ross Miner- I'm a believer and a fan of Ross Miner, now. He generates nice speed and has nice, powerful jumps. Congrats to him on strong performances and I hope it continues for Worlds and beyond.

    I think the US men have a legit shot at obtaining 3 spots for 2014.

    So much has been said re Jeremy Abbott that there is nothing that I could say or add to the conversation, besides that I think his best days are behind him. It's just maybe not meant to be.

    Joshua Farris has a bright future and I was sad that he was not able to land the Quad. I do hope this is not the start of a bad pattern, though.

    Hooray for Adam Rippon - Of all the competitors, he is one who stands out for having conquered a chronic problem (3x) and just looking like a different competitor. I think training w/ Rafael Arutunian has been the smartest move by any skater in these championships. So, I hope he can tackle a Quad next year.

    Richard Dornbush- I like the guy, but he seems to have some rotten luck. I hope it finally comes together for him.
     
  4. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    I saw the analogy too but didn't see it as a good thing.

    Between the lack of natural musicality, the rotten spins and the poor posture, one could tell he is a Tom Z student from ten blocks away.

    Still, he absolutely earned his World berth even though I would have given Miner the title instead. [ideally I would give the title to Miner and the silver to Farris]

    Fact: every time a Tom Z student goes to Worlds as a first time National champion, he or she places last amongst all US competitors.
     
  5. Sk8tn

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    That will work just fine, as long as the placements are 6 and 7 (or 5 and 8, etc.) :D
     
  6. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    He was recovering from an injury at the time and, what's more, didn't need one.

    It is apparent from his interview on NBC on Sunday that he has been paying attention to what skaters in other countries have been doing and is well aware that he does would need one next year. Also, people here on FSU posted links to videos of him doing quadruple jumps in practice last year, so he obviously did go back to training them after the Olympics.

    That said, if he isn't landing quadruple jumps in practice later this year, he probably won't go forward with his current plans to compete at next year's U.S. Nationals
     
  7. NadineWhite

    NadineWhite Well-Known Member

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    He plucks his eyebrows!?! :confused: I didn't know that. Now that's something Elvis Stojko definitely would *not* do. :yikes: :scream:

    Actually imho Max resembles pair skater Nathan Bartholomay to an uncanny degree, even their build is the same, and they both skated to "West Side Story". :)^)

    Here's hoping Max continues to work hard on his PCS, so by this time next year he has the whole package. But as of now he's got the other guys beat, those fully rotated perfect quads and triples are divine, no other American man can touch, and just think he does all 7 of those triples (including two 3axels) in the second half of the program for bonus points. Wow, unbelieveably difficult to do on tired legs, especially ending with that 3R jump. But more than anything else he has learned to tame "the beast" (his words). :cool:
     
  8. PinkFeathers

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    Not sure what you're trying to imply here, but ummm. Plucking ones eyebrows doesn't mean anything other than they care about their appearance.
     
  9. luenatic

    luenatic Well-Known Member

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    Alexander Johnson is amazing. I hope he'll get some international assignment(s) next year.
     
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  10. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Very nice jumping - love the 3lutz half loop 3flip!
     
  11. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    He can actually skate to the music. Something Goebel has never managed. :p

    Don't blame the choreographer for the fact that Max doesn't have good basics and has never even remotely paid attention to the music so far. A choreographer can't get blood out of the stone.

    You mad? He looked like an Orangutan until he FINALLY sorted his eyebrows.

    His huge, bushy, dark eyebrows used to completely swamp his face.

    God, you're unbelievably sexist and narrow-minded.
     
  12. aftershocks

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    My favorite skates 2013 Nats mens event:

    Jeremy Abbott sp, plus his beautiful moves (not counting mistakes) in fp

    Max "Jet" Aaron
    sp: Tron Legacy Daft Punk, "You're the One"
    fp: West Side Story "You're the gold medal kid with the heavyweight crown. Yeah!"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exGJsv6ZNlo "Jet Song"

    Ross "The Boss" Miner sp and fp (I love Tom Dickson!)

    Adam "AdaRipp" Rippon sp and fp (What a cool layback spin :cool: And that 3-axel -- I love Rafael Arutunian!)

    Jason Brown -- both programs, he's got such style, charm and energy; and he landed the 3-axel!

    Wesley Campbell fp Ave Maria :swoon: :saint:

    Alexander Johnson -- both programs, especially fp :swoon: (Did I say how much I love Tom Dickson?!)

    Joshua Farris was so cute in the sp press conference. He did a good job in both programs. He's on his way.

    And shout out to Ricky, Philip, Armin, Keegan, Jonathan, Sean, Grant, et al. -- Keep going! Don't give up!


    I'm surprised not to see those who thought Max could win lording it. ;)
     
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  13. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    yay I am not alone :cheer:
     
  14. Alex Forrest

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    Am I completely missing something? Max Aaron? I saw two quad sals and then after he lumbered to the halfway point he started jumping. What in the hell was there to like about that? And that is what wins national championships? I thought Ross and Jeremy absolutely outskated him. Do I need to start drinking again to understand this sport?

    I am also a Broadway slut, so I already have my programs to WSS or MFL or whatever done. And Aaron's WSS is so awful I can't even critique it.
     
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  15. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    :eek: How dare you! His coach is Tom Z who has produced some of the finest US National Champions or medallists to place outside the top ten at Worlds in recent seasons. :shuffle:
     
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  16. pinky166

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    Max Aaron's basics are fine. His artistry needs work, I'll give you that, but he in no way has bad basics nor is his skating inferior in any aspects. He may not just be everyone's cup of tea. He only won because Ross popped his second 3a and Jeremy made mistakes anyways, can't blame the kid for going out and landing everything he planned in his program. I think he will do great at Worlds.

    I still want Ricky and Josh to go to Sochi, however.
     
  17. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Just off the top of my head: He's slouched, he has shallow edges and needs to scrape a lot of small cross-overs in order to generate speed (it looks like he's running on a treadmill). His movements are off-time most of the time.
     
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  18. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

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    Sooooo, are Americans again going to send some obscure skaters and miss spots for the Olympics? :lol:
    There MUST be something between the American "ah, we are so strict" and the Russian "we do what we want" approaches :lol:

    Personally, I find Aaron pretty much unbearable, quads or not. He's so unfinished, unpolished and immature... Don't think he's going to have any favors from the judges on the international scene.
     
  19. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Aaron won US International Figure Skating Classic getting really high PCS from the judges after he landed his jumps. :/

    If he skates near clean programs at Worlds, he'll get 7s. Like Kovtun at Euros. Who needs choreo? :p
     
  20. dots

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    After breaking your back there is not much upper flexibility.

    Sorry but that is/will be part of his skating. However, I do think we can get him to feel the music a bit better much much BETTER!!


    Glad he won nationals*
     
  21. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

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    Dunno. His movements are so small, the skating is rushed and he reminds me of Stojko not in a good way.
    A smallest flop and he's going to be dropped, esp. given the incredible level of men lately.
    I respect the "fair principles" of US fed, but this is the second time in 3 years that I find it rather stupid.
     
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  22. misskarne

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    Good point.

    However, I am still in favour of FREE MAX AARON!
     
  23. MarieM

    MarieM Grumpy Cynical Ice Dance Lover

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    Ah so I'm not the only one who doesn't get his placement then. I think I figured it out! The US is making sure someone else will win the olys :) So they must select their worst skater :)
     
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  24. VarBar

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    Maybe some people haven't noticed yet that the era of the quads is back? And that Max Aaron just landed a quad/triple in his short program and two more quads in his free skate? I know, I know, there's more to figure skating than just jumps and Aaron may not be an artistic skater but the US male skating wasn't getting anywhere with artistic Abbott and artistic Rippon anyway, sorry to say this.:slinkaway

    For what it's worth, I was rooting for Ross Miner to win Nationals last week.
     
  25. LilJen

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    Jeremy Abbott has broken his back, too. Ain't no excuse to slouch. :p
     
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  26. jlai

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    For those who dont think Max should go to worlds, who else do you think could be sent in his place? It was not exactly a lights out nationals, and the US men didnt do so well at the gp either
     
  27. pingu

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    The Italian approach "ah, we are so strict...oh wait, we actually do want we want!" :p
     
  28. olympic

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    I am enjoying the conversation above re Max Aaron.

    Both sides make good points -

    Max can jump, but his other elements and PCS leave something to be desired. Therefore, he risks getting hammered with low scores at Worlds a la Bradley.

    OTOH, 'artistic' skaters with potential to score big have not been getting the job done either.

    I feel that it is what it is. The US would've probably had the same shot of getting 3 spots back w/ Aaron (low PCS) or Abbott (headcase who can't hold it together). The US judges are rewarding a newbie like Aaron for clean, technically dynamic skates and passing over the seriously gifted Abbott who didn't melt down, but they are probably finally moving on, feeling that they've given Abbott enough opportunities already.

    To be fair to Max, I find him more 'watchable' than even a year ago. It may be Camerlango's choreography. Still, he really needs to learn to stretch out the spins and extend his body on non-jump moves and choreography.
     
  29. toddlj

    toddlj Livestreams at 1am on Thanksgiving weekend? OK!

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    I have no doubt that a multiple-quad Aaron will end up doing well at worlds. In the past, plenty of somewhat-unknown men with questionable artistry but solid jumps have done better than expected at worlds. (Agreed that Bradley was a bust... but Aaron is not Bradley. Remember that Bradley didn't land clean quads in his FS at US nats.)
     
  30. luenatic

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    I beg to differ. Bradley skates so slowly. He's like the male version of JSlow. Max is better IMHO.

    I disagree again. Alexander Johnson is probably one of the most artistic male skaters in the U.S. right now. He got the job done. Two 3-Axel and 3Lz+1Lo+3F. Only one -1 GOE (not even warranted) in the FS. His Spiral is GORGEOUS! He should be getting 9s in the PE, CH, IN marks. I cannot think of any male skaters in the past 4 years that are as artistic and technically sound as Alexander. He pays so much attention in details while skating in lightning speed, it's astonishing. For crying out loud, he actually extends and points his toe doing back XO. Did I mention he points his fingers like a ballet dancer? His basic skating skill reminds me of Katia Gordeeva and Ilia Kulik. Too bad he was judged so harshly in the SP. I'm going to start a campaign to promote Alexander Johnson! He is such a joy to watch. He is one of the reasons why I watch figure skating.

    If you haven't seen Alexander's FS, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-1AI1fXdiE