U.S. Ladies [#6]: "Swaggering with the S'Wagner" et al. into 2013

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  1. pinky166

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    The sense I got from Ashley was that she hadn't made up her mind one way or another regarding the 3-3 in the SP. My guess is she will try it in the practices at Nationals and if it is consistent there, she will go for it in the SP, but if it's not consistent in the practice, she won't risk trying it in the SP. Seems like a smart strategy. She'll have to see how she feels and moves on the ice at Nationals, then her success or lack thereof on the combo in practice will determine if its worth the risk of trying it in the SP where the pressure and expectations will be higher.
  2. Sylvia

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    ^^Good to know she's working at it. Her SP in COR was a vast improvement over SC but her LP was almost the same as SC. She's prone to popping and doubling jumps when she gets nervous so hopefully she'll keep her composure and complete the jumps.
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  5. olympic

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    According to the article, it looks like Gracie will go for a Rippon Lutz in the SP again .... That will give her a couple more points if executed cleanly
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  7. olympic

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    On the plus side, glad to hear that 1) the hip pointer is behind her and 2) Mills had Wagner back out on the ice post injury locking down the 3l -2x seq. to avoid any psychological barrier that might have taken hold about that sequence.

    It sounds like they are waffling on the 3-3 and 2x-3t, though. Perhaps that is in re Nationals only?
  8. kwanatic

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    ^^ More than likely. I think we're all in agreement that Ashley is the favorite to win and that if she can replicate her performances from TEB (or even SA for that matter) she will win here without a fuss. In light of that, the smart thing to do is to keep everything as is.

    A clean performance will score her through the roof at nationals w/o a 3-3. The judges/officials desperately want Ashley to win b/c she's the first skater in years who has the proper combination of drive, talent and consistency to reach the world podium. They want to send her to worlds as the 2-time US champ. That's a luxury for Ashley at this point b/c it means as long as she has two decent skates, she'll win. She doesn't need to push the envelope with 3-3s or even a 2-3 at this point.

    I don't usually agree with pre-selecting medalist but in this situation if Ashley skates well, she will get the title regardless of what Gracie, Mirai or anyone else does. Her technical content may not be as impressive as Gracie's (potential) technical content but she's got her beat pretty much everywhere else...
  9. smarts1

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    Any news on Mirai or Caroline lately? When are their conferences?
  10. dawnie

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    I doubt Zhang will get a conference. Wasn't she not even included in the program last year in San Jose?
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    What criteria determines who gets a conference?
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    I would think that skaters who generate interest would get a conference.. Caroline has been a non factor in everything for quite some time now..
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    I think the defending champ gets a conference, and perhaps the second place finisher. It's rather unusual for Gracie to get one, imho. Zhang finsihed 4th last nationals and pewter finishers don't get conferences.
  14. Marco

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    Isn't Gold a reigning Jr ladies champ?
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    That means she has to practice 3flip3toe for the short and 3lutz3toe and 2axel3toe for the free.

    Why not just do the 3lutz3toe and 3flip in the short so she doesn't have to practice one more big trick?
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    But this way, she maximizes her GOE in the sp, and shows a variety of composition, which has to help her pcs.
  17. olympic

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    ^True. The only change will come from adding the Rippon Lutz which she was hitting before the start of the season, anyway.
  18. kwanatic

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    In terms of potential, no one has more firepower than Gracie. However I'm not completely convinced she'll be able to hit everything she's talking up. I know she can do the jumps but, as I always say, ability counts for squat if you can't do it at go-time. I would think dropping the flip-sal combo (which I don't think she managed to do on the GP) will help her in terms of execution. She probably has a much higher success rate with the 2a-3t...

    This will be a good test for her. There's no pressure like your first senior nationals and unfortunately for her she comes in with a spotlight on her which will make it even tougher. None of the other girls debuting at senior nationals are getting this much attention (Angela, Hannah, Courtney, etc.) and that might just work in their favor in terms of pressure. Gracie's got a lot on her shoulders so it will be interesting to see how she handles the pressure/spotlight/expectation...
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    Angela Wang is not debuting this year at senior nationals. She competed last year as a senior and did quite well despite mistakes in her short.
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    I don't know, do most Jr. ladies champs get a teleconference?
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    As Wagner has said in her interviews, she will skate "smart"...so I am not really expecting a 3-3 from her. Maybe a 2A-3T in the LP, but I will be very surprised if she goes for the 3-3. The capacity to put a "new element" in at US Natls, when it hasn't been executed successfully early in the season in competition creates alot of anxiety for the skater. Will just have to wait and see....


    On the other hand, not sure what she is waiting for. If she is serious about being a "contender" in Sochi, esp now that Yuna appears to be back in top form, Wagner will have to up the ante and do a 3-3. I suppose Mr Nicks will hold off this year, and from the onset of next season, is probably when I would expect the 3-3 to show up. (And, perhaps try and get the flutz fixed)
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  22. kwanatic

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    I forgot; she placed 8th last year. But the other ladies are debuting...
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  23. kwanatic

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    Smart for Ashley is keeping everything as is. At SA and TEB with the layout she has she score 127+ points. Keep in mind those are scores from international judges. So if she keeps the same content, delivers a comparable performance to her GP performances, at nationals, in front of a panel of judges who are salivating to give her that gold medal and send her to worlds, she'll probably score somewhere around 130-135.

    She doesn't need to risk adding the content. The rest of her skating is head and shoulders above everyone else in the competition. For this competition especially, she needs to play to her strengths which is skating the content she has to her best ability and performing the hell outta her programs. If she does that, she'll be untouchable...
  24. Sylvia

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    I don't believe there are any set criteria. Some skaters may decline to be interviewed via teleconference call but agree to one-on-one calls with individual journalists. Media interest often is taken into account as well.

    Gold, Miller, Hicks, Ashley Cain, and Amanda Hofmann are the 5 ladies making their senior debut at Nationals this year.
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    ....and media interest is oftentimes generated when you can afford to pay an agent(s) to promote your case to media outlets. Not all skaters have that advantage, unfortunately.
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    Gracie looks great! Idk if it's the hairstyle and/or costume, but she looks a lot more mature physically and presentation-wise compared to last season. Her presentation has definitely improved, I still wish her arm movements were a bit softer, but everything else looks great. I expect she'll skate very well at Nationals, she's definitely done a lot of hard work improving in the areas she needed to work on this season.
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    If Gracie never makes it big in skating i don't think it will be for lack of working hard. She seems driven and is very mature for a 17 year old.
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    I think anyone who can compete at this level is driven and mature. All competitors are training their butts off and have the desire to win, naturally.....
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    Maybe Ashley will keep her programs as is for Nats, and then if she goes to 4CCs, try more difficult jump combos there, pre-Worlds. We'll soon find out.
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    Who from JPN and KOR will be at 4CC's? Will that figure into Ashley taking risks? I wonder what type of strategy Ashley will pursue at 4CC's ... or if she'll even make the trip all the way to JPN
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    Gold needs to improve her artistic ability and get more consistent on her jumps. All the talent is there. I dont think she will shine until post Sochi though, pretty much all the young skaters, including the young Russians, will be made to wait until most of the veterans retire.
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    From the USFS Facebook page:

    One poster in the Alissa thread in GSD suspects she dislocated her hip.
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    So sorry to hear about Alissa. :( *tears*

    And the hip dislocation sounds horrific!

    Honestly wishing her all the best; there's still next year, and she still has a chance to make the Team. In fact if we get 3 spots for next year my wish would be for Alissa to get that much coveted 3rd spot, just because her dream is to go to the Olympics, and she's been through so much, this will literally be her last shot.

    :kickass:GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ALISSA!!!!!:kickass:
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    Given the injuries among US ladies, I'm hoping skaters like Wagner and Cesario will listen to their bodies and try their best to stay healthy and fit.
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    ^ If any, it's Cesario. Has Ashley even ever pulled out of comp for an injury?
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    Update on Alissa Czisny via her coach, Jason Dungjen - new article posted in this GSD thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...ted-hip-ends-Czisny-s-bid-for-third-U-S-title

    ETA:
    Not that I know of (she withdrew from 2010 Junior Worlds ahead of time, but that was likely due to emotional exhaustion after not making the 2010 Olympic team).
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  39. Jammers

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    I think Ashley withdrew from Junior Worlds in 2010 because she had nothing to gain by going. She had already gone twice before and by 2010 going to a Junior competition was a step down especially after almost making the Olympic team.
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    I'm really bummed about Alissa missing Nationals. I wish for her a full recovery from her hip dislocate. :(

    Mirai apparently has the flu (or 'might' have it) per her twitter account.

    https://twitter.com/mirai_nagasu
    Mirai Nagasu ‏@mirai_nagasu
    I might have the flu and I might have just locked myself out of the car but I'm still rocking it. ��#nofilter http://instagr.am/p/UhWEXwi5V-/



    I hope she's okay for Nationals-it's so close now! :eek:
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