U.S. Ladies [#7] Wagner's Rink Cycle

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  1. FSfan107

    FSfan107 Well-Known Member

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    Hope you're right! I'm probably reading too much into the situation anyways.
  2. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

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    Actually, it's my positive spirit saying this. I hope I'm right, too .... :slinkaway
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Sounds like you're right, olympic, based on these quotes this morning tweeted by AP's @nrarmour:
  4. RD

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    A non skating distraction might be the best thing to happen to her actually...
  5. kwanatic

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    Are skates prohibited from being included in carry-on luggage? I'm assuming they must be. If I were a skater I'd pack the essentials (skates, practice wear along with toothbrush and underwear) in a carry-on suitcase and check the rest of my luggage...
  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Figure skates must be checked in on international flights, last I heard.

    ETA: Based on the practice reports and tweets I've seen, it sounds like Gracie Gold is practicing very well in London so far... hope it continues into competition! :)
    @LynnRutherford on this morning's practice:
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  7. leafygreens

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    Ugh, why did Ashley get there so late?
  8. B.Cooper

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    It depends on the airport and the country to which you are traveling.
    London's Heathrow will not allow skates as carry on even if you are just connecting thru the airport...ie, if you departed from the US, connect at Heathrow...must then check skate bags.

    AFAIK, the US skaters that travel to Canada routinely carry on their skates into Canada. Has never been an issue for figure skates.
    Short track skates have to be checked (as of Vancouver Olympic Games).

    Figure skaters that we know had only to check skates going to Canada for a year or so after 9/11.

    Most countries, when traveling back to the US, will not allow skates to be carried on.

    I am sure Wagner's skates will show up in time.
  9. demetriosj

    demetriosj Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why, barring injury, is Gracie so inconsistent in competition? Nerves alone can't account for her erratic ups and downs.........

    Alissa was a completely different story since she never had clean, textbook jumps....Therefore it made sense when she would bomb her programs....
  10. triple_toe

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    Yes, yes they can. Some people have a sense for competition, like Lipinski or Kwan, some tolerate and (sometimes) control their nerves, like Alissa or Jeremy Abbott. Gracie has always been an inconcistent competitor, it's magnified now by the extreme pressure and expectations being put on her.
  11. FSfan107

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    Ashley's skates made it! :)

  12. olympic

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    Great News! As stated above, I hope this distraction snapped everything into focus
  13. triple_toe

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    American girls are bringing it in practice! Ashley is here with skates and a 2 axel 3toe combo in the long. Jumps look super solid, including 3loop-2axel which appears much calmer and less circular (good!). Gracie skated a clean long, leaving out one double axel.
  14. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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  15. RD

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    Good to hear and thanks for the reports.

    The solid run-throughs are nice and all, but it only matters during crunch time
  16. triple_toe

    triple_toe Well-Known Member

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    What a little ray of sunshine you are :p
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  17. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    It's very nice of triple_toe to provide a practice report for those who don't have access to the Worlds forum in Kiss and Cry. Thank you! :)
  18. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Yes, thank you!!!
  19. RD

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    Twitter is also an EXCELLENT source of practice reports as well. Between them and what is being mentioned here, anticipation is increasing...
  20. triple_toe

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    You're welcome! I know how it is to not have the opportunity to read the reports in the Kiss and Cry.
  21. just wondering

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    Great stuff, triple_toe!
  22. cbd1235

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    Hey guys I was there live for the ladies short and I will be there live for the ladies free Saturday. I missed Gracie's SP warmup unfortunately, that was the only thing I missed from the event. Gracie had the look of terror throughout her entire short program but she fought through it. Not the best feet in the air so her landings were weak, she squeaked out a triple-triple but it was noticeably not rotated.

    Ashley went on the warmup and looked a tad lethargic but energy increased over the 6 minutes. She did a couple of nice double axels, then a triple loop with her spread eagle entry. Then she did a nice triple flip right in front of me. After talking with John Nicks, she skated up and did a fantastic triple flip-triple toe [no two foot landing or UR] with a lot of speed coming out. She looked like she'd been training it all season, she probably has been.... She didn't have a good entry to her flip in her actual short and then added on a double toe, smart choice. The loop was very nice. The program was a bit tentative and her footwork sequence was meh. At least she didn't have any look of terror.

    Wishing both girls great skates again on Saturday :)
  23. Marco

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    Given how everyone skated and how tough the caller was, I think Wagner going for a 3/2 only is a good strategic choice. She however really needs to pay a little more attention to her spins. If she had gotten level 4s on all spins she wold be on the 65 - 66 range and at least 4th or even higher, and that's just with a 3/2.
  24. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    I think it's silly to lose levels on spins at this point.
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  25. Marco

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    Yes. :mad:
  26. olympic

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    The judging in the Ladies SP was tough in some cases but suspect -

    I think Gracie's 3toe was UR, but I think she managed a slight inside edge on her 3flip.

    The most egregious call was for Kostner's 3-3. On Italian TV, the camera was right behind her combo and she obviously was more than 1/4 turn short, legs crossed and fell. She received neither a -3 GOE or a UR!

    Murakami's 3toe was borderline but I think she squeaked it out. I wouldn't have given her a 2 for GOE on the combo.

    Asada's 3x had and obvious 2-foot, but the judges gave her a 0.14. Shouldn't that have been in negative territory?
  27. Chris_E

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    It seemed like a lot of the ladies lost spin levels. People were speculating it was something to due with the ice. I think Yuna lost levels as well and that is why her score was lower than expected.
  28. TheIronLady

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    I think the judges are somewhat bored with Yu Na. This is the opinion of some skating critics: that she has not grown at all. Thankfully she is performing to music that we all love in the FS, and I think she will win some gay and musical theater fan votes (for whatever those are worth). There is the matter of her having only six triples. I think if Kostner can attempt seven triples, with the beauty of her Bolero program, it would be her title. I simply have no idea what will happen on the ice. I would never have expected Mao to pop a 3L.
  29. Triple Butz

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    Not only that, but there have been a LOT of falls and fallouts on spins so far...I'm wondering if it has something to do with the ice as well.
  30. Skittl1321

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    Since it is an NHL rink I wonder if the ice is harder than usual for figure skating. I know I spin WAY better (and uh, my spins are that of a bronze level adult) when I go to the neighboring rink that specializes in figure skating. The ice is just different when it is kept a little warmer.

    It has been shocking how many spin mistakes there have been.

    With the small rink size I expected a few more run ins with the boards and was happy that had been avoided, but then during the pairs event I noticed a number of falls slid into the boards, and K/S had a foot hit the boards during a lift- which had to have been terrifying for all involved, him- worrying about dropping her, her being potentionally dropped onto the board rail head first, and the lady in the audience who nearly got a blade to her face! Thank god he caught her/she caught him on the way down.

    Sorry- not to do with ladies, but I am baffled by the fact that major events can happen on ice surfaces that don't meet the sport regulation. It doesn't seem like it should be Olympic ice or NHL ice- they need to pick one for the skater's to best prepare.

    I'm not sure you can do much to regulate ice quality, but I very much think that is why there have been spin issues.
  31. smarts1

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    Yay, we have three spots back!!! Ha to all of those who said it was nearly impossible! Though, I'm a little saddened that Ashley didn't skate the way she is capable of. :( It would have been nice if Ashley ended her season with a medal.
  32. judgejudy27

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    The real question is would even her very best skate have been good enough to beat Asada or Kostner tonight for a medal given their performances and scores. I am inclined to think no but it could have been close.
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    I don't think Ashley has the firepower to medal unless a lot of skaters have off nights.
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    ...Well that ever so mentioned 3rd spot was earned, are you all gonna start celebrating now? :lol: :D
  36. Mayra

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    Thrilled for the US ladies! :cheer2:

    Gracie placed 5th in the LP and 6th overall with a very respectable skate including 3/3. :) She definitely exceeded my expectations. Here's hoping she shows continued improvement heading into next season and sets herself up as a contender.

    :respec: to Ashley who really fought through that long program. I think she really felt the pressure to help secure those 3 spots and despite the silly mistake on the footwork she really came through. I hope she brings the 3/3 with her next season, because she could really be a contender with it.

    Overall a great showing by both girls IMO. :)
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  37. chipso1

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    After all the doom and gloom by certain posters here, Ashley and Gracie did MORE than enough to win back the coveted third spot. :D What a great night of skating!
  38. pinky166

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    So excited! Both girls were great and I hope this means we get to see Princess Gao in Sochi! :cheer: ((i know, i know...))
  39. judgejudy27

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    Wagner knows she has to work really hard on 3-3 and 2 axel-triple toe combinations over the summer, and work really hard on her spin levels. She desperately needs that if she has designs on an Olympic medal.

    Gold needs to continue focusing on improving her artistry, but mostly just keep going in the direction she is now. Gaining more experience and confidence, and with it greater consistency. We can already sense how dangerous a clean Gold would be to nearly everyone not named Yu Na Kim.
  40. judgejudy27

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    You know Wagner and Gold are going to the Olympics next year even if one just takes a giant dump on the ice at Nationals and leaves. This years Nationals shows how far into their corner the USFSA is now, and after regaining that 3rd spot for the U.S after all these years they will only be that much moreso. That 3rd spot is so wonderful and great as it gives several other ladies the chance to dream and shoot for the Olympics. I think Gao and Zawadzki have the best shots at it personally and that it will be one of those two if I had to guess now. I hope Gao, especialy if Zawadzki performs like she usually does at Nationals.