U.S. Men 2012-13 news, updates & general discussion

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Now that the first Senior B international is in the books, it's time for a new season news and general discussion thread for the U.S. Men.

    International Scores to date:
    231.27 Max Aaron, Salt Lake Sr B 1st
    222.00 Nathan Chen, JGP Austria 1st (JR in U.S.)
    218.69 Joshua Farris, JGP Lake Placid 1st
    218.06 Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Salt Lake Sr B 2nd
    213.44 Ross Miner, Salt Lake Sr B 3rd
    203.59 Timothy Dolensky, Salt Lake Sr B 4th
    185.81 Jason Brown, JGP France 2nd
    169.70 Harrison Choate, JGP France 4th
    165.74 Jay Yostanto, JGP Austria 6th (JR in U.S.)
    124.22 James Schetelich, JGP Lake Placid 12th (JR in U.S.)

    Coming up:
    JGP Turkey: Brown, Shotaro Omori (JR)
    JGP Slovenia: Farris, Lukas Kaugars (JR)
    Nebelhorn Trophy: Stephen Carriere, Keegan Messing
    Finlandia Trophy: Richard Dornbush, Johnny Weir

    ETA Top summer competition scores (170 or higher total):
    233.08 Richard Dornbush, Glacier Falls Summer Classic
    209.68 Grant Hochstein, Middle Atlantics (exh.)
    208.76 Jason Brown, Southport Summer Classic (exh.)
    204.99 Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Vail Invitational
    195.04 Keegan Messing, Liberty
    192.41 Max Aaron, Liberty
    192.33 Sean Rabbitt, LA Open
    191.56 Andrew Gonzales, Skate Detroit
    190.59 Brandon Mroz, Liberty
    190.06 Alexander Johnson, Skate Detroit
    188.87 Harrison Choate, Liberty
    188.68 Ross Miner, Liberty
    187.89 Vincent Zhou, LA Open (JR in U.S.)
    187.34 Philip Warren, Glacier Falls
    185.33 Nathan Chen, LA Open (JR in U.S.)
    184.31 Stephen Carriere, Glacier Falls
    181.03 Shotaro Omori, Golden West (JR in U.S.)
    178.90 Joshua Farris, Vail Invitational
    177.28 Wesley Campbell, Liberty
    175.63 Jonathan Cassar , Golden West
    173.23 Douglas Razzano, Golden West
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  2. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    Wow.. I am sooo impressed with Nathen Chen. And he is only 13? This prodigious kid will mow over all the seniors in when he enters the rank. When is he able to join the Seniors? He certainly has the skills to play with the big boys.
  3. johndockley92

    johndockley92 New Member

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    I'm really excited for Ricky and Johnny's upcoming Senior B.
  4. Tesla

    Tesla Whippet Good

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    I think it's way too early to say that. He still has to get through te puberty monster. Plus, seniors is a whole other ball game.
  5. olympic

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    What exactly is the completed / rotated Quad scorecard for American Men? I count -

    Armin - x2 Quad Toe (Vail LP; Salt Lake Sr. SP)
    Max - x2 Quad Sal (Salt Lake Sr. SP + LP)
    Richard - x1 Quad Toe (Glacier Falls LP)
    Joshua - x1 Quad Toe (JGP Lake Placid LP)

    I think the US men are at this point in better shape than last year ...
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  7. johndockley92

    johndockley92 New Member

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    I think that Max will have a toe in his program by the end of the year too. Perhaps two sals and a toe in :O ... Imagine his program as 4Sal, 4Sal 2toe, 4toe, 3A, 3A 3T, 3Lz, 3Lz half loop 3s, and 3F. Sounds awesome.
  8. merrywidow

    merrywidow Well-Known Member

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    I'm very impressed with Max & think that he & Ricky Dornbush may be leading the way in the future for raising the bar on quads in the USA. American men have a lot of catching up to do internationally.
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Mahbanoozadeh was quoted in the pre-SLC article on IN that he landed 4T in both his SP and FS with "+1 GOEs across the [judging] panel, so I was really happy."

    Dornbush landed 4T with +1.50 GOE in his SP at Glacier Falls Summer Classic; he got credit for landing 4T with -1.25 GOE and fell on his 2nd 4T attempt in the FS. He fell on the 3 4T he attempted at Golden West.

    Keegan Messing attempted 4T in both SP and FS at Glacier Falls - they were called 4T<<+2T in SP and 4T< fall in FS.

    At Liberty, credited quad attempts in the FS were by Max Aaron 4S with -1 GOE (he fell on 4S in SP), Brandon Mroz 4Lo with -2 GOE (4Lo< fall in SP), Ross Miner 4S fall (4T< fall in SP).
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  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Copying over some of the Nathan Chen-related posts from the U.S. Men pre-season thread:
    Re-posting what I wrote in the JGP Austria thread in Kiss and Cry:
    2012 U.S. Novice Men's champ Vincent Zhou, who turns 12 in October, defeated Nathan Chen at the Golden West club competition last month (and overall at L.A. Open in July) -- he will contend for the 2013 U.S. Junior Men's title as well as Shotaro Omori (he's scheduled to compete at the JGP in Turkey next week) who also finished ahead of Chen at Golden West. Omori has acquired a 3A in the off season and is coached by Tammy Gambill, as is Zhou.
  11. A.H.Black

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    It is way too early. I'm really enjoying watching Nathan now. I'm trying not to project too far into the future (although I find myself getting caught up in the "what ifs" too, occasionally) So far I feel great admiration for the balance he, his coaches and his family have been able to achieve.
  12. Proustable

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    You have him repeatng the 4Sal, 3A and 3lz. Replace the solo lutz with the loop, I expect.
  13. jlai

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    Has anyone heard anything re: Kevin Shum? And have Tomasello and Spencer Howe recovered from injuries?
  14. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    The Zayak Rule treats quadruple jumps separately from triples. The layout johndockley92 mentioned complies with the Rule.

    On the other hand, it would be nice to see Aaron do something to boost his PCS. :shuffle:
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  15. mgobluegirl

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    No, I don't think it does. The Singles Freeskating Requirements sheet posted on USFS (which I would assume complies with ISU rules) states that "2 triples or quads may be repeated, but must be in combo or sequence."

    ETA: Maybe you were thinking of the rule that allows skaters not to get "Zayaked" for attempting a quadruple jump that ends up being downgraded. Early on in IJS, if a skater attempted a 4T but it was downgraded, the element would be entered into the protocol as "3T", and then if a skater subsequently performed two triple toes, the last one wouldn't count, since the computer counted that as three triple toes in the same program.
  16. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    It appears that either I misunderstood the Rule or it has been changed.

    Rule 512

    So Aaron has to choose which two (at most) of the 4S, 3A, and 3Z he wants to try repeating.
  17. aftershocks

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    As impressed as I am with Nathan, ITA!

    Fingers-crossed that Nathan weathers these upcoming transitions smoothly. :)

    Also, ITA with A.H. Black that I'm enjoying watching Nathan now and hoping his team continues to be successful in keeping him balanced and on track. It is a huge asset that Nathan seems to be highly motivated and mentally focused.
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  18. gkelly

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    It was changed to include quad jumps, but I think the change was at least 10 years ago -- maybe around 1998/99? Before IJS, anyway.
  19. johndockley92

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    Weird, I didn't know about that! Either way, a program with 2 quad sals, a quad toe, two axels, a lutz, flip, loop, & Sal and toe (in combination) will give him a sure chance at a medal even with his components.


    As for the Juniors, I'd say that Nathan, Shotaro, Lukas, Vincent, Jay, Kevin Shum, Troy, and perhaps even Emmanuel have a shot at the podium.
  20. pinky166

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    Emmanuel is skating senior this season IIRC, though I believe he's battling some kind of injury as he pulled out of most or maybe even all the summer competitions he was entered in.
  21. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I don't know the current status of Emmanuel Savary - he competed a Senior FS back in the spring but has not competed since, AFAIK, and may not have tested up.

    Neither Kevin Shum nor David Wang, both of whom are listed in the ISP, have competed this summer, reportedly due to injury :(, and I haven't yet heard if either has registered for Regionals.
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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  23. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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  24. stevlin

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    Me too, especially for Ricky Dornbush. When will that be and will it be on tv?
  25. aftershocks

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    ^^
    Does anyone know the answer to stevlin's questions?
  26. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Spin Alissa Spin!!!

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    Ricky and Johnny will be at 2012 Finlandia Trophy Oct 5-7. Not sure on the TV part yet.
  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    IIRC, last year there was some TV coverage in Finland of the Finlandia dance and ladies' event - if there is a non-geo-blocked live stream again this year, I'm sure someone will post a link in the TV Alerts forum. We're lucky to have fan videos every year - links will be posted in the Finlandia competition thread in Kiss and Cry (and should be searchable on YouTube).

    Carriere and Messing will be at Nebelhorn Trophy next week - hopefully there will be fan videos posted like in the past.

    RE. the upcoming U.S. Regional Championships, it looks like the only Senior Men's events scheduled are at Southwest Pacific (SWP) and New England (NE) - don't yet know about South Atlantics (SA).
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  28. johndockley92

    johndockley92 New Member

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    who are the entries?
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Southwest Pacific (5): Jonathan Cassar, Scott Dyer, Andrew Gonzales, Sean Rabbitt, Philip Warren - all should advance to Pacific Coast Sectionals due to the fill-up rule.

    New England (2 elected to compete): Wesley Campbell, Brad Vigorito. Harrison Choate was registered as well but now has a bye due to his JGP assignment to Croatia.
  30. YukiNieve

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    Hi, Sylvia,

    What is the fill-up rule?
    Also, have you heard anything about Austin Kanallakan?
  31. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Basically, it means that all 5 of the Senior men at SWP Regionals can advance to Pacific Coast Sectionals because there are 4 or fewer Senior men registered at both Central Pacific and Northwest Pacific Regionals.
    From the current USFS Rulebook:
    "2471 Fill-Up Rule: Competitors at a regional championship may progress directly to their sectional championship if, at the close of entries, there are four or fewer competitors in senior, junior, novice intermediate or juvenile singles events.
    A. Additional competitors from the same event in other regions of the same section shall be permitted to enter in order to bring the number of competitors up to a maximum of 12 (or more, if ties make it necessary).
    B. These additional competitors will be selected in the order of their placement. Should this result in two or more competitors qualifying for one additional place, all will be included, even if this causes the total number of competitors in the event to exceed 12."

    No. AFAIK, he hasn't competed since Pacific Coast Sectionals in November 2011. Here's my compilation of scores for the Senior men who are known to have competed so far this season: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/scoretracker/2012-2013-senior-men-scores/
  32. YukiNieve

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    Thanks Sylvia!

    I see. I thought "you need more than 4 skaters for the comp to be held" rule would be considered at "each" regional comp.

    And I will miss Austin if he has decided not to compete any more... (don't know if he has)
  33. Sylvia

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    I did not expect that!
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  38. olympic

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    Keegan Messing won the bronze medal at Nebelhorn. Here is his LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yN_rkI9sdA

    Not bad. big step out on 4t, but stayed off his butt, and hand down on another triple. Freak fall after a split jump, though :(
  39. RFOS

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    Not that I'm one to doubt you Sylvia :), but I'm just wondering why he'd need to be invited if he was representing France? Also I'm thinking back to quite a few years ago when Shantel Jordan & Jeremy Barrett were invited to French Nationals (and won IIRC) when they weren't age-eligible for international competitions.
  40. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    ^^^ I think because Zahradnicek may not be released to compete for France until next season so he is allowed to participate in domestic competitions in the meantime?

    Newly announced Senior B assignments for the following men:
    Max Aaron - Cup of Nice in France (Oct. 24-28);
    Armin Mahbanoozadeh and Douglas Razzano - Ice Challenge in Graz, Austria (Nov. 6-10).

    Dornbush and Weir compete their short programs today - see this post in the TV Alerts forum for a link to watch (live and/or on demand?): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3702962#post3702962
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