U.S. Ladies [#5]: All That Glitters Is Not Gold

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vagabond, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    A clean and inspiring Nagasu with a 3/3 in the short and 6 triples and 2 2axels in the free will definitely be a strong contender for the second spot.

    Here's the catch. Last year she almost didn't miss the loop at all but had problems with the flip and axel/toe. This year she has the flip and axel/toe down but her loop is having UR issues again. Her opening jumps look so big this season. I wonder if she is using so much power to get the big jumps done that by the time the second half rolls around and she had to do the loops, she had little energy left. I guess she is just going to have to keep her stamina up.
     
  2. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    Cross-posting from an another thread that hasn't received much attention:

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  3. smarts1

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    I think it has mostly to do with her speed in the second half. After the second flip, she seems to be skating very slowly compared to the first half of the program.
     
  4. Coco

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    She only got an L2 for her steps at NHK, but L3 in China.

    I'm impressed with her for doing steps so early in the program, but perhaps she should intentionally go for L2 and save her legs for the triples in the 2nd half of the program.

    Really, she should do L1 steps and add the 7th triple, but apparently L1 steps are kiss of death or something.

    But it seems a no brainer. She's losing how much by getting "<" for 3 jumping passes? A lot more than she gains by going for the L3 steps.
     
  5. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Exactly. She gets tired and it affects the height of her jumps. Either she steps up on her stamina training or dials down on the other elements.
     
  6. olympic

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    I think Mirai's body is probably still adjusting to her new coaching situation and adjusted training techniques. Wasn't there an IN article a few months ago that stated Wendy Olsen was really ramping up the off-ice physical training?

    Thus, she's still a little wobbly with UR's and levels. Still, the big picture is that she's motivated and is losing that 'deer in the headlights' look
     
  7. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I was unaware Nationals a second Nationals in 2012 is being held. When will it be, between Christmas and New Years. :rofl:

    I supposed though if that happened and Zhang did an even more unlikely resurgence to some of her best ever skating at Nationals like last year (last season she was skating well in the early season smallish events she was in unlike this year) it would net her the same result as last year, something like 4th place. Even in that scenario I dont see the judges and USFSA ever sending Zhang as the 2nd women behind Wagner to Worlds with Olympic spots on the line, no way. Maybe had she built on her last season momentum so far this season it would have been possible had she killed it at Nationals and other made mistakes, but not anymore. I think there is only a select few they will even consider for that spot, regardless of the performances at Nationals. We will see though.
     
  8. olympic

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    What is terribly ironic is that back in '08 - '09, she had been the top US lady scorer finishing 4th at '09 4CC's behind Yu Na, Joannie and Mao in quite a stacked field, all at a time when her technique was worse. There were some saying that she (instead of Czisny) and Flatt should've been the US team at '09 Worlds.

    Since then, she suffers, falls, and comes back w/ mostly improved technique, only to be at the bottom of the rankings for our top ladies these days. I'm not a huge fan, but I sincerely hope she's not giving up and there is a logical reason for her bad performances so far this season! She's tried too hard to fail now.