U.S. Ladies [#7] Wagner's Rink Cycle

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  1. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Pinky and Christina wouldn't be friends for long if she started coaching her (although, I have a laundry list of what I would tell skaters). ;)
  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Ashley Wagner tweeted this morning:
    "Last day in Toronto working with the incredible @shaelynnbourne! Can't wait for everyone to see this new show number" (for the Canadian Stars on Ice tour, I assume).
  3. pinky166

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    Working on that too, has been for awhile now. Christina loves to dance, did you know? She says if she hadn't done skating she would have liked to be a ballerina, even though dancing is not a natural strength for her, she still likes it!
  4. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Um, Christina does not have the carriage and the spine flexibility to be a ballerina but I am thrilled to hear that she is working on this. It would take her skating to the next level, along with the 3f3t. Best of luck!
  5. demetriosj

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    Says who?!
  6. AndyWarhol

    AndyWarhol Well-Known Member

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    Is this something that could have been achieved if she started training to be a ballerina at an early age?
    I know its different, but i didn't start skating until i was 12, and couldn't do the splits or a bend back etc, however, these are things that
    i can still do now, even at my advanced age of 29.
  7. pinky166

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    Guess she made the right choice with skating then, huh? ;) Anyways, I just said she LIKES to dance - that does not require one to be good at dancing or have a flexible spine :p. Anyways, a lot of flexibility just comes down to stretching a lot
  8. Sylvia

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  9. orbitz

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    Um ... Say anyone with two working eyes and is living in the real world.
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  10. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Says someone who's seen her compete live.
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  11. Sylvia

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    2013 Gardena Spring Trophy Junior Ladies podium photo (L to R: Rin Nitaya JPN silver, Polina Edmunds USA gold, Briley Pizzelanti ITA bronze)

    2013 Gardena Spring Trophy Novice Girls podium photo (in the middle is gold medalist Karen Chen USA; JPN's Yuhana Yokoi and Eriko Yamakuma are the silver & bronze medalists)

    1 Polina EDMUNDS USA 158.45 1 1 (107.76 FS, landed 6 triples: 3Lz+3T, 3F+3T, 2A, 1F, 3Lo, 3S+2T+2Lo, 2A). SP jumps: 3Lz+1T, 3F, 2A.
    Polina has a Team USA bio now :): http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=101693&mode=I

    1 Karen CHEN USA 131.24 1 1 (89.94 FS, landed 5 triples: 2A+3T, 3Lo, 3Lz+2T, 3S, 3Lz, 2A). SP jumps: 3Lo< fall, 2A, 3Lz+2T.
    Karen reportedly is coached by Tammy Gambill now, although her Team USA bio has yet to be updated: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=101483&mode=I
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  12. demetriosj

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  13. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Edmunds needs to make her JGP debut first. ;)
  14. RD

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    :lol: getting ahead of ourselves as usual, go figure
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    They sure get a lot of swag. A certificate, a box of something (pin)?, a trophy, flowers and a medal.
  16. pinky166

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    Wow how tall is Edmunds now? She appears to have been growing like a weed all season. This is one reason why I think she should push for Sochi, she might be too tall by 2018.
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    How tall is too tall?
  18. pinky166

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    No idea but there are pictures of her with Kostner and Polina looks slightly taller than her. Maybe she is wearing skates, but if they are both in flat shoes, that would make Polina close to 5'8", because Carolina is 5'7" (or at least almost), so for a 14 year old figure skater, that is really tall!
  19. Mayra

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    Whatever height Polina is, she seems to be adjusting to it just fine. Six triples including 3/3, all with +GOE and no edge calls? Awesome! I'm not sure we need to retire her just yet. :p


    Congrats to her for an incredible season! :cheer:
  20. Marco

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    No < calls? Good for Edmunds!
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    She is sooo close to it not being an issue for me anymore, but yeah still way too stiff. I can see the "it" in her now as of this year though, she really has an insane amount of musicality and potential. If she could work on it more (there was an obvious difference in her carriage this year IMO), like a LOTTTT more, I think she could be a very big threat internationally. I love her basic skating and the confidence she's starting to project in her choreography and nuances, she's developing into a beauty. Very similar look and style to Arakawa (remember how stiff she was the first half of her career as well? Her spiral alone went from Tatiana Malinina to Nicole Bobek) IMO, I just wish she would train over-splits with perfect shoulder carriage every single day. She has almost no leg flexibility to speak of, which really in the end kills her beautiful line. At any rate I've been ambivalent towards her since her debut, but as of this year I rather like her and want her to sign up for a Sasha bootcamp (tm)!
  22. demetriosj

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    USFS needs to push for Polina for Worlds and Sochi. She's got the big jumps and the musicality already!!

    She should not be told to "sit back and wait" for her turn, as they have done so many times in the past with other talented skaters.
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  23. RD

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    Somehow, I hope you're kidding...I really, really do...:slinkaway:
  24. pinky166

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    I agree but highly doubt this will happen. Polina is already a star and beyond the jumps and hard content she is graceful and balletic. It has been awhile since we've seen a skater in the US who is really strong in both those respects, the last I can think of is Mirai before she went through puberty and got injured.
  25. Sylvia

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    Here's Edmunds' winning Gardena Junior FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJKpEQwWOs
    She debuted a new program to Edvard Grieg - I recognized the well-known "Morning Mood" as the 2nd half piece but is the first half also from Grieg's Peer Gynt Suite?
  26. johndockley92

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    Polina is a great jumper, but i hope people don't pressure her too much. She still has a long way to go before she has the artistry to match the top ladies. That being said, she'd have a top lady's score if she hadn't singled the flip in the FS and the toe in the SP. Very happy to see no URs from her at Gardena. Hope she has a great JGP season :)
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    Yes, Solveig's Song
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  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    ^^^ Karen's FS is "The Godfather."

    ETA this astute post from the Gardena competition thread in Kiss and Cry:
    Chen's double Axel covers so much ice! And what a fast Biellmann spin at the end! I think by sending her to Gardena, USFS is very likely to give her a JGP opportunity this fall.

    Thanks for identifying the first piece of Polina's new FS program:
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  30. smarts1

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    Wow, Karen Chen's jumps look so much better!
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  32. pinky166

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    Tammi is quite amazing :)
  33. Sylvia

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    Sports Illustrated article on Agnes Zawadzki by Olympic columnist Brian Cazeneuve (April 10): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130410/agnes-zawadzki/index.html
    (She visited the SI offices in NYC this past Monday after her Figure Skating in Harlem appearance.)
    Excerpt:
    Zawadzki will be guest starring at the Coon Rapids Ice Center in Minnesota on Saturday, April 27 at 6:30 pm and Sunday, April 28 at 2 pm: http://www.coonrapidsicecenter.com/iceshow.htm
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  34. chipso1

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    And skating two programs each night! :) One is her "I Will Always Love You" exhibition and the other is to "Sway," I believe.
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    Great article on Agnes. I'm so glad she is keeping her "Sex in the City" short as I am a big fan of it! I don't know about her doing Tango music for her long program, but I'll wait and see.
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    I like Agnes and I have no doubt that she can pull off a tango, but I don't think it is such a great idea, especially if she's trying to stand out in an Olympic year. Everyone will be doing tangos or skating to old war horses like Carmen. But if it's what she thinks is best then I look forward to seeing it!
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    Team USA Triumphs at 2013 ISU World Team Trophy: http://skatingmagazineblog.com/2013/04/13/team-usa-triumphs-at-2013-isu-world-team-trophy/
  38. Marco

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    Good for Wagner for opening and closing the season well in Japan. She absolutely needed this after falling 5 times in her last 3 competitions. Also, importantly for her, she held off Gold again.

    Despite impressive jumps and spins, Gold left a little sour taste in my mouth by rushing her choreo sequence (and many other moves). Didn't help that she was skating before or after Asada, Wagner and Suzuki who all had amazing choreo sequences.
  39. Mayra

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    Great comeback after the short by both US girls at WTT. :cheer2:

    Watching Wagner's long program was a revelation of sorts for me. She is much more enjoyable to watch when she cuts the choreographic strings and lets go. For the first time watching her I felt like she really performed during that long program. Here's hoping she continues with this level of performance because she was spectacular! I also hope she continues to try the 3/3 in her programs starting with her first GP. Get the monkey off her back early so she can get more comfortable landing it in competition. Can't wait to see what her programs look like next season. :cheer:

    I continue to be impressed by Gold. She's got incredible jumps, speed, power and her spins are top notch. I think she is completely deserving of 7's in PCS for SS and that's a credit to her coaching team and to her. Having said that, I really hope she gets some outside input over the summer beyond her current coaching team. IN, PE and CH still have a lot of room for growth and her current programs don't match her style or performance ability. She's got a solid foundation to work with and I hope she looks for and finds the right person to help her improve in these aspects. What a great senior debut for her. :cheer:

    Can we fast forward to October now? :lol:
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    I agree Gracie needs to go to a top notch choreographer who knows what to do with her and figure out how best to package her. She needs to start learning to project better to the crowd and understand the music that she is skating to. She's not a natural performer like some other skaters but the right choreographer will work with her on that. She seems to know what her weakness's are which is a good start.