U.S. Ladies [#5]: All That Glitters Is Not Gold

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Thanks for saying something positive! :) I'm glad Agnes Zawadzki has a chance to compete her FS again at Japan Open next week, along with Ashley Wagner.
  2. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    After Nebelhorn & JGP Bled...

    2012-13 U.S. Ladies -- Top International Scores

    1. Agnes ZAWADZKI (172.95), U.S. Classic
    2. Gracie GOLD (171.15), U.S. Classic
    3. Hannah MILLER (158.52), JGP Linz
    4. Samantha CESARIO (157.72), JGP Linz
    5. Leah KEISER (156.33), JGP Istanbul
    6. Courtney HICKS (153.77), JGP Lake Placid

    7. Angela WANG (150.40), JGP Lake Placid
    8. Barbie LONG (147.19), JGP Bled
    9. Kiri BAGA (142.22), JGP Lake Placid
    10. Vanessa LAM (140.89), JGP Courchevel
    11. Ashley CAIN (136.51), JGP Courchevel
    12. Caroline ZHANG (124.13), Nebelhorn Trophy

    13. Nina JIANG (115.48), JGP Istanbul

    Upcoming assignments:
    • JGP Zagreb (Hannah MILLER, Angela WANG)
    • Finlandia Trophy (Mirai NAGASU)
    • JGP Chemnitz (Samantha CESARIO, Leah KEISER)
    • Skate America (Rachael FLATT, Christina GAO, Ashley WAGNER)
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  3. olympic

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    Edit- The Japan Open will just be the LP, correct? Interesting to see what Ashley will do and happy that Agnes gets another shot at tweaking it ...
  4. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I won't be including Japan Open on this list since it will be free skate-only.
  5. demetriosj

    demetriosj Well-Known Member

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    I am also glad that Agnes is improving this season.
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  7. os168

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    These 2 are :lol::lol::lol:

    There should be a Mirai and a Caroline reality show on IceNetwork with the the ups and downs of figure skating in USA with spectrum of guest stars, the Shibs, Abbot, Alissa, Adam, Weir, Lysachek, Kwan.. i sooo would subscribe :p

    It would be interesting to see if they can impart any wisdom :)D) with upcoming young skaters like Gracie, Agnis, Karen Chen etc.
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  8. krenseby

    krenseby New Member

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    Oh my God, shame on Mirai. She has been slowly but surely corrupting Caroline by introducing her to all these tv shows and turning her away from reading! Mirai's quite a sassy gal! Fashion, haircuts, and a sense of humor to boot!
  9. Alex Forrest

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    How fun! Reminds me of my nieces. All that teen speak and drama. They've decided I'm 'cool' because I can get their mom to a gutteral laugh in about five seconds. They always fight for phone time with me. Oh to be young again. The actuallys, likes, and ums. Priceless.
  10. icellist

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  11. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Both Gong and Kawamura have started college now, and so I assume training is not as much a priority for them as it once was (ETA that neither competed this summer AFAIK).

    Other current/past JGP competitors and this year's alternates scheduled for upcoming Regionals this month include Vanessa Lam, Katarina Kulgeyko & Carolyn-Ann Alba (SWP), Kiri Baga (UGL), Ashley Cain and McKinzie Daniels (SW), Yasmin Siraj (NE), Lauren Dinh (NA), [ETA] plus Becky Bereswill (EGL) and Laney Diggs (CP) in Senior; Barbie Long (UGL), Mariah Bell (SW), and Polina Edmunds (CP) in Junior.

    ETA that I've re-posted the above in the U.S. Regionals general discussion thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=85016

    ETA #2: I didn't mean to leave out 2011 Skate America competitor Joelle Forte (NA).
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  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Great to see Angela Wang perform a clean, winning SP today in Zagreb, Croatia! :) She set a new ISU personal best SP score for herself by over 10 points (58.47), landing 3Lz+3T, 3F, 2A, plus L4 for all 3 spins.

    Hannah Miller missed her 3Lo combo but landed 3F & 2A and skated the rest of her program with energy (L4 footwork again) - she's in 3rd (51.33) after the SP. Free skate is Saturday.
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  13. Jammers

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    Wang could surprise some people at Nationals this year since there are questions about some of the top finishers from last year like Alissa and Caroline.
  14. smarts1

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    ^ We'll have to see how she performs in the LP first. I'm hoping she doesn't crumble under the pressure of being in first after the SP, but I have a feeling she will... Angela and Hannah need to place no worse than second or third respectively to get to the JGPF.
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    Angela Wang's stellar 31.40 base value SP is probably the highest that we'll see this season from both Juniors and Seniors, unless Mao Asada puts a 3A in her program.
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    Angela isn't the first to achieve that base value this season ;) Technically, also, a lady with the same content and a level 4 step sequence to top it. ;)

    Congrats to Angela. it was a wonderful SP :)
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    Not to jinx anyone, but Angela doesn't strike me as the crumbling type. Granted she's never been in this position before, but her jumps are so fantastic, her speed is great, awesome layback spin, very nice footwork- I am so pleased to see her lay a short program down and get a score like that! Hannah and Angela both are tremendously talented and I can't wait to see how the rest of the season turns out for both of them.
  18. victoriaheidi

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    Let's not get too over-enthused about anyone just yet! I love Angela's skating (Hannah's, too) and I'd love to see them both do well, but sans pressure!

    So I'd say that I'm looking forward to seeing what they do in the free skate and beyond, and I'll leave it at that for now. :)
  19. smarts1

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    Congrats to Hannah and Angela for making the JGPF!
  20. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I've updated the U.S. Senior ladies' international scores table in my blog: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/scoretracker/2012-2013-senior-ladies-scores/
    Angela Wang has the highest JGP total score so far (162.65 today in Croatia), but she scored higher in the FS in Lake Placid (105.69), landing 6 triples there vs. 5 triples today (popped her 3F). She has landed her 3Lz+3T+2T combo (base value of 11.40) in both of her JGP free skates this season.
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  21. demetriosj

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    Great for Angela Wang! She's on a roll! Good to see another skater able to vie for one of the two top spots at Nationals!!!!! (She should have placed much higher at last year's Nationals, IMHO)
  22. chipso1

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    After JGP Zagreb... and a total score 12.25 points higher than Lake Placid for Angela Wang!

    2012-13 U.S. Ladies -- Top International Scores

    1. Agnes ZAWADZKI (172.95), U.S. Classic
    2. Gracie GOLD (171.15), U.S. Classic
    3. Angela WANG (162.65), JGP Zagreb
    4. Hannah MILLER (158.52), JGP Linz
    5. Samantha CESARIO (157.72), JGP Linz
    6. Leah KEISER (156.33), JGP Istanbul

    7. Courtney HICKS (153.77), JGP Lake Placid
    8. Barbie LONG (147.19), JGP Bled
    9. Kiri BAGA (142.22), JGP Lake Placid
    10. Vanessa LAM (140.89), JGP Courchevel
    11. Ashley CAIN (136.51), JGP Courchevel
    12. Caroline ZHANG (124.13), Nebelhorn Trophy

    13. Nina JIANG (115.48), JGP Istanbul

    Japan Open (free skate only) scores: Ashley WAGNER (123.57); Agnes ZAWADZKI (89.95)

    Upcoming assignments:
    • Finlandia Trophy (Mirai NAGASU) currently 3rd after SP
    • JGP Chemnitz (Samantha CESARIO, Leah KEISER)
    • Skate America (Rachael FLATT, Christina GAO, Ashley WAGNER)
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    The fact that Ashley would only need a 50 point SP on top of what she scored in the FS to have the highest international score really shows that she controls her own destiny. Really hopeful to a bright future for the US ladies.

    RE Angela: Her jumps are incredible, right up there with Gracie's as the best in the US. I wish though that they both would spend more time on the second mark, I think Angela possibly needs a complete style makeover if she wants to truly be at the top. I think she has great potential though and a good heart!
  24. olympic

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    Mirai Nagasu just got bronze at Finlandia w/ a 163.09. Came back to score over 110 pts. in the LP which will put her in the 3rd place overall in the above tally
  25. Sylvia

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  26. olympic

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    What's interesting (and encouraging) to me is that Mirai has landed her most difficult combo, the 2x-3t cleanly in her 2 most recent competitions this year (Glacier Falls and Finlandia), and she's getting level 4's on all her spin combos. Her overall jumping ability has improved markedly over Glacier Falls. She is also returning to back-loading her program a little more than last year. I wonder if she'll be the dark horse at Nationals this year...
  27. modern_muslimah

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    IA. I like that Mirai is building on each competition. Mirai usually isn't an early season skater but her LP at Finlandia is encouraging and definitely something to build on for CoC. I hope this season is like 2009-10 or even better for Mirai. Once she gets comfortable with these programs, I think she will really be able to sell them. She just has to be confident.

    Congrats to her for winning the bronze! :cheer:
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    After Finlandia Trophy...congrats to Mirai on a good first outing!

    2012-13 U.S. Ladies -- Top International Scores

    1. Agnes ZAWADZKI (172.95), U.S. Classic
    2. Gracie GOLD (171.15), U.S. Classic
    3. Mirai NAGASU (163.09), Finlandia Trophy
    4. Angela WANG (162.65), JGP Zagreb
    5. Hannah MILLER (158.52), JGP Linz
    6. Samantha CESARIO (157.72), JGP Linz

    7. Leah KEISER (156.33), JGP Istanbul
    8. Courtney HICKS (153.77), JGP Lake Placid
    9. Barbie LONG (147.19), JGP Bled
    10. Kiri BAGA (142.22), JGP Lake Placid
    11. Vanessa LAM (140.89), JGP Courchevel
    12. Ashley CAIN (136.51), JGP Courchevel

    13. Caroline ZHANG (124.13), Nebelhorn Trophy
    14. Nina JIANG (115.48), JGP Istanbul

    Japan Open (free skate only) scores: Ashley WAGNER (123.57); Agnes ZAWADZKI (89.95)

    Upcoming assignments:
    • JGP Chemnitz (Samantha CESARIO, Leah KEISER)
    • Skate America (Rachael FLATT, Christina GAO, Ashley WAGNER)
    • Skate Canada (Gracie GOLD, Caroline ZHANG)
    • Cup of China (Mirai NAGASU)
    • Ice Challenge (Rachael FLATT)
    • Rostelecom Cup (Gracie GOLD, Agnes ZAWADZKI, Caroline ZHANG)
    • Trophee Eric Bompard (Christina GAO, Ashley WAGNER)
    • NHK Trophy (Alissa CZISNY, Agnes ZAWADZKI)
    • JGP Final (thus far: Hannah MILLER, Angela WANG)
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  29. toddlj

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    Don't forget:
    - Ice Challenge Graz (Rachel FLATT)
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    Thanks for the reminder! :)
  31. Mirai4life

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    Mirai is going to meet Julia, Kiira, Mao and Miki @ COC. Ahahaha
  32. smarts1

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    Mirai looks to be in a good place so far this early in the season. But I hate that so many skaters are switching to mohawk entries to their flip jumps. The three turn entrance is so much more pleasing to watch. I find it interesting her team put in two triple flips into her program. The flip is a more fragile jump for her than the lutz is...

    And her hair color is a few shades lighter. ;)
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    Mirai's LP looks good! Hopefully she will sort out her issues with the flip. Also, she got just a level 2 on both her SP and FS programs...they looked plenty complicated to me though!
  36. olympic

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    I just watched the video: Despite the fall, Mirai looks the best I've seen her in a while! Her jumps had nice spring and were tight in the air. Even if the 3z was a flutz, the rest of the jump was beautiful. I was also happy to see that after she messed up the 2d 3f, she was able to hit the rest of her jumps as planned. She just looks much more 'into it' and focused this year so far.

    If she had hit the 3f and made it a combo, her LP mark would've been around 115 pts. I would like to see her as the dark horse and a menace to Ashley and Gracie by Nats
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    Nagasu appears to be on the right track. I especially found it encouraging that she didn't give up after the fall, which has occurred so many times in the past...

    I did get a bit of a cold feeling from it, though. The performance element of it should develop with time.
  38. Marco

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    I am glad Nagasu got the 2axel3toe consistent. Once she gets the jumps down she will need to think about adding more content to the program, choreography wise.

    I actually think she would focus a little more on her spins. Both the flying spin and the combo spin look laboured. The layback on the other hand looks superb.
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  39. icellist

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    I don’t understand the big hype about Ashley Wagner this year. Her FS last year was dynamic. The choreography in her FS this year seems awkward. Sure, she sells the program but it seems very empty. Also, Ashley’s spins have progressively gotten slower. She still hits pretty positions but I miss the old fast spinning Ashley. Her lutz still seems like it comes off a flat edge. Ashley will always be competitive because of her spirit but I don’t think she’s the favorite. Nationals is going to be a battle between her, Agnes, Gracie and Mirai. (While I love Caroline too, the girl’s Nessun Dorma bored me to bits)

    I hope Agnes finds consistency this year. She is great to watch. I didn’t enjoy watching her at first during junior nationals and junior worlds but her packaging has gotten so much better without Zakrajsek. She’s a natural jumper and her spins have gotten so much better. I'd love to see her new SP.

    I can only smile in glee to hear that Gracie is working on her skating skills with ice dancing coaches. This is a girl that wants to get better and working hard to it. I don’t think she’ll immediately wow us but she’ll be a bright light in the future if she gets a spins specialist and new choreographer (I don’t like her programs this year :X)

    I thought the Finlandia tech panel was extra harsh on Mirai. Both of Mirai’s step sequences were level 2. Even though her SP step sequence needs to be rechoreographed, both sequences should have been level 3’s on par with Lipnitskaia’s. The underrotation on her first 3F is super harsh. To me, it did not look underrotated. The first loop and fall on the second flip might have been underrotated but not the first. I’m puzzled at her team’s decision to add a 3T-3T in the SP. The point value is close to the 3Lz-2T and on a good day, Mirai can try to do the 3Lz-3T or even 3F-3T. Oh and the edge call on the lutz in the FS. I call bullshit on that one. The angle the blade bends toward the camera had me positive that the lutz edge was correct. Her FS step sequence is choreographed beautifully. I miss the first bielmann spiral with dramatic hands in the first part of her choreosequence, but the latter was greatly improved. I’m very glad that she didn’t give up.
  40. victoriaheidi

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    The program has a lot of potential. It's just not 100% there yet. I'm sure there'll be some adjustments to the choreography, particularly before the 2 minute mark (it's actually pretty good in the 2nd half). And yes, her spins did get really slow! For those with more technical experience than I have, any potential explanation as to why her spins would slow so drastically?