Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jul 24, 2013.
Part 1 is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D39dmCQ2ciY
Can't wait to watch it!
Part one is up.
It's a great interview. She loves being in front of the camera and comes off as smart, funny, spontaneous, and self-aware. Also very aware of what others say about her. I had not realized that she intended to quit skating if she hadn't won Nats in 2012. I always love female athletes who say they want to win and second place is not good enough. I wish we could see this Ashley on the ice but these days she is so packaged it's almost boring. But I like her better after seeing this.
I guess they will get to the tough questions in Part 2, like why she broke up with Philip Mills and how she assesses her Olympic chances. Oh yes, and what it is like to skate with Yu Na.
ETA: She has a wicked phrase for skating board posters: cat ladies who sit back in ther armchairs and post that her legs look big today. Ding! (Although I don't think I have commented on her anatomy.)
Entertaining interview for sure. Can't wait for part 2 which I hope will come out sooner rather than later.
Anyone knows when part 2 will be uploaded? By the way, thanks for the interview! I enjoyed it!
Actually it's CRAZY cat lady. And my mind immediately went to the crazy lady who threw cats at people on the Simpsons.
I'm sure most (if not all) skaters at that level are aware of what others say about them...regardless of whether they WANT to be aware or not.
But few (if any) choose to address them directly...
Part 2 is up:
i really enjoyed how open she was about her highs and lows. i dont think TSL really pushes people but she was very open. i was never really a fan of her skating but i like her if that makes sense. i cant believe people tweeted her to tell her how bad they thought she was at nats last yr.
I have a feeling she is purposely more open than she is comfortable with just to show Dave and Jenny. I had expected her to say she was upset with what Philip Mills said but not that she was disappointed and felt that he was unprofessional. She is probably right and is entitled to feel that way of course, I just didn't expect her to say this out loud.
Actually I am most bummed that she seems to be committed to keeping the 2axel3toe instead of taking Dave's suggestion of repeating the 3flip3toe in both programs. As Jenny would say, her 2axel is scary.
If Wagner was being politically correct with her remarks toward Mills, she did not sound scripted or robotic. In Part 1, she enthusiastically gives him full credit where it is due for her "Black Swan" program, and even in Part 2 when she discussed the split, she goes out of her way to give him credit for training her, even saying that Nicks gets some of the publicity and credit that was due Mills. She has a sophisticated and mature point of view, looking at Nicks' and Mills' decisions from their point of view, even when they affected her deeply.
I just wonder if Nicks had made his decision about not traveling any longer before she decided to work with other choreographers whether she would have chosen to stay with Mills as both half-coach and choreographer, to maintain some stability. As it turned out, it sounds like Arutunian is a great half-coach for her, and if they do move rinks to where she has more direct competition, as she said herself, it might be a good incentive for her.
I think Raphael is much more than a half-coach. She certainly spends more time with him than Nicks.
I love Ashley's honest and unfiltered personality. I also like that she embraces her inner goofball and adorkable awkwardness. That quality makes a person more charming I believe. She's a beautiful young woman and I wish her well in this Olympic season. Her LP sounds like it could be intriguing; I can't wait to see it!
Love the interviews! Thanks!
Hubby went by the computer, looked at the screen and said: "Is that Ashley's mother?"
I enjoyed Ashley, but I really hate Jenny's habit of asking her main question and five follow-up questions all in one shot. Fortunately, I can mute her entirely because Ashley's replies are smart, articulate, and good-humored.
I have new-found love for Ashley!
I had no idea she was so funny and lively. Her responses were flat-out hilarious at times but even during serious moments you knew she was keeping things real. I look forward to her programs this season and hope she gets that triple-triple squared away. She is going to have a great season. I know it.
Ashley is so real and so fun! And so realistic too. Best of luck and may your Olympic dream come true!
Wait, did Gracie Gold really want to name the tano lutz a Gold lutz???
That was a fun interview. I didn't know about Ashley snubbing Caroline on the podium at junior worlds. Why bring it up though but not even ask her to comment on it? Regardless, I really enjoyed this interview. Great job everyone.
So I've been thinking that the Prokofiev R&J is a great choice for Ashley. The Montagues and Capulets theme has such dark undertones--which would suit Ashley and I am guessing what she meant by "the bedroom Juliet."
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LSxpxjMQ9c
Incidentally, it's the one Prokofiev piece I love and am really looking forward to the program. As to her SP--definitely thinking outside the warhorse box here, for the Oly year, no less. When is the season going to start already????!!!
She comes off as pretty dismissive/disrespectful towards Shirley Hughes. I didn't like that.
She does, and she doesn't: at one point she credits both Hughes and Hill for bringing her skating to the next level.
I think they were trying to get her to explain it but they brought up both the 2009 Jr Worlds ceremony incident and the 2010 Nationals K&C incident in the same question and of course she jumped to explain the latter right away and forgot to address the former (even though she jokingly said she loved them for bringing it up), which was a waste.
I do agree with her that sometimes there are simply explanations for things but people are always inclined to believe or are more interested in the juicier stories. Perhaps she already hugged her backstage and didn't want to engage in formalities? Perhaps she simply forgot?
I wish they would ask her whom she would pick as the most likely winner of the 3rd spot and whether she currently plans to skate beyond this coming season...
I loved it!
Did Shirley Hughes fire Ashley?
I think Ashley has made the perfect progression from Shirley Hughes to Priscilla Hill with Irina Romanova to Mr. Nicks with Philip Mills and now to Rafael Arutunian with Shae Lynne Bourne and David Wilson. Sometimes the first coach one has had turns out, in the end, to be the best one one ever had, and sometimes the last coach is the best, and we will never know until Ashley's career is over if she has feelings one way or the other except that she has already mentioned good things about all. In fact so far, she has been nothing but gracious and ladylike in talking about all of the coaches and choreographers she has had. This whole interview was fabulous and representative of the fine sportsman Ashley is. I think her let me go get it and not bear a grudge attitude has helped her elevate her skating levels and grace. I wish her nothing but the best for the remainder of her career. Loved the piece here, which was actually just Ashley being Ashley.
There can be a best coach for a skater at each point in his or her development.
OK - 2 questions:
Rafael is leaving Lake Arrowhead and they will follow him to the Toyota Center where Evan trains (I assume this is FC's rink, then) ?
She mentions 'Kira'. Is that Kiira Korpi?
1. The only thing she knows for certain is that he'll be leaving Lake Arrowhead, but the rumor, told to David Lease by a skating mom, is that he'll move to Toyota, and she talked about what it might be like for her to train there with Lysacek and Nagasu.
I don't know anything about California driving patterns, except that they suck, and miles can be deceiving. Even in the Seattle area, Bellevue and Redmond (the East Side) are about 8-10 miles away from Seattle, but that could mean 1.5 hours of driving 3-8pm. Is the commute from Laguna Beach to Toyota Center feasible, or would she need to continue the two-apartment deal or move somewhere in between?
Loved the interview and her openness and honesty. Nothing she said sounded planned or packaged or scripted; all sounded very sincere. Made me more of a fan.
Loved the "cat lady" comment. It's interesting; most posters here don't have much cred with skaters, yet many of them do read the comments and seem to be at least somewhat impacted by what they read. I guess because we are the voices of the fan base.
R&J. One of the "overused music" choices I do like and I think it's a fit. However of all the versions of R&J, I do feel the most power in the "A Time for Us" sad theme. I never tire of it in skating. I hope she gets the 3/3 out there and has a kick butt season.
The best cut of any "Romeo and Juliet" that I've heard or seen was Kozuka's Rota R&J, where the "Time for Us" theme didn't show up until the very end. I'm very much looking forward to hearing David Wilson's cut. There's so much more to the Prokofiev than the crashing chords of the opening, the big love theme (Balcony Pas de Deux), and the March of the Capulets.
Did anyone else feel dubious when she talked about being the bedroom scene Juliet who is in love for the first time? That seems like a stretch for Ashley. I don't care for her histrionics on ice, but I would rather see her try Body Heat than R&J. Although I did think she described it well. Maybe she will surprise me.
Yes. Also liked many parts of G&G's LP in 1990. Too bad they never skated the program really well, but it was pretty decent at Euros.
Um. No. Ashley can do sexy very well.
Interesting. Please, do tell us more about the A.Wagner/S.Hughes split...
Sexy is Body Heat (look it up if you are too young to have seen it). Juliet is a lot more than sexy. Personally I don't see Ashley as either a natural Juliet or a great acting skater (unlike, say, Sasha in both regards). But YMMV.
I agree but so is the Black Swan (in a different way, of course), yet she did just fine. She was a terrific Black Swan, in a program that made her career, many would say. It seemed to me she meant passionate Juliet, not innocent starry-eyed Juliet. I think Ashley can do it.
The Black Swan was much, much more suited to her style than Juliet - IMO. But I hope you are right.
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