TSL's Interview with Ashley Wagner

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. RD

    RD Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, kind of how I feel too...

    Skaters trying to pull something off that they can't do <<<

    Still, I'll reserve judgment until I actually see it. Prefer Wagner when she emphasizes speed and power though.
  2. Spun Silver

    Spun Silver Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.
  3. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Well-Known Member

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    :cheer:

    This was great. IMO there's something really likeable and genuine about her. Definitely rooting for her this year.
  4. Iceman

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    Ashley, the next time you feel inclined to use the word "pansy" you might hesitate and remember that many of your fans are gay.

    I think she is "miscast" as Juliet, but I hope she is able to pull it off. If she doesn't have a 3/3 by now, I doubt she is going to have one, at least a consistent one. The Olympic year doesn't seem to be the best time for getting a new jump. Uneasy feeling this is not going to be a good year for her, but hope I am wrong. Re Shirley Hughes, I think if Ashley had stayed with Hughes, she would be about where she is now and probably have a 3/3.
  5. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

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    :huh: :rolleyes:
  6. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    Is pansy a slur?
  7. Spun Silver

    Spun Silver Well-Known Member

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    Yes, a rather old one.
  8. Jammers

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    A pansy to me means a wimp so i don't see how it's a slur. People get so uptight over every little thing said nowadays.
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  9. kwanfan1818

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    "Pansy" is an older term for "fag" or "faggot" and in its time had the same force.
  10. toddlj

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    Jammers: while I agree with you in theory that folks should lighten up, Websters actually lists the secondary definition as:
    usually disparaging
    : a weak or effeminate man or boy; usually disparaging : a male homosexual
    I can understand why some might object, but Ashley probably has no idea of this secondary definition as it is somewhat antiquated.
  11. dawnie

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    IIRC and I could be wrong, but apparently she caught wind that Ashley was secretly shopping for a new coach and instead of waiting to be replaced she just ended it herself.
  12. gr8sk8101

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    That is semi-correct. Suffice it to say that working with another coach for a weekend is fine, as long as you let your primary coach know you are going to do it. Don't have that second coach call the first one for information on the "plan" when your are sneaking around. Truthfully, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. When Ashley mentioned in the TSL interview that her mother is a "Bear" that is really describing her mother in the nicest of possible terms.
  13. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    Can you remember offhand when in the interview she used it?
  14. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    It was when they were talking about her not doing the triple triple at worlds, which I think was near the beginning.
  15. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    Thank you! ETA: "I was going for [the triple-triple] and, then, I, um...was a pansy."

    I suspect you're right to suppose that she doesn't.
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    I've never heard of this being true.
  18. Sparks

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  19. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    I guess I would interpret being called a pansy as a "delicate little flower".
    (Certainly seems less offensive than her saying she 'didn't have the balls' to do the jump.. As that implies being girly is bad and manly is good; but flowers are delicate and have no gender)
  20. Loves_Shizuka

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    I took note of her saying it, simply because I never hear anyone our age using it :lol:

    i can't say it offended me.
  21. Jayar

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    No. It's not. It implies femininity within a masculine being.
  22. cbd1235

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    LIGHTEN UP. She called herself a pansy, which among my group of friends is commonly used when describing yourself when you "chickened out". WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW SHE USED IT. I call myself a pansy on the ice when I pop jumps.

    Man oh man, next thing you know you won't be able to say anything without someone twisting it as offensive. I mean she was even talking about herself, it's not like she went and said something like "so and so is a pansy"
  23. AndyWarhol

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    I can't believe people are getting worked up over pansy.
  24. jdonavan

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    tee hee...have you been here before? ;)
  25. michiruwater

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    I did know that 'pansy' was originally a gay slur, but it's a pretty weak term for people in my age group and I suspect that most people my age don't actually know that that's where it originated. I avoid slurs and I'm pretty sure I've called myself and others pansies before without even considering the original connotation.
  26. OliviaPug

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    Personally, I prefer to call myself a "wuss," but I have no problem with Ashley calling herself a pansy.

    O-
  27. Loves_Shizuka

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    You can't?!
  28. antmanb

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    I guess it depends on your point of reference, I am also gay and when I heard her use it annoyed me, much like when i hear primary school age kids calling things "gay" when they just mean bad. Just like with the primary school age kids (or any kids) that use "gay" to mean bad, I think it's done unthinkingly, but then I make a point to highlight it otherwise they many never think about what they say.
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  29. museksk8r

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    What you reference about young people calling things or people "gay" when they mean bad or stupid irritates me to no end, but Ashley didn't call things or anyone else a pansy; she directed "pansy" at herself, which to me clearly means she was implying that she wimps out or has too much fear going into her triple+triple jump pass. Many words in the English language have double meanings or multiple contexts. It's not like she called a fellow competitor a "pansy." I don't understand how anyone can be bent out of shape over her use of that word in the context that she used it. *shrug*
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  30. Iceman

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    I'm not bent out of shape about her use of the word, but suggests she might use a different word as some are offended by it, and with the Gay rights issue in Russia causing some to call for a boycott of the Sochi Olympics I just didn't think it was a wise choice of word coming from a possible Olympian. Let her use the word while in Sochi, and see what happens.


    Many words do have more than one meaning, but might still sting when used.

    Senator Flake used the word similarly to Ashley and got in trouble for it.
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  31. Skittl1321

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    I don't know the etymology of the word pansy, but the history of the word wuss is pretty offensive to me. Then again so is "sucks" and that has entered the general vocabulary as a pretty clean word.
  32. antmanb

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    I'm not getting bent out of shape about it - i merely noted it as soon as she said it. I loved the interview and I love how she came across, this was a minor blip in what was otherwise a good interview. I don't thing it makes a blind bit of difference that she used it referring to herself, I've heard kids being asked how the they did on a test and reply "gay" meaning bad, I've equally heard it response to how they played in a sporting event. Does it excuse the use because it's about themselves? For me it doesn't, but for me pansy only has two meanings - the flower and as a slur for gay people, so I think educating people about such things is important.
  33. PeterG

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    Thank you to everyone who has decided for me, as a gay man, what I should and should not take as offensive.

    Dictionary.com:


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  34. OliviaPug

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    Um. I was kidding. Trying to lighten the mood, but I guess everyone is in a very serious mood here at FSU in this off-season ... :shuffle:

    It's amazing how there are so many things to discuss about Ashley, like her new coaching and choreographer situation, and her plans to add a 3/3, but this is what we focus on.

    O-
  35. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Oh there's a whole other thread in GSD for that! ;) Wagner picks Arutunian to join coaching team
  36. DannyCurry

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    While I enjoyed the interview, I think Ashley's sassiness is more controlled than genuine. Does that make sense? :slinkaway
    But good for her to admit she is not naturally graceful, when some viewers would always deny it.
  37. personwhoishere

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    Who? I'm a fan, but graceful is definitely not the first word I would use to describe her. Not saying she's completely lacking in grace, because that isn't the case either, but powerful, dramatic, passionate, certainly describe her skating more accurately.
  38. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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  39. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    i would not say she is graceful but what i really need to know is, do you do a shot every time you type port de bras? it's your favorite thing
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  40. IceAlisa

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    It is! It is! :D Carry your arms well or go home. :mitchell:
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