Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Sep 16, 2012.
My thoughts exactly.
I really hope the last minute change doesn't throw him off.
So he hasn't been doing that spin all year?
No, the article said he was getting low levels on a spin so they changed it to one he was better at. It would have been valid last year, so clearly they were looking at old rules.
USFS' press release is out - Men's assignments:
2013 World Championships
Max Aaron - 2013 US Champ!
Ross Miner (Silver medalist)
Alternate 1 - Jeremy Abbott (Bronze medalist)
Alternate 2 - Adam Rippon
Alternate 3 - Joshua Farris
2013 Four Continents Championships
Adam Rippon (5th)
Alternate 1 - Richard Dornbush (6th)
Alternate 2 - Brandon Mroz (9th)
Alternate 3 - Stephen Carriere (10th)
2013 World Junior Championships
Jason Brown (8th)
Joshua Farris (4th & Pewter medalist)
Shotaro Omori (Jr. Silver medalist)
Alternate 1 - Harrison Choate (17th in Sr.)
Alternate 2 - Jay Yostanto (6th in Jr.)
Is Vincent Zhou the Jr champion not age-eligible?
No, he just turned 12 this past October!
Why does Johnny need to come back as a competitor? We already have Jeremy to provide the pout-face.
Max Aaron the national champ. wow. I thought he could get silver last year, but no, this is better.
That said, most of the next great things who medalled at their first or second nationals in recent years haven't yet made it back to top 3 or created the splash like expected, except Miner who repeated his podium finish with 2 bronzes and 1 silver. Carriere, Mroz, Dornbush, Rippon--each was considered the next great star at one point (and can still be one, but not yet). I hope Max isn't a one world or one medal wonder.
BUt the field is too evenly matched and until someone very very great comes along, this podium finish swapping will continue, I think.
Miner really has benefitted from being the bronze medalist two years in a row and stayed out of the limelight somewhat as a result (behind DOrnbush and then Adam who ended up taking the pressure)
Did Armin finish out of the top 10? How about Keegan ?
It'll be interesting to see how the international judges will score Aaron. Outside of the jumps there weren't much going on in his LP.
Final results: http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2013/68390/CAT002SEG004.html
Really? Although I agree he didn't have much 'artistry' (watching Jeremy's long program is like watching a ballet. Watching Max, I felt like I was watching great, athletic skating), I thought he had some good program components- I thought he demonstrated amazing speed, great sureness and flow, to me he had great projection and decent character, he had very good ice coverage. I'd like to see more in the way of transitions, but otherwise, PCS is not really the same as artistry.
I know he is going to get killed at World's, he has basically no international experience, and that clearly matters. That said, the new scoring system does allow for a 'no one' to win if they really kill it and the judges judge what is out on the ice that day. Aaron said it himself when he was asked if he was worried about skating first in the short: judges don't have to hold places for the later skaters anymore, they judge what the skaters put out there. So I at least think he has a better chance of doing well at Worlds under this system than the old one, but being a 'nobody' is a scary thing in figure skating. (At least, training with Chan, he has a realistic view of what Worlds is going to be like.)
I'm hoping that Abbott is declining 4CC becuase he knows he'll be too busy looking for a new coach.
I don't think Aaron is going to be perceived as a nobody. He's the U.S. national champion, so that will carry some weight. And it's not like he's never been to an international event before. He won the Senior B hosted in the U.S. this year and came in second at the Senior B in Nice. He was also 5th at Junior Worlds in 2011, so it's not like he just dropped out of the sky. No, he doesn't have a lot of experience at the senior level, but he's not coming with a complete blank slate either.
Winning a senior B is definetly a good thing, but he hasn't even been to a Grand Prix. He's going to really have to skate lights out at Worlds (and clearly, he is capable of it)- I don't think judges are going to do him any favors.
Well, he's going to 4CC's, so he'll have a chance to establish some rep there.
Max's skating reminds me a bit of the combination of Elvis and Yag's skating.
So our Canadian cousins have their very own 'Quad King'.
This is so strange to me. Aren't coaches/choreographers supposed to be up on which skills do or do/don't count or even are legal/illegal in their sport? I should think that as a skater matures perhaps they too should also try to make themselves familiar with something so crucial to their results as many athletes do in their respective sport/s. I would anyway.
I followed Aaron's career all last year & watched his progression. He is not likely to fold under pressure internationally like Abbott has done & will continue to do the US proud, IMO. I tho't he could medal but must admit I expected Ross to win the Gold. I'm still floating on air because of the results. We have a lot of promising talent coming up behind these 2 & its exciting to watch as it unfolds.
More like Kevin Van Der Perren to me.
Article on Max Aaron's big win yesterday: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130127&content_id=41211420&vkey=ice_news
Pre-Nationals article - Road to Omaha: Aaron will leave nothing on table
ETA link to this Arizona article (Aaron's home state): http://www.azcentral.com/sports/aze...-figure-skating-senior-mens-championship.html
Kevin Reynolds is about as boring a skater as Tim Goebel.
I think if Max got a new choreographer he'd be fine. I'm not a huge fan of Pasquale's work for singles skaters, it seems like a lot of his programs are pretty empty, I've certainly noticed this with the programs he's choreographed for Czisny, Verner, Brezina, Gold, etc. over the past few years - nice moments in there but largely empty and often times the music choices seem somewhat random. I think with Wilson or Dickson programs his skating could seem more complete and less connect-the-jumps. He has a lot of good qualities, his current programs just don't really show them off apart from the jumps.
I feel the same way about Josh Farris. It's cool that he likes to help with the choreography of his programs, and while Damon Allen is obviously a great coach for him, I think given his recent successes and plans to jump to the senior level internationally next season, it's time for him to get a big boy choreographer that can really show his skating off and prove he's more than just the "wide eyed teenager" with "complete, well-rounded skating and nice jumps". I think he has loads of potential and the ability to be a stunning artistic skater, he just needs someone, I'm thinking Wilson or Dickson, though I know he's worked with Mills in the past who could also be a good choice, to really draw it out of him. While I personally don't find him boring, I see why others do, and he has moments that show he really is capable of a lot more.
USFS now makes changes to the rules continuously, I've talked to my ice dance coach about this as he's a national competitor. The changes can come out of the blue and you may not have the time to make the change before competition. Trust me, skaters and coaches do the best to keep up, but it isn't easy these days.
I think the main problem is that no way is any judge at Worlds going to give him a 9 for PCS. I hate Nationals inflation for that reason; it creates an unrealistic expectation for the skater and their coach/es. I'm sure Aaron understands the concept of Nats inflation, and I hope he skates at Worlds like he did here - because that was fun!
It was an ISU rule, not a USFS one and it had been in effect the entire season. The problem is, he changed the spin after all the Grand Prixs. If he had that spin in his program during the summer comps, it would have been caught- as that is when callers and IJS experts go over the elite skaters programs with a fine tooth comb.
glad they tried in competition and even ur, hopefully they will keep trying and putting quad in competition unlike
evan who didn't-jeremy took it out now try to put back in.
you have to keep quad in competition to be successful .