U.S. Ladies 2010-11, part deux

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Sylvia, Nov 30, 2010.

  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    I thought I'd just go ahead and start a new thread and dropped "Senior" from the title.

    So, will it take us longer or sooner than 6+ months to reach 1000 posts like in the original thread? :p
     
  2. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Dornbush 2015!!!

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    Sooner. We drink more at this time of year. At least I do. :nopryde::rockstar:
     
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  3. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    If it takes longer than six months, someone would start a 2011-12 thread before this one gets filled up.

    During and after Nationals, this might as well be the one-stop shop for discussing US ladies. Except the actual competition reports.
     
  4. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    That depends on how Christina Gao does at Nationals, and how often she's hyped leading up to Nationals. :p
     
  5. blade runner

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    Chipso1 there is something about you I like.

    Your post tend to be pretty accurate and analytical.

    Sometimes really funny! ;)
     
  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Aw, you're just sayin' that 'cause he's a big fan of Agnes Zawadzki! :saint:

    Hey chipso1, can you please repost your U.S. Ladies international scores list?
     
  7. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

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    Sylvia, you get snarkier every day. I love it :D
     
  8. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    Aww, shucks. ;)

    BUT a Mirai uber all the way. :D

    I'm also a fan of the new, snarkier Sylvia! :)

    Updated List -- Through Trophee Eric Bompard
    Just for fun! :)

    Top scoring U.S. Senior Ladies

    1. Alissa CZISNY (172.37) Skate Canada
    2. Mirai NAGASU (167.79) Trophee Eric Bompard
    3. Christina GAO (167.14) JGP Austria
    4. Ashley WAGNER (167.02) Cup of Russia
    5. Rachael FLATT (162.86) Skate America
    6. Yasmin SIRAJ (161.75) JGP Sheffield

    7. Vanessa LAM (156.41) JGP Ostrava
    8. Agnes ZAWADZKI (154.35) Skate Canada
    9. Kiri BAGA (138.70) JGP Japan
    10. Kristiene GONG (134.32) JGP Sheffield
    11. Caroline ZHANG (133.86) NHK Trophy
    12. Melissa BULANHAGUI (133.72) Nebelhorn Trophy

    13. Amanda DOBBS (132.45) Cup of China
    14. Alexe GILLES (125.64) Skate Canada
    15. Karen ZHOU (123.63) Coupe de Nice DNQ to Nationals
    16. Felicia ZHANG (123.16) JGP Dresden
    17. Samantha CESARIO (122.39) JGP Romania
    18. Kristine MUSADEMBA (119.45) Cup of China

    Mirai improves upon her CoC score by more than 20 points and moves from 8th to 2nd. :respec:

    Grand Prix Finalists: 2nd qualifier -- Czisny (26), 6th qualifier -- Flatt (26). Nagasu (22) is the 2nd alternate, and Wagner (18) is the 3rd alternate.

    Upcoming events:
    Czisny and Flatt (GPF)
    Gao, Siraj, Gong (JGPF)
     
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Back to my "boring" self ;) ... I'd like this thread to include the lesser-known/discussed US ladies. RD found and posted this link to this "Figure 8 This" blog article about Melissa Bulanhagui that's written by a former competitive skater: http://daniellecandela.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/melissa-bulangagui-gears-up-for-nationals/
     
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  10. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

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    Well, it was fun while it lasted... :)

    I'm a fan of Alissa and Ashley. :p

    I think it will definitely take less than 6 months to reach 1000 posts, especially if we're expanding the discussion to all levels, not just Senior. This is the 'meaty' part of the season and prime time for uber wars.
     
  11. Squibble

    Squibble New Member

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    :fragile:

    :wuzrobbed

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  12. RD

    RD Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I was just about to post this over here and nearly hit the submit button before seeing this...here are the relevant quotes, the important one in bold:

    The question I then posed was, well, CAN she do it? We've been talking about the Contenders this whole time, but how do some of the lesser knowns fit in? Will there be surprises? There is about an 18 point difference between her Nebelhorn Trophy score and Amanda Dobbs' 6th place score at last year's Nats. Is that attainable?

    BTW, I like it when skaters aren't shy about stating their ambitions and goals.
     
  13. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    Melissa CAN do it, but she needs to have a squeaky clean performance. The judges aren't too generous with her program components.
     
  14. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Bulanhagui skated a pretty clean SP at Nebelhorn Trophy in September (her jumps were 3Lz+2Lo, 3S and 2A) and her 2nd place score (51.20) is her highest SP score of this season so far. She was only 5th in the FS in Germany but held on for the bronze, her first senior international medal in her first attempt. She has gone for the 3A at Liberty for the past few summers and although she has stood up on the jump in the attempts I've seen, it has been downgraded by the tech. panel (it got the << in her FS at Liberty and was worth only 1.92 points). Bulanhagui has finished 12th (2007), 8th (2008) and 12th (2010) in her 3 Nationals as a senior.
     
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  15. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. It's possible, but even if she goes clean I'm not sure her PCS will be in the mid-to-high 6s, which is probably what she would need to average to be top 6 after the short.
     
  16. RD

    RD Well-Known Member

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    51.20. Hmm. With at least 4 or 5 ladies capable of scoring 60 points or higher (national scale) it's gonna be tough for her to make the final group unless there are mistakes from multiple Contenders (think Wagner's meltdown in 2009). Nagasu, Flatt, Czisny, Wagner can do 60...Gao, Zawadki high 50s. Zhang, not sure.

    I take it Mel B will need the SP of her life + help from the top to make top 6- although making it to the 2nd to last group (and therefore on TV) isn't out of the question I guess.
     
  17. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    It's going to be tough for sure, but I certainly admire her drive and ambition.

    I think she might have to go for the 3A in the SP. If the jump is called 3A<, she'll still get more points than a clean 2A, right? The risk of course is getting the jump downgraded. That's the worst possible scenario.
     
  18. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Hey now, I like other skaters too, like Mirai and Amanda and Samantha! A podium of those three and Christina would make me :swoon:
     
  19. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Top 15 SP scores so far this season of the international competitors that have qualified for 2011 US Nationals at the Senior level:
    58.76 Nagasu (Cup of China)
    58.07 Gao (JGP Austria)
    56.84 Zawadzki (Cup of Russia)
    56.17 Wagner (Cup of Russia)
    55.95 Czisny (Skate Canada)
    55.66 Siraj (JGP Great Britain)
    53.69 Flatt (NHK Trophy)
    53.05 Lam (JGP Czech)
    51.20 Bulanhagui (Nebelhorn)
    50.70 C. Zhang (NHK Trophy)
    50.09 Baga (JGP Japan)
    47.08 Gong (JGP Romania)
    46.53 Dobbs (Cup of China)
    45.95 F. Zhang (JGP Germany)
    43.01 Cesario (JGP Romania)

    Top 5 Senior SP scores at US Regionals or Sectionals:
    60.48 Zawadzki (Southwestern Regionals)
    56.98 Czisny (Midwesterns)
    53.64 Lam (Pacific Coasts)
    52.13 Cesario (Easterns)
    48.28 Forte (Easterns)

    ETA the averaged SP scores of the 11 skaters above that had 2 internationals this fall:
    58.74 Nagasu
    56.57 Zawadzki
    55.73 Czisny
    54.55 Wagner
    52.87 Gao
    52.36 Flatt
    50.68 C. Zhang
    49.92 Baga
    49.19 Siraj
    46.58 Gong
    46.18 Dobbs
     
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  20. RD

    RD Well-Known Member

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    I don't know her consistency on it, but isn't the worst case scenario FALLING on it? Then she'd clearly be out of the running.
     
  21. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    Well falling on a rotated or under-rotated one would still be better than getting a downgrade...then she's only down to a 3.3 base value with - GOE.
     
  22. RD

    RD Well-Known Member

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    Ah, I see. Boy is that messed up or what...JMHO
     
  23. chipso1

    chipso1 Well-Known Member

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    Baga's latest tweet:

     
  24. smarts1

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    Guess Gao won't be on the World team this year...
     
  25. mrinalini

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    Guess pinky will have to suck it then. :p
     
  26. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Oh hush, it's ONE program at ONE event, she has been skating well at every other competition so far this season. You don't know what will happen at nationals.
     
  27. smarts1

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    ^ I'm pretty certain her lack of experience will hurt her at Nationals. Moving up from a junior to a senior program will also hurt her stamina.
     
  28. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Well, Gao finished 5th in her senior debut at Nationals last year after competing on the JGP and at the Final. All skaters have rough skates from time to time -- they're only human. Let's see what happens in the FS tomorrow for Christina, Kristiene Gong (who had a decent SP performance today) and Yasmin Siraj.
     
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  29. Jenna

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    Kristiene performed quite well today. I underestimated her talent. She has a a gorgeous lutz. With a decent flip and a touched up axel, she could be a top 6 spoiler at Nats.

    I also think it's too early to write Gao or Siraj off. They both obviously performed way under their ability today. Let's see how they do tomorrow.
     
  30. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    I agree! It's just one program at one competition and they could still be fighting jetlag, etc. Also it's Yasmin's first big international event so it would make sense that she was maybe more nervous than usual, and as for Christina, she has clearly grown up a lot in the past few months so it's pretty impressive she can do a 3-3 at all after that kind of growthspurt. Wishing them all good luck tomorrow!