U.S. Ladies [#6]: "Swaggering with the S'Wagner" et al. into 2013

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  1. Alex Forrest

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    See, I don't give up on that mythical third spot. Who was third in 10? I hope it wasn't Ashley, but I'm thinking it is now. Imagine if she could have just gone there, done her 3Z-3R in the short, and just done her thing? Even if she fell, you know her presentation and line and spins, and jumps, and overall skating could NEVER compare to the national champion that year. Our national champion that year beat Yuna Kim in the FS at SA, so she HAD to go to Olys. She had the package, right Freezing? The perfect spins, jumps, body, presentation? I'm sorry, I think I was born in 1933 and am in charge of international committee at USFS. Whups.
  2. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    It was Ashley.
  3. smarts1

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    Yeah, but unfortunately, Agnes can barely handle her nerves at GPs. How would she be able to handle the pressure of Worlds? That isn't happening. If she is sent to Worlds, it'll be a disaster.
  4. RD

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    Unfortunately it seems that (at least in the short term) you can lump Gracie Gold in that category, too. We may be eternally doomed to 2 spots for the foreseeable future...

    Best hope for us (and it is still a heck of a gamble) is probably Wagner + Nagasu
  5. Jammers

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    Nagasu has now become the go to skater when the pressure is on? :confused:
  6. smarts1

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    ^ Well to the very least, Mirai has had some excellent FS at various competitions. When was the last time Zawadzki had a good FS? 2011 JWs?
  7. pinky166

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    2012 COR come on guys. She hasn't bombed a FS in a while. People need to give Agnes a break. She's getting better and better each time out and I think that's worth noting.
  8. demetriosj

    demetriosj Well-Known Member

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    True. She does not have nerves of steel.
  9. HSGP21

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    Tell us how you really feel... glad you're not Agnes' coach


    sorry- that was supposed to have a quote attached to it... I feel sorry for these girls, Ashley had weak nerves for years, and now with some maturity and training is doing well. I'd like to think Agnes or Mirai would be capable of the same... maybe London worlds are too soon, but maybe not! Can't doom them before they fail!
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  10. Coco

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    I'm not too worried about Gracie. She improved from SC to Rostelcom Cup, and I expect she'll improve 2013 Nationals to 2014 Nationals.

    Her trajectory is really quite normal for an emerging senior lady. But the expectations are just. so. damn. high. Almost everyone wants her to step into the role of Kwan 2.0. That's never going to happen for many reasons. I will be thrilled if she reaches her full potential. I think the biggest barrier to that is not her nerves, which seem normal, but the lack of touring opportunities. Without those, how & where will she experience the massive growth that needs to happen on the 2nd mark side?
  11. RD

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    Well...I challenge you to name someone (besides Wagner) who you think is TRULY more reliable than she is...

    ETA: with all due respect to the current field, IMHO it's sort of like a "best of the worst" situation. They ALL struggle with nerves and inconsistency...that is the norm these days in the US, not the exception!
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  12. RD

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    I feel the same way. In the long term, she'll be fine. But right here, right now- the pressure and the hype is just too much.

    It really is a vicious cycle, though. The other new girls are probably loving the fact that they don't have such a bright spotlight shining on them...
  13. Theatregirl1122

    Theatregirl1122 Well-Known Member

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    Do you just throw sentences at a wall to see what sticks or do you actually think any of this makes sense.
  14. jlai

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    IMHO, skaters like Gold and Agnes Z didn't get enough international junior experience before getting under the lime light. Part of it was they didn't get JGP or got only one because they didn't place well at nationals the previous year. And then all of a sudden, they won jr ladies and did well at jr worlds and then they went senior and are expected to be the next big stars. Had they done a full JGP season they might have learned more about competing under pressure before doing comps at the big stages
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  15. cbd1235

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    Are Mirai's nerves that bad? Seems to me like she handles herself pretty well in competition most of the time. She's had some issues the past couple years but I don't attribute those to nerves specifically. More body changes and possible training issues.

    I'm all for pick the best skater tonight :) But I do think that Mirai would do a better job than Agnes at worlds this year, but of course who's to know! I also like Gao and think she's pretty reliable this season but she sort of has a PCS cap that is lower than what Mirai could achieve. Therefore she's more of a smart and safe choice. Personally I think a gutsy choice for the 2nd lady might be needed in order to grab a 3rd spot. Just my thoughts.
  16. victoriaheidi

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    Had Mirai and Agnes skated in each others' spots (with the same skates), IMO, Mirai would be 2nd or 1st.
  17. UGG

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    Is the LP not being televised today? I cannot find any info on it

    And for the record, I really hope the world team is Ashley and Mirai. Mirai is a national champion, has been to worlds once, and is also an Olympian. I really think she is the best bet to send with Ashley.
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  18. RD

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    in the US, it's on NBC tonight in prime time.
  19. Alex Forrest

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    Haha, I actually understood what I meant, though maybe you couldn't.

    Also, serving popcorn at a Dollar Cinema makes you no closer to being a Theatre girl than the old prostitute hanging out in the alley outside the theater.
  20. smarts1

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    :( for Mirai. Everything looked to be going so well for her this season. Guess the world team is Ashley/Gracie...
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    DAMN. CRAZY.
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  23. cbd1235

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    Sad for Mirai :(

    Happy for Gracie :)

    Happy for Wagner (not even kidding, she needs to learn how to deal with mistakes sooner rather than later, these events will help her in the short and long term)

    Happy for Gao :)....think she should have placed a little higher but it is what it is. Lot of 5th places for her :/
  24. chipso1

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    I think the judges got the top two right. Ashley & Gracie are deserving of World trips.

    For the second year in a row, Agnes wuzgifted in a big way.

    Christina was hosed. And Mirai has been dumped. :wuzrobbed:
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    Thrilled for Yasmin....kind of crazy the the JPG standouts were beaten by Siraj. Could she be sent to Jr Worlds? She would need minimums?
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    If Ashley doesn't go to Four Continents, I wonder if they will send Courtney or Christina? Will Mirai qualify for GP Assignments next season?
  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Siraj attained the minimums for Junior Worlds at her one JGP in Latvia in the fall of 2011.

    I don't think Wagner needs to go to 4CC. I hope both Hicks and Gao receive another assignment.

    Nagasu is currently #10 on the ISU Seasons Best score list for her NHK Trophy score of 176.68, so I think she can be hopeful about 1 GP assignment next season (unless the GP selection rules are changed re. the skaters with the top 24 SB score being guaranteed 1 GP).
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  28. jlai

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    Siraj has the smallest jumps of the top ladies. That said, she has some of the best edging in the business, and I admire edges. So for that, I hope she kicks butt at jr worlds (which I assume she'll get).
  29. Mayra

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    Beyond the wuzrobbed and negativity, I have to say I'm really excited for the US ladies. There is a depth of talent that I had no idea existed. :eek:

    Ashley is fab and really turning into an amazing artist, Gracie is an incredible athlete and has plenty of room/time to grow. Zawadzki IMO has grown tremendously as a skater since leaving Tom Z and two bronze medals at Nationals is nothing to sneeze at.

    It is so easy to forget that Hicks was out for weeks (months?)with a broken tibia but her comeback is even more impressive for it. :respec: Meanwhile, Gao has somehow managed to find the magic recipe for juggling an Ivy league education and skating and is skating better than ever.

    All in all, I thought Nationals had a lot of positive aspects for the US ladies. As someone who has been very critical about the status of our ladies, I'm happy to say they proved me wrong tonight. :cheer2:
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  30. judgejudy27

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    Gold was most definitely not robbed. While she definitely deserved to win the LP I actually think her score was a bit high, and her SP was much too high. Wagner didnt skate her best but based on her greater presentation and light years better SP she was the rightful winner for sure.

    One strange thing to realize is that Flatt is that it is now increasingly almost certain to end up with a more successful career than all of Nagasu, Gao, Zawadzki, Zhang, despite that she is the least talented skater of that whole group. I guess Zawadzki and to a lesser extent Gao still have a chance to change that if they continue until 2018, but they have alot of work to do.
  31. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Other than that random time she beat Yu-Na in the LP, I don't think Flatt's career is so much better than Nagasu. They each have one national title and Flatt has her 5th at Worlds vs. Nagasu's 4th at Olympics. Maybe you're counting 4CC though, which I really don't follow closely.
  32. victoriaheidi

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    Just finished.

    1. That was the weirdest, least ceremonious end EVER.
    2. Gold wasn't robbed. She skated well, but I still think 132 was a bit high. It wasn't the best skate I've ever seen.
    3. Ashley needs to fix that lutz towards the end, but she still deserved her title for an artistically excellent skate--and a brilliant SP two nights ago.
    4. CHRISTINA IN FIFTH AGAIN URRRGH :/
    5. The girls in the first of the two televised groups (I'm specifically calling out Cain, Wang and, to an extent, Miller) need to work on their music selections. That sets them apart from the top ladies, for sure.
    6. Saving the worst for last: the judges screwed Mirai. Sorry, but she skated better than her scores say, and those tears had me in tears. And my mom, sister and I were screaming at the TV. (((hugs)))

    Overall, weird but, generally, good Nationals. Looking forward to int'l assignments.
  33. Sasha'sSpins

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    Sadly my nightmare came true again. Gao in 5th. Nagasu 7th. I feel no joy for these Championships but I will recover in time to root for Ashley and Gracie at Worlds.

    Couldn't have said it better.


  34. judgejudy27

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    Flatt's career is IMO better since:

    -She has more top 2 medals at Nationals and medals at Nationals
    -She has the World Junior title
    -She has more trips to Worlds
    -I believe she has more grand prix medals but I could be wrong on this
  35. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    Just throwing these out here for consideration:

    - Flatt has four senior GP silvers (2008 CoR, 2009 SA, 2010 NHK, and 2010 SA) to Nagasu's two silvers (2010 TEB, 2011 CoC) and a bronze (2012 NHK).
    - Nagasu has a senior-level ISU championship medal (bronze at 2011 4CC), which Flatt doesn't have.
    - Nagasu won the short program at 2010 Worlds; Flatt has never finished higher than fifth in a phase of World/Olympic competition.
  36. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    I think ISU judges preferred Nagasu and USFSA preferred Flatt.
  37. judgejudy27

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    Pretty much. The USFSA and their blind love for Flatt who was NEVER going to be an international star, while shunning more talented skaters like Nagasu, Gao, Wagner (until last year) even when they skated fairly well was quite the joke, but the USFSA got what they asked for which was 4 years of total mediocrity on the international stage while putting all their eggs in the baskets of an average skater (Flatt) and headcase who cant jump (Czisny), while shunning all others. There is still politics but atleast they seem to be favoring the right people now like Wagner, Zawadzki, and Gold.
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    Until she learns how to skate a clean LP, she should never be a favorite.
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    Surely I am no expert, but that Courtney Hicks is a pistol and I thought Christina Gao was very good and the best dressed of the competition.

    Courtney is like a bull in a china shop, which I really like. Tone her down a bit, refine her, and she'll be awesome. Speaking of toner, all these bad bottle blondes need it. Get them to a proper hairdresser who knows how to weave in high and low lights, not just plop some bleach on their heads. From the looks of Gracie and her twin, the twin does Gracie's hair, and refuses to let Gracie return the favor.

    Didn't Ashley have two falls, a couple of two foots, and doubled an intended triple? That seems like an awful lot of mistakes for a winner when skaters like Gao looked clean and Hicks looked so dynamic with one fall. Are her PCS really that good?
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