U.S. Ladies [#6]: "Swaggering with the S'Wagner" et al. into 2013

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  1. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    Not a hater i've been a fan of Mirai's since 2008 but she's not the same skater as she was in 2010. Sure she can win Nationals but i don't see her winning a medal at Worlds. After the Olympics i though we would see Mirai on the podium in the next few years at Worlds but who though 2010 would be her only trip.
  2. olympic

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    ^Why don't we all cut Mirai a break. She is 19, now an adult / acting more mature, has made some life changes, and appears to have identified / fixed those components to her training that needed work (ex- off-ice training). Technically, she's achieving better positions in her spins, getting the 3-3 down in her SP, and is backloading her LP. I don't get the gloom and doom. :confused:
  3. Marco

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    Wagner changed coaches last season. Nagasu changed coaches this season.

    But if this was the rule...

    Czisny won Nationals and one major senior international and then placed top 5 at Worlds in 2011. She did solidly at GPs in 2012 but fell a couple of times at GPF, injured herself and failed to defend her title at Nationals and bombed at Worlds.

    Wagner won Nationals and one major senior international and then placed top 5 at Worlds in 2012. She did solidly at GPs in 2013 but fell at GPF and ... :eek:
  4. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Now, Kostner didn't tame down her jumps and get her consistency down until AFTER she slowed down and got control over her skating.
  5. fenway2

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    Not a hater either. She's my favorite US skater right now in any discipline. Sick of some overly sensitive posters generalizing people as haters every time they read something they don't like. I hope Mirai surprises many people at nationals.
  6. jlai

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    I like Mirai, and hope Mirai surpirses. At the same time, I'm not surprised if she falls short. Competition is tough and I have seen a bit of the old Mirai and a bit of the new Mirai. So we'll see.
  7. smarts1

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    You guys need to give Mirai a break. I remember last year before Nationals I said that Ashley really had a chance to make it to the top and make a statement, and nearly everyone here scoffed it off like I was crazy. It's amazing to me how easily some people here write off skaters. Mirai once was thought to be the next big ladies skaters for the US, and who says she can't reach that form again? You guys also need to remember Mirai is normally a late season bloomer. Based on what we've seen this season, Mirai is heading back in the right direction to get back to the top.
  8. Vagabond

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    Cross-posting from here to get us all in the mood for U.S. Nationals:

    :)
  9. kwanatic

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    I have to disagree. She had a strong performance at NHK but she's capable of doing better. She URed two triples and didn't maximize levels on all of her elements (which she's capable of improving), so that means she's capable of scoring better than the 115 she earned. She's not the skater she was back in 2010 but then again who is? People grow up, change and evolve and I think 19 year old Mirai deserves that right just like every other skater...

    Some people peak early, some people peak late...then there are the rare ones who are able to maintain their position throughout their career. Mirai has had an up-and-down skating career but I think it's far too early to drop a curtain on her or proclaim that she's gone as far as she's capable of going. She's had a good year and is showing signs of improvement.

    If we've learned anything from Ashley it's that all it takes is a season of strong performances to turn the tables in your favor. Look at what she did...look at Akiko, Carolina, even Alissa for a while...all of these skaters started off roughly but eventually found their way. Who's to say Mirai can't do the same thing? :)
  10. RD

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    I agree. I had Nagasu as the dark horse this year - briefly switched it to Gao after TEB but I really think it is Nagasu people should watch out for. She's had some setbacks and is feeling less pressure - that can do WONDERS for confidence if you're not feeling the heat. Wagner, OTOH, will find out first-hand how tough it is to defend a title. She is probably more likely to succeed than Czisny, Flatt or Nagasu in the same role (mainly due to drive), but even the toughest competitors have off-days or can succumb to nerves if the stakes get high enough.

    Gold is another one I think will be on the podium somewhere...anywhere from an upset win (should she be totally ON and Wagner messes up) to maybe 4th or 5th if she has freeskate troubles. Somewhat reminiscient of Zawadzki...and speaking of Zawadzki, I wouldn't count her out either. Gao is a tossup (will we get SA Gao or GPF Gao?). Probably the toughest Nationals to predict in quite some time...
  11. Cheylana

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    How I long for the days of the U.S. skaters who didn't need a low/no pressure situation to do well. Like Kwan, Lipinski, heck even Hughes (wasn't a fan of her skating but girl had nerves of steel!). I don't mean to knock the current ladies, but seeing them struggle in high-pressure situations makes me appreciate how rare and special Kwan, Lipinski and Hughes's steely nerves really were.
  12. olympic

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    I got the impression that Gao messed up at the GPF only because she wasn't adequately prepared for it.

    The US really was spoiled in the era of Kwan, Lipinski, and Hughes. I think that especially accented the freefall of US ladies after 2006 Worlds.
  13. kwanatic

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    Well, here's my predictions for the ladies competition later this week. Count me as one who thinks Mirai is gonna shock a few people :)

    http://thenakedice.blogspot.com/

    I watched a bit of the juniors' SPs and I'm noticing a disturbing trend: a lot of them are doing the lazy, half-assed laybacks which really bothers me. The US has always been known for having strong laybacks and spirals. Between Kwan, Cohen and even Hughes, that area was locked up for the longest. Then enters Alissa, Mirai, Caroline and Ashley too.

    What's happening to the US ladies? I saw several of the junior ladies doing the Russian style layback (sideways leaning position to haircutter to Biellmann). I don't like it! Fix it! Fix it now!!:mad:
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    One of my criterion for favourite US ladies skater is their Layback and Spiral, I hold those in endlessly high regard!

    Fix it! Fix it! FIX IT JUNIORS! Thanks Kwanatic :)
  15. judgejudy27

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    How is predicting a silver or bronze for Nagasu thinking she will shock people (either just making or just missing the World team). I was under the impression that is what most are expecting from her at these Nationals. I enjoyed your write up for Nationals and thanks for showing it, but the boldest thing you predicted as far as placement was Wang finishing above Zawadzki, the rest was pretty much on par with the consensus predictions.

    I honestly would much rather see Gao make the team by finishing 2nd than Nagasu or Gold, but I dont think the judges will let that happen unless Nagasu and Gold both have a major error or two (atleast).
  16. PDilemma

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    I was at the junior ladies SP tonight and noticed the laybacks were not pretty. The friend who went with me is a very casual skating fan and got an earful about horrid free leg positions and such. She even recognized how bad a couple were when the turnout was just not there. Ugh. I agree completely; they all need to fix it. ASAP.
  17. pinky166

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    Idk I thought Gelb, Long, Chen, and Edmunds all had very nice laybacks.
  18. kwanatic

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    :lol: Well I guess I somewhat stated the obvious, huh? It's true, I do agree with what most people think but b/c it's my blog I like to state my assumptions/terrible predictions for the record. ;)

    A number of people are feeling that Gracie has the better chance of placing 2nd based on her technical content alone. The pressure is on Gracie to deliver (to back up all the hype) and for Ashley to deliver (b/c she's been doing so well and it hasn't been done in years). Mirai is definitely in the mix, without a doubt. However, I don't think people are as excited about her as they are Ashley and Gracie. That's why she's been labeled a bit of an underdog this year. I agree with those who think she may be able to benefit from not having the spotlight on her. No, it's not a profound or enlightening prediction but I feel the need to state it anyway...especially if she ends up coming in 2nd b/c then I get to say "told you so! told you so!" like I did last year for Ashley. :encore:

    I say we write a petition to the USFSA demanding that coaches force our ladies to stick to the classic layback position! No half-assed leaning ones! That's not the American way!! Don't let the old traditions die! :soapbox::soapbox: :rofl:
  19. victoriaheidi

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    I can't stand those weirdo leaning laybacks. Something about the classic layback is just gorgeous (when done right, that is). I get it, it's not that easy...but nothing in skating is easy. And that side one looks so ugly.
  20. olympic

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    I think Agnes might finish better, if only because she'll probably get a cushion from the SP
  21. mgobluegirl

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    This is OT in this thread, but I've been thinking for a while that the classic layback position should be a feature so that skaters can't get their high level by skipping over it. Or maybe the wording should be as it was before for the sideways-leaning feature (something like "sideways to back or reverse"), so that just hitting the sideways position and then foot-grabbing isn't good enough. Just IMO.
  22. kwanatic

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    ITA. I've thought that for a while. It should be the only way you can get a level 4 on a layback is if you can achieve that classic layback position with a sufficient lean in the back and leg positioning, or if they can't get the get the leg in the correct position, then the lean in the back should compensate for it like this. Even though she doesn't extend the free leg, her back is parallel to the ice, the spin is fast, the centering is good, and the positions she hits are clean and well executed.
  23. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    From what it looks like, both Czisny and Flatt have withdrawn....
  25. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Flatt was planning on coming to Nationals? I didn't even know.
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Flatt announced back in late October that she was ending her season. She may have been accidently listed as EW (Entry Withdrawn) in the SP start order that was drawn earlier today? Now Czisny and Vanessa Lam as listed as EW. Laney Diggs (5th in Senior Ladies at Pacific Coast Sectionals) has officially replaced Lam in Omaha.
  27. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Thanks, totally missed that.
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    Oh whoops, I forgot that Flatt made that announcement...
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    Well, the same can be said of Gracie, for example, also. She hasn't skated well under pressure either this season.

    So if Mirai deserves to place first or second at Nationals, the judges shoudn't place her there because, in your opinion, she shouldn't be sent to World's because of her results at a competition that took place in the past??!!
  30. kwanatic

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    Mirai's only been to worlds once...almost 4 years ago. She was just coming off of placing 4th at the Olympics (a total surprise) and was leading after the SP (a complete shock). She folded under the pressure.

    I agree she wasn't that great in 2011 and did look defeated before she took the ice, however she didn't "collapse". She wasn't great but she didn't collapse/implode either; she had a fall on a 2A and a botched spin. Personally, I think she did enough to place 2nd but Rachael was the go-to skater after Alissa that year so (as per usual at nationals) she was held up and the rest is a tibia-gate nightmare. Mirai did go to 4CC and place 3rd a few weeks later so...

    Mirai isn't the same skater she was in 2011 or last season. She looks more motivated, like she's having more fun and like she's enjoying skating more this year. Who knows how well she'll do? Give her a chance...
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    If the above competitors....Czisny, Flatt and Lam, or any other competitor, had all filed their paperwork with USFS (intent to compete at US Nationals, etc by the deadlines), then they are official entrants, and therefore would be posted as such. Once they are part of the official entrant list, the referee would list them as "EW: entry withdrawn" for the SP draw for the referee. SOP. ;-)
  32. kwanatic

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    I'll post this here too.

    http://thenakedice.blogspot.com/

    I'm on Twitter now (@NakedIceBlog)! I don't know if there's a thread for the forum in terms of Twitter (where everyone can follow each other; I found kwanette! ;) ) but if you follow me I'll follow you!
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    Thank you! She does seem to be in a better place and I hope that translates to the ice these next few days! :)
  35. Alex Forrest

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    That is a great interview with Mirai, and I wouldn't be surprised if she pulls another 2010 where everyone in the building thought she won, but didn't get the marks. I guess that's wrong, I'm sure a very cold rink Mom thought Flatt was perfection and deserved to win decidedly, but let's get back to reality. I love Ashley, love her packaging, but Mirai from day one was one of those 'special' skaters. Too bad the mindgames and UR's have held her back. I hope everyone skates well for themselves this weekend, but I'm Team Mirai (with a realistic attitude...). I hope she's proud of whatever she does, because her skating improved immensely in the last year and it was clear she has put the sweat in. This should be an interesting competition, because the politics scream Wagner/Gold for Worlds IMO.

    And doesn't Nagasu just come across as a more centered, and NICE young woman? She doesn't seem to have that b*tch quality that raises you to that final level, but dang she has all the skills needed to be a champion.

    After 2010 with Flatt emerging as national champ, I've lost faith in the sport (well it happened before then, but I thought Flatt's win was egregiously political and wrong). Now I just want everyone to skate their best and forget about getting a 7.5 PCS instead of the 8.5 they deserve. It's the only way I can watch the sport now, I just can't care about the outcomes. It's the skating that matters.
  36. IceAlisa

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    What frustrated me about Mirai at last year Nats, was that she'd be skating and performing and then kind of fade away and everything became mechanical, as if she just mentally checked out of there. Then she'd come back and perform again. I'd love to see her performing the entire program this time, in an engaged, exciting way.
  37. Sylvia

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    Re-posting this news from the US Nationals forum in Kiss and Cry:
    Tweeted by @LynnRutherford yesterday (Jan. 22) afternoon:
    "Leah Keiser may have a foot or ankle problem; she is limping a bit & missed some jumps in practice. Coach Nicks is concerned. #Omaha2013"

    ETA on Jan. 24 that there's now a statement by Keiser about her injury withdrawal from the Senior Ladies event on her site: http://leahkeiser.com/
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2013
  38. smarts1

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    Looks like Mirai will be in the mix up for the free skate!
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    How are you guys watching? I'd really like to watch and I don't have an IN subscription!
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    ^ Lol I'm just going to wait for the youtube videos lol
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