U.S. Ladies [#9]: Battle to/in Boston

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  1. Flying Camel

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    Yea, she needs to cover up her head and face. I'm happy for her. I didn't think she could do it. She still has a lot of work to do in terms if technique and component scores. But maybe this medal will give her confidence.
     
  2. ManiDani

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    Congrats to Mirai on her bronze and for successfully rotating all her triples in the competition. What an impressive turn around from two weeks ago. I hope building confidence in her jumps will give her the freedom to let go and express her programs.
     
  3. all_empty

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    I definitely hope her medal is a confidence booster. She only got dinged for under-rotating a 2T, of all things. If she keeps this going her prospects are very good. Nice to see she got all level 4 spins, too. All she needs is that 2A+3T to gets more points.
     
  4. olympic

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    ^It can happen.

    Looking at the protocols, is Mirai lipping now? :lol:

    ETA -

    I was on Sylvia's website. Sectionals are underway and the Ladies SP's in Easterns, Mids and PACs are completed. It looks like all the usual suspects are poised to do well (knock wood) and get to Nationals:

    Easterns top 4 - Chiera, Siraj, Baga, Forte.
    Mids top 4 - Miller, Bell, Cain (UR call), Long. Long is like 12.5 points clear of the skater in 5th!
    PACS top 4 - Keiser (3-3), Lam (popped axel), Flatt (messed up opening 3flip), Zhang (stayed on her feet?). I think Zhang is 3 points adrift of 5th
     
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  5. smarts1

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    It's always been like this. Some callers will put an "e" on her flips while other ones put a "e" on her lutzes.
     
  6. valyrian

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    I'm not familiar with Chiera. Has she been to nationals before?

    Congratulations to Mirai! Please hold it together at Nationals.
     
  7. johndockley92

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    If mirai can continue to skate well, she can really make a case for the third spot. Also, if she can keep it up through the next couple seasons, she may be able to even push Gracie and Ashley. I hope she does!
     
  8. NadineWhite

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    Courtney Hicks just won another G-O-L-D medal, that makes two this season! :kickass: :cool: :hat1: :smokin:

    Only a fool would count her out at Nationals, and I ain't no fool. :D
     
  9. Blondie12

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    Why don't Hicks and Cesario have 2 Grand Prix events? I think if USFG was seriously considering them for that third spot, they would have had 2 spots. Why give the host spot to Caroline and not them if they were seriously considering them for the olympics?

    That is why Russia may be doing so well. They get their girls out on the Grand Prix as soon as they are age eligible to stake their claim.

    Has anyone on the ladies or men's team ever been sent to the Olympics with only 1 Grand Prix spot?
     
  10. lauren329

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    Miller was fantastic. In my ultimate unrealistic Sochi dream team, she's the third US lady.
     
  11. all_empty

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    Cesario had two GPs: Skate America and Trophee Bompard.
     
  12. Flying Camel

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    Did she try a 3/3?
     
  13. olympic

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    Courtney won Ice Challenge, beating Miki Ando. Anyone know the scores? The results page is not loaded even hours after the competition has ended!
     
  14. lahaa968

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    Well, Grand Prix judges giving her 4's and 5's for PCS tells the whole story to me. There 4-5 other ladies with much stronger packages and consistently higher PCS. Hicks can jump, and that gives meat to her TES, but I think the judges will be much less generous this Nationals.
     
  15. Coco

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    I believe Courtney had a 160+ something as her total score in Graz.

    Caroline's SA host pick will go down as one of the WTF moments of this season, well, the pick + the non-monitoring at Champs Camp.
     
  16. JJS5056

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    Wouldn't it be in Mirai's best interests to work on either:
    1) replacing the 2a-3t with a 3t-2a sequence
    2) working on a back up plan that replaces the second 2a with a 3t if the first combo is missed?

    Given that she has no salchow, it's a shame to see her complete LPs with no toe-loop, considering she does a 3t-3t in the short.
     
  17. Mirai4life

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    1 Courtney HICKS USA 166.33
    2 Miki ANDO JPN 150.90
    3 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 137.81
     
  18. Jarrett

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    I think she should go for triple loop double axel combination and then replace the last double axel in the program with a triple toe if she misses the double axel triple toe at the beginning. Honestly should should just do that over all. I think it would be more points.
     
  19. Coco

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    If the 3t3t is working for her, perhaps she should do this:

    3f2t
    3t3t
    3z
    3l*
    3f*
    2a2t2l*
    2a*

    42.91 total BV for jumps. Her current planned BV is 43.91 if she makes the 2a3t, but 41.21 if she only does 2a2t. Both jump lists have the same base value for the bonus time.

    Repeating the flip and toe is respectable enough if you do 6 triples. But the way the music is cut, there is not a lot of time between the 1st and 2nd jumping passes. Maybe a 2a pass is the only one that would work there?
     
  20. chipso1

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    Congrats to Mirai Nagasu on her bronze medal and new SB score at Rostelecom Cup! :cheer2: She definitely redeemed herself from NHK Trophy. Also congrats to Agnes Zawadzki who set a new SB score at Rostelecom Cup!

    And Courtney Hicks defeated Miki Ando at Ice Challenge -- her second international win of the season!

    2013-14 U.S. Ladies

    Top International Scores (through 11/23/13)
    1. Ashley WAGNER, Trophee Eric Bompard (194.37)
    2. Gracie GOLD, Skate Canada (186.65)
    3. Karen CHEN, JGP Slovakia (179.08) - JR in U.S.
    4. Mirai NAGASU, Rostelecom Cup (175.37)
    5. Christina GAO, Skate Canada (173.69)
    6. Samantha CESARIO, Trophee Eric Bompard (172.70)

    7. Courtney HICKS, U.S. Classic (171.88)
    8. Polina EDMUNDS, JGP Mexico (171.21)
    9. Amber GLENN, JGP Czech Republic (164.18) - JR in U.S.
    10. Agnes ZAWADZKI, Rostelecom Cup (163.21)
    11. Ashley CAIN, Nebelhorn Trophy (162.39)
    12. Angela WANG, JGP Czech Republic (155.87)

    13. Mariah BELL, JGP Mexico (153.17)
    14. Vanessa LAM, Finlandia Trophy (152.28)
    15. Kiri BAGA, Coupe de Nice (150.48)
    16. Barbie LONG, JGP Slovakia (148.19)
    17. Tyler PIERCE, JGP Estonia (143.91) - JR in U.S.
    18. Yasmin SIRAJ, JGP Latvia (142.32)

    19. Rachael FLATT, Coupe de Nice (130.18)
    20. Hannah MILLER, JGP Estonia (128.20)
    21. Caroline ZHANG, Skate America (110.12)

    Upcoming events:
    • JGP Final: CHEN, EDMUNDS, WANG (1st alternate)
    • GP Final: WAGNER
     
  21. rosewood

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    Yay! Mirai placed 3rd among the senior ladies. :kickass:
     
  22. Jun Y

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    I just saw Rachael Flatt's Rach 2 free skate she choreographed herself. Well, it's not good. I wish she had consulted a professional choreographer. There's hardly anything in between technical elements besides a few obvious arm waves to the obvious highlights in the music, which Rach provides in abundance.
     
  23. Cheylana

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    I didn't realize Rachael had choreographed her freeskate program herself. I was wondering why it was all jump-jump-spin-jump and no in-betweens.
     
  24. Sasha'sSpins

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    I don't think it's wise for anyone at the elite level to choreograph their own programs in an Olympic year - unless you have a talent for it (which Flatt does not imo) unlike someone like say Marina Klimova who choreographed the '92 Olympic Polka OD for herself and her husband Sergei Ponomorenko with great success.

    It's funny, I was thinking something alone those lines a few hours ago when I watched the women's LP at Rostelecom Cup on youtube...

    And a 3-3 in the LP wouldn't hurt either. All the top women are doing at least one 3-3 combo in their LPs.

    Now if only Mirai could get back that enchanting quality she used to have and not look so poker-faced in her programs. Love her to bits but she's still doing it! I wish she could find a choreographer who could create programs that would inspire her - but it's not going to happen. Too late now.

    I do too. Skaters like Wagner, Czisny, and especially Kostner give me hope that even Mirai may have a second comeback even now in her 20s (2010 being her first comeback after her rough 2009 Season).

    Courtney is an terrific jumper - but that's about it for the moment. She still has a ways to go in overall performance qualities.

    I wonder why Mirai can't do salchows anymore? Or if she's even tried training them these past few seasons. And if she wants to be competitive with the best I think that Mirai MUST get a 3-3 back into her LP at some point. And a 7 triple program would boost her TES to no end...
     
  25. UMBS Go Blue

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    Unfortunately all those AP and SAT exams she/her team hyped up never emphasized musical sensitivity.
     
  26. UMBS Go Blue

    UMBS Go Blue KWEEN 2016! YES WE KWAN!

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    Posted this inside the Pac Sectionals K&C thread, and reposting out here:

    Is Caroline Zhang still coached by Karen & Peter? For the Pac Sectionals SP, she was stretching beforehand in front of / near Karen and Peter, but they were not at the boards (or anywhere clearly in sight) for both her SP warmup or SP performance. She had no coaches at the boards for both. This is despite the fact that she skated early in the SP and Anna Malkova (a Karen/Peter pupil) skated late in the SP, so no conflicts there, if indeed she is still coached by Karen & Peter.

    For the Pac Sectionals LP, I could see Peter standing far off to the side while Caroline skated, but not at the boards like a coach would during the performance. I don't recall seeing any other coach at the boards.
     
  27. Jammers

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    Caroline at this point should just give up her spot to Nationals to some other deserving skater that won't storm off before she sees her scores. She's done. Midwestern sectionals had much better skaters and skating. Pacific group top 4 is made up of skaters on their last legs or who have stagnated.
     
  28. demetriosj

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    aren't you a ray of sunshine................
     
  29. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    Wait did Caroline qualify for Nationals?
     
  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Qualifiers for 2014 Nationals in Senior Ladies:

    Midwesterns top 4:
    1 Hannah Miller, Lansing SC 59.52 (1) 115.28 (1) 174.80
    2 Ashley Cain, Stars FSC of Texas 57.59 (3) 106.91 2) 164.50
    3 Barbie Long, Illinois Valley FSC 57.43 (4) 100.02 (3) 157.45
    4 Mariah Bell, Rocky Mountain FSC 57.59 2) 97.32 (4) 154.91
    http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2014/2014_mw_fs_sectionals/CAT017SEG034.html

    Easterns top 4:
    1 Franchesca Chiera, Panthers FSC 57.27 (1) 115.51 (1) 172.78
    2 Kiri Baga, SC of Boston 54.31 (3) 97.53 (2) 151.84
    3 Joelle Forte, SC of New York 52.86 (4) 86.12 (3) 138.98
    4 Yasmin Siraj, SC of Boston (2) 56.95 81.98 (5) 138.93
    http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2014/2014_eastern_fs_sectionals/CAT016SEG026.html

    Pacific Coast top 4:
    1 Vanessa Lam, All Year FSC 53.66 (2) 100.94 (1) 154.60
    2 Rachael Flatt, St. Moritz ISC 51.61 (3) 96.62 (2) 148.23
    3 Leah Keiser, All Year FSC 56.92 (1) 89.71 (3) 146.63
    4 Caroline Zhang, All Year FSC (4) 51.11 82.83 (5) 133.94
    http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2014/2014_pc_fs_sectionals/CAT017SEG025.html

    Byes to Nationals in Senior Ladies (9): Ashley Wagner, Gracie Gold, Agnes Zawadzki, Courtney Hicks, Christina Gao, Mirai Nagasu, Samantha Cesario, Angela Wang, Polina Edmunds


    Thanks for the update!
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2013
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