U.S. FS launches Solo Dance

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  1. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    From a club side where you are trying to promote the sport to a whole range of people, having the solo dance events will help keep skaters in competition whereas they may have left the sport due to a lack of a partner. Those skaters also provide an income stream for the coaches who can still teach them the skills and technique.

    You know, a beautiful skater is a beautiful skater, no matter what discipline they are doing. I attended a solo roller competition and there was one girl who just had it. My first thought was she should have been on the ice.

    When you have the roller sports who have really developed the solo dance culture compared to the ice side of things, it probably isn't surprising of the number of roller skaters doing solo dance as opposed to ice dance. We still have this thing in ice skating that ice dancing is not dancing unless it is with a partner.
  2. Ozzisk8tr

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    Actually roller has the issue of not many men period. When youngsters start skating majority of them are pushed into every discipline for the first few years or so. Solo dance was specifically started because of the lack of male partners. The issue they are having now with men deciding to skate solo dance as opposed to with a partner was a problem they did not see coming and are still trying to work out what to do.
  3. Mafke

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    hmmmmmm why could that be? Why might many male dance skaters not want to be in close physical contact with a pretty female skater? I wonder....
  4. AlexDSSF

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    What are the chances of solo dancing becoming part of international figure skating in the future?
  5. Aussie Willy

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    I don't see it having a role in a world championship (if that is what you are asking). Although there is nothing stopping it having international type events where you could get competitors from multiple countries competing.
  6. victoriaheidi

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    Imo, roller's biggest issue is that it doesn't lead to the Olympics. I can't say why I think it gets in the way, but it's not that expensive (as sports go) and you can basically try it anywhere (backyard, street, etc.). Why else would guys rather be figure skaters?

    And, for that matter, I can't figure out why roller sports (hockey, speed or any form of artistic/figures) haven't been added to the Summer Olympics.
  7. Ozzisk8tr

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    I 100% agree that not being in the Olympics is roller's biggest problem. However, there were no ice rinks (or coaches) where I was growing up so what choice did I have? Abut roller not being expensive, my boots plates wheels and bearings are worth close to 1500 dollars. Skaters often have three pairs of skates (figures, dance, free) and they last about the same as an ice skate. Not to mention you need to buy numerous sets of wheels thourghout the year and they run around $150 a set. Lessons are about $50 per hour fr an average coach, costutmes are the same price as Ice. Basically Ice or Roller figure skating is extremely expensive. Roller Sports have been trying desperately to get into the summer Olympics for years. We got down to the final four last time but missed out again. Speed and Hockey would get in before Artistic, basically because artistic is based on opinion as opposed to first over the line. The argument of "look what happens with judging and results of figure skating in the winter Olympics" has been mentioned often by the Olympic comittee to FIRS (Federation of International Roller Sports).
    Don't get me wrong, we know we are the ugly sister relegated to the corner. In some ways we are further ahead than ice, in other ways we lag behind.
  8. victoriaheidi

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    I've done some roller skating, but never competitively (I don't live close enough to a rink to commit to a regular training schedule). While I love ice, I really love roller (not so keen on inlines, though) and wish there were more competitive opportunities for roller skaters.

    I also don't know where I got the cheaper thing from; I feel like someone may have thrown that out when I was just getting started in roller skating (but the cost of gas to and from the rink would have killed it, anyway).
  9. Ozzisk8tr

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    Totally agree about inlines. They are a gimmick thing that I feel the world roller body introduced to try and build the sport and cash in (not negatively) on the inline skate craze that was sweeping the world at the time. What I've found is that the parents aren't prepared to commit the money and time to something that isn't an Olympic sport. Not all the time obviously but we've lost some really talented people because of this. In Europe (Especially Spain and Italy) Artistic roller skating is huge. At world level roller has solo dance which has been discussed in another thread, but they also have this amazing event called showgroups. It's sort of like synchro but it's completely show based. They actually say in the rules to avoid synchro tricks, I didn't think much of this event until I saw it and it's now my favourite event at worlds. Talk about being voidy!!! This is the recent World Championship Showgroup winners from Spain. They were water pipes, or something...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5vI_BxUcpk&feature=related
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  10. gkelly

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    Cool.

    What would constitute "synchro tricks"?

    I can't imagine Showgroups (on ice or roller), or Theatre on Ice, ever being admitted to the Olympics if choreography is always more important than technical content.

    That does make it more enjoyable for audiences though.
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  11. allezfred

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    I think the only mistake I've ever seen Skary Babs make was picking Maurizio as a partner. :p
  12. Dramahkween

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    I kind of like this idea, and I wish it was around back when I was a lonely dancer looking for a partner! If I had something like this, I wouldn't have retired....It reminds me of some of the very early dance tests like the Pre-preliminary through Pre-Bronze levels.
  13. victoriaheidi

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    Yeah, no need to convince me about inlines. :rolleyes:

    I spoke about "pattinaggio rollare" in my Italian class, and my teacher was very excited because roller skating is a big deal in Italy. :)

    Kind of a shame that parents feel that way, though, because roller sports are great exercise and a ton of fun (not to mention, so few people make the Olympics).
  14. DORISPULASKI

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    And if you reach that level in roller, you can convert to ice:
    O'Connor & Millns
    Tara Lipinski
    Caydee Denney
    Also weren't their an Italian pair who had been world champions in roller who tried ice skating in this last quad?
  15. Aussie Willy

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    ^ Yes there was and they have been talked about alot on this forum. I really liked them. However I can't remember their name at the moment.

    Also I think in the 80s a lot of German skaters did both.
  16. beepbeep

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    Marika Zanforglin/Frederico Degli-Espositi.
    They're awsome.

    And there's Matteo Guarise (I think it's him, can't remember well), also a pair skater, that took it to the ice last year.
  17. DORISPULASKI

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    Didn't Marina Kielmann do both?
  18. Ozzisk8tr

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    Yes. There are a few who have made the transition.
  19. Lacey

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    Not sure I knew this, interesting.
  20. victoriaheidi

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    I know Caydee Denney did make the transition, but I didn't know that she was a major competitor. I did know, however, that both of her parents were world-class roller skaters.
  21. MacMadame

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    There already are some competitions like that for adult skaters. They are ISU events even.

    In the US, we call that Theater on Ice.
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  22. Lacey

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    Oh yea, that bit about the parents is ringing bells.
  23. DORISPULASKI

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    Caydee

    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00011450.htm

    I'm assuming she swapped over at age 10, then ;)
  24. Aussie Willy

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    Yes I know. I have friends who go to Obertsdorf and some of the European events. But they are not world championships, they are international events that welcome skaters from many countries. You don't have to go through qualification in your country to earn the right to compete. But the event is sanctioned by the ISU.
  25. leafygreens

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    I agree gkelly - I'm really excited about this! It will give me something to keep working on when I'm done with my MIF tests, instead of giving up because I can't do triple jumps. It's not realistic to expect people to find partners in order to dance so this is something I really support. Look at dancing on a stage - lots of people do it solo and become really good at it - why not ice skating?
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  26. skatemommy

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    I competed at the inaugural Solo Dance event at US Adult Nationals 2 years ago. Those ladiez very competitive (meaning excellent dancers). This was while Gold Pairs was on in the other rink, the winner damn near got a standing ovation for the choctaw in the Blues. It was a thing of beauty!
  27. DreamSkates

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    Could be interesting.
  28. Bunny Hop

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    Solo dance doesn't just consist of compulsories though. I have no idea about other countries, but in the UK they have solo free dance as well - spinning is allowed, just not jumping. The free dances are made up of footwork and spins.

    And I completely agree about the Rhythm Blues - the cross behinds are evil.
  29. Ozzisk8tr

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    Roller solo dance comp at worlds is two compulsories and a 2:30 solo freedance.
    Last years compulsories were the Argentine Tango and the Paso Doble. Freedance must have at least one but no more than two three revolution spins (no more than three, which is a real problem as it should be more rotations) and at least one single revolution jump. You get some really interesting jumps happening (L.O.F to L.O.F. loop jumps, walleys, pat lowe's).
    There are also a diagonal step sequence and a straightline step sequence.
    The hardest thing about solo freedance is to create a mood with one person. When there's two people it's easier to create conflict. I suppose you could always do a solo freedance based on Sybil... :shuffle:
  30. gkelly

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    If you look at the announcement linked at the page linked in the first post of this thread, though, there doesn't seem to be an immediate plan to include solo OD/SD or free dance in the US solo dance series and championship.

    I believe Lake Placid has had solo events OD events the last year or two, so eventually there may be enough events that offer it to work into the championship. I hope that will be the case. But it's not yet an established discipline in the US.
  31. Ozzisk8tr

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    I do hope it develops on ice as it has on roller. It will take time but all things have to progress. It has been a great financial gain for the roller federation (as has show groups, with a recent Showgroup competition in Europe having over 1000 competitors :eek:). You really get to see some amazing skaters with incredible skills, both technical and performance wise. They just don't jump or spin.
  32. Aussie Willy

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    There is a coach in Brisbane, Australia who has worked really hard to get acceptance of solo dance into the rulebook. She teaches quite a few solo dancers along with another coach I know in Sydney. So it is growing.

    From a judging perspective, it also gives someone like myself the opportunity to judge more ice dance in competition. Because we don't have enough couples, even though it is growing very very slowly.

    And here in Melbourne with a lot of adults taking up the sport, it might provide opportunities for those who don't like to jump and spin.
  33. DORISPULASKI

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    Are there no dance spins in solo dance, in the FD?
  34. Sk8swan

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    Finding this thread a bit late I guess :p but adding my 2 cent about rollerskating considering what have been discussed here so far.

    1. Artistic Roller Skating will never become an Olympic sport I'm afraid: it's not spread worldwide enough and it's not helping that one nation (Italy) is basically winning everything at world level (imagine what would be the influence on medal count in the Olympic contest...); I'm not the only one saying it (I'm just a former rollerskater but low level one!) also champions in the sport think this (that's why some decided to give ice skating a try).
    2. The pair who switched to the ice you were thinking about is Marika Zanforlin & Federico Degli Esposti, 4-time world roller skating pair champions. They switched to the ice in 2007 with the dream of competing in the Olympics. They managed to get the spot for Italy at the 2010 Olympics but couldn't compete there in the end because of several unfortunate circumstances (like him getting bronchitis just before Euros, the competition which should have decided the pair to be sent in Vancouver and which forced them to withdraw). For those interesting in their unique story you can check their website: http://deglizan.ucoz.com/index.htm. They decided to end their competitive career last year when they were at their pick imo. Here's their long program at 2010 Italian Nationals http://www.megavideo.com/?v=W7XOUOY5 (impressive what they managed to achieved in such a short amount of time considering that they've also been working regular jobs and never committed to the sport full-time!). Now they're coaching both on rollers and on the ice and doing exhibitions in both sports :)
    3. As for solo-dance here are the performances of 2010-2011 World champion (a girl from my former club btw :)) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3utvSB0EkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQGU5B2hQRM
    4. Showgroups are really BIG in Italy! National championships last about a week and there are hundreds of competitors attending! The level has gone sky-high in the last few years as former world-class skaters join the groups once they are done with their career as singles, pair or dances skaters. Also the best coreographers are joining in to create the programs for the best groups. I was totally amazed at some performances as the latest Ita nationals! Just look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_osbJmR8B4 (too bad the camera angle is awful and you can't see close-ups because their expression was just stunning!) Btw the euro champs for synchro and showgroups are taking place in Portugal just this weekend :)
  35. Sk8swan

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    Youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VEY-CzRUNo