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  1. rfisher

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    The human was with the bomber. Bill chased him down. He bit him but didn't kill him to show mercy.

    Eric tricks Sookie into drinking his blood a couple more times. He's quite the trickster. And hot. :cool:
     
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    I think it was mentioned very briefly by Godric when Sookie tells Eric that she'll stay with Godric as long as it takes. Godric replied with something to the effect that "at my age it shouldn't take long". I guess that means the older the vamp, the quicker sunlight burns them? Maybe?

    I :D :wideeyes:and a big :swoon::swoon: Eric in the dream sequence. More Alexander with no clothes, please. :) I think Eric and Sookie are a beautiful couple on screen and they looked like they belonged together from the first moment the scene started. I'm wondering if this is what is the catalyst for what happens with Bill in the next season/book 3?

    Between that scene, the Sookie and Eric bullet scene, and the last 5 minutes (in which I was tearing up) this was the best episode yet.

    Long live Team Eric!!! :)

    I also hope that Lafayette will be given a bit more to do once this Maryann storyline wraps up and given some more chances to shine like we've seen him in the past.
     
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    Thanks. I kind of thought Bill said something about sending a message to the others in NOT killing him....but wasn't sure. Sort of like sending a message. But first when I saw it, I thought Bill had bitten Jason. :wideeyes:
     
  4. jen_faith

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    Watched last night's episode twice and enjoyed it both times. Almost shed a tear at the end, despite the need to suspend belief and cynicism, as Godric immolated himself in the dawn sun.

    Even though this series has plot holes you can drive tanks through and requires immense amounts of fanwankery to make it really work, the series is growing on me. It's campy and gothic and riddled with excessive sex; some of the actors sometimes strike flat notes (I'm looking at you Skarsgard, no matter how hot your 6'4" Swedish body is) but, I think underneath the superficial stuff there's a bigger theme running and I'm finally starting to clue into it (du-uh).

    I haven't quite managed to articulate it yet, but I kind of tweaked to it when Maryann said "The god that is coming demands his sacrifice. Where is Sam Merlotte?" and that was twinned/contrasted in the same episode with Godric's self-sacrifice, Sookie's promise of God's redemption, and the peaceful, almost angelic/Christ-like way Godric went up in flames Did you notice the flames on his back were almost like wings and his arms were outstretched like a crucifixion? Last season, Bill in the sun smoldered gruesomely but Godric evaporated in a sparkly flames 'o light. Which vampire is closer to God? Now is all this a ten ton anvil of symbolism or what???.

    So I'm left ruminating on the nature of sacrifice, the divine, redemption, and cosmic "bliss" (remember, Maryann talked about uniting with one's god and experiencing bliss). Agghh feels a bit like a sixties acid trip. Anyway, I don't think I'm going to get it (if there is any "it" to be gotten) until I've seen the whole season but I think there's something there.

    Ehh...maybe I'll just scrap the deep stuff and enjoy the camp.

    Liked:
    Hoyt standing up to his Momma
    Eric's evil grin of delight as Sookie sucks out his bullets
    Godric's joy and wonder at the end (well-played by the actor)

    Disliked:
    Not too much actually

    Still wondering:
    What happened to Barry the Bellboy?
     
  5. rfisher

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    Barry should show up again when they go to St. Louis (book 4 in book time). Who knows when that will be in TV time. MaryAnn's god is Dionysus. Maybe he'll show up with some wine or
    Bill and Eric will wreck havoc like they do in the book and she just goes away
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    I thought he had a tendency to be flat at times this season too. But I haven't read the books so was wondering if it was just the 'Eric' character tends to be a bit like that?

    I was a bit lukewarm towards him all season (except for his looks, of course) until the last couple of episodes (last night in particular) when he really won me over. :rollin:

    Skarsgard did a wonderful job last night when he was given a 'meatier' storyline so I am looking forward to seeing more. :watch:
     
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    Me too. :cool: In Book 4, he's running naked down the road. They can move that up to Book 3.
     
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    YUM!! :hat1:
     
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    No, Eric is never flat in the books. He's always at least plotting fifty things--getting Sookie into bed is usually within the top five. :p In the books, it's Eric that gets all the best lines, not Jason.

    More a teaser than a spoiler, but in the book, Eric gets all gussied up as a bisexual drag queen, before
    Sookie and Eric almost make out on a car.
    If there is an HBO god, WE WILL SEE THAT SCENE. I will be more than happy to sacrifice a few Bill/Sookie shippers to Maryanne to see that play out. :saint:
     
  10. rfisher

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    I was never a Bill/Sookie shipper in the books and Stephen Moyer has done nothing to change my mind. It's Eric all the way. CH writes the character with the most humor of all. She deliberately made Bill dull when she wanted to move beyond that story arc. She's managed to keep the Eric/Sookie relationship on that edge (of course she detoured with a few shape shifters and crap but hopefully she's back on track for the next book).
     
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    Wow, just finished watching. I was sobbing at the end lol. Very sad seeing Eric say goodbye, and it was sweet of Sookie to stay with him.

    Also, Eric/Sookie scene.. WOW!! More nekkid Eric please lol. I heart HBO.
     
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    I don't see how anyone can be a Bill/Sookie shipper based on the books. I think the show has made him seem more sympathetic, so I could understand viewers preferring Bill (though Stephen Moyer does absolutely nothing for me).

    And I like the shapeshifters.
    I do hope the show gets into the shapeshifter world in the future, though I didn't like that they introduced another true shapeshifter into the show, since I always liked that Sam is so unusual. I also think it will be odd to discover so many shifters around Bon Temps given that Sam in the show seems so unaware of the shifter universe.

    I've been thinking that one of the problems with the Maryanne storyline is not just that it seems to be overkill in terms of showing the orgies and excess, but it also has changed Bon Temps. Having half the town in jail and, now, having everyone chasing Sam crosses a line that I think the books have done very well to handle -- keeping most of the supernatural stuff separate from the ordinary town dealings, with only a little overlap. And how will they explain the entire town being destroyed? I recognize that people don't remember what they did while under Maryanne's spell, but that just seems to open the door to using the cosmic reboot button.
     
  13. Matryeshka

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    I think it's because they decided NOT to kill Lafayette, which left them languishing for a Louisiana plot, which they filled with Marryanne nonsense. I understand why they kept him; he makes great TV. And I understand that unlike the books, you can't just ignore characters for 350 pages as TV shows are not in the first person.

    The problem with True Blood is that they need to either get closer to the books for actual plots, or they need to deviate more and make the storylines TV friendly.
     
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    I agree with that. It's not just Lafayette. The TV show has made significant characters of Bon Temps characters like Sam and Tara, with strong supporting characters like Arlene, Terry, and the police. Only Sam really had any significant presence in the books, and he could easily disappear for 200 pages at a time.

    So I agree that it made sense to do something in Bon Temps. I just think that including everyone in the town in the supernatural aspect of the plot is problematic. It means that pretty much anything in Bon Temps has to do with Maryanne, which has made the town dealings pretty dull. That didn't have to be the case. The Maryanne plot could have lasted half the season, involving just Sam and Tara (and, to a limited extent, Lafayette), with other issues filling more of the season. Remember that we have the Lafayette V-selling plot also. That plot seems to have been left hanging, but could have been going on during this time as well. And they could have done some other things. For instance, consistent with my spoiler above
    they could have had Sam discover the Weres in Bon Temps, introducing them a bit earlier than in the books, but as long as Sookie didn't learn about them, the later plot would have been fine.
    And Tara's post-Maryanne plot could have had something to do with her trying to reconcile what she did while under Maryanne's spell. Maybe that would involve trying to figure out whether she should have a relationship with Eggs, or whether the relationship was caused by the spell.
     
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    Loved Eric last night with his mischievousness and the dream sequence. mmmm I could wake up to that (minus the taunting Lorena).

    Eric is sometimes played flat, but it's also kind of explained - he's 1000 years old and completely disinterested most of the time, so he doesn't really put too much thought or effort into anything. I think that AS does great in that respect, but his breaking down was heartbreaking last night and so extremely well done. And Sookie is getting to see the 'human' side of him now.

    The Jason and Sookie heart to heart was great. Nice to see these siblings who obviously care about each other finally admit it and discuss their problems. And loved hwo Sookie told him that he's NOT stupid, just too lazy to use his brain.

    Also loved the testy Newlins on the TV, especially Sarah's 'I hate your hair!'.

    And we lost 2 hunky guys - Luke and the more hunky (and fascinating) Godric. Wonder if TV land Eric will take Godric's message to heart...

    And poor Hoyt, Jessica AND Mrs. Hoyt. I felt for all of them. Hoyt having to defend everything he does to his mom. Jessica trying hard to be nice and having it shot in her face that she can't give Hoyt everything. And Maxine basically losing her son because of how she was brought up and her stubbornness.

    FINALLY Sam and Andy are going to team up. It's about time!

    And as for not escaping earlier, Sam did say before that he needs a visual on the animal. He probably hadn't really looked at a fly that closely before or didn't have everything overly fresh in his mind to change into a small enough animal before that moment. But the 'fly on the wall' was perfect.

    Loved Lafayette and Lettie Mae. It's nice to see Tara's family protecting her when her family has always been what's betrayed her and her 'new family' being what's effing her up.

    Just 3 episodes left...
     
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    last episode was utterly brilliant !
    Eric was . . . oh gosh I felt like a horny schoolgirl :D

    Don't understand all the adult women hunting down that Pattinson Edward dude. He is very pretty and cute, but Alexander is HOT !

    more naked Eric !
     
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    I understand TV Eric is supposed to be disaffected and bored with life after his 1000 years on earth sort of thing. What I meant with my "flat" comment is that Alexander Skarsgard's delivery is sometimes flat..or just a bit odd/off and to me it breaks the flow of the dialogue.

    That being said, I thought he did a pretty good job on the rooftop. I did like that when he broke down and started crying he did it realistically--high pitched, cracked voice and all. This is how people really cry when dealing with something traumatic. On TV, manly men types usually just shed a silent tear that slides manfully down their cheek as they manfully hold back the sobs etc etc. It's a TV trope that has always bugged me. So I give Skarsgard props for that scene.

    If this show does a cosmic reboot I shall throw something at my TV. I sincerely hope Alan Ball and his writers are more intelligent than that. Gah... Still, in the Buffyverse after every season's big bad destroyed the school/town/world, life still seemed to go on for the good townsfolk as usual. Nonetheless, this is another TV trope that really bugs me. Guess there's a lot of tropes that get my goat and that's why I don't watch TV too much...grumble grumble.. cranky old person...

    Only 3 episodes left and no new ones until next summer. How will I live without my TV vampire soap opera crack? :fragile:
     
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    One of the things I really like about the books is that in spite of Sookies mind reading and the fact vampires and other supes are strolling about, Bon Temp is your average Southern town. I think Ball miscalcuated with the MaryAnn story line but now they have to finish it out. If Season 3 follows Book 3, they'll have the same problems when the main plot action moves out of town again. Hopefully, they'll do better. I'd rather see more of Hoyt's mama than more flabby naked people. She's a wonderful actress. If we're going for the requisite HBO nude scenes, just have more Alexandar.

    I also don't like what they've done to Andy on the show. They could show his snotty sister and grandmother and explore how they suddenly have a benefactor.
     
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    Well obviously YOU are not as much of a geek as I am :p because in book 4
    Eric loses his memory and ends up at Sookie's house where all sorts of wet and wonderful activities happen. I think Barry doesn't come back as a character until book 7 when they're all off at the vampire summit/conference in Rhodes.
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    I am just wondering about the hanging plot line in the TV show. Bill rescues Barry and... then what?? Just like Eric/Pam forces Lafayette to start selling V again and....

    I did like, however, that Barry's blood tasted a bit odd to Lorena. I'm wondering if that is setting him up to have
    fairy blood like Sookie? This would mean that the telepathy is connected to the fairy blood in TV land whereas in the books, Sookie's telepathy is so far apparently not related to her fairy genetics. But I am maybe jumping to conclusions
     
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    :lol: I read the books out of sequence starting with the St. Louis book and I forget which was which. I bow to your geekiness and you are correct. B4 was the best.
     
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    Bow in awe indeed :lol:

    It's a sad commentary on my life (or probable lack thereof) and intellectual development that I know far too much about a frothy, light-weight, brain-candy mystery series. Mr. jen_faith is re-reading Paradise Lost with side dips into the history of Sumer, I am re-reading books about southern vampires. I wonder sometimes how we stayed married for so many years :slinkaway

    Facetiousness aside, I actually really like the Sookie Stackhouse series and the TV series is growing on me. There's nothing wrong with escapism once in a while.

    Back to the series: if Ball is introducing the Queen
    and Sookie's cousin Hadley
    this season, I am wondering if we are going to have a conflation of several books?
     
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    I personally don't like that Lorena noticed something different in Barry's blood, since Sookie's blood is different because of her ancestry. Unless they're going to go the whole 'not fully normal human' route, but in the books Sookie's was always related to her ancestry and as far as we know, she and Barry don't share that.
     
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    I don't think there was ever an explanation regarding Barry, however, book spoiler ahead
    Sookie's little cousin does share her ability and indicated a genetic connection.
    I think CH just sort of forgot Barry after she used him in the STL conflagration.
     
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    I concur with book 4 being the best (please let HBO keep it for a season 4!) Actually, I only really liked books 1-4 then 8&9... 5-7 didn't do as much for me.

    And a nice note - Sunday's episode was the highest ever for viewership that TB has received with 4.5 million viewers at the 9pm timeslot (beating last week's 4.4 previous best). With DVR, etc, it had almost 12 million viewers!
     
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    Oh, just re-watching the episode right now... LOVE when Sookie screams at Eric, calling him an a-hole and he goes 'you're right, I think I can tell her emotions!' He played so perfectly sarcastic.
     
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    I believe this book scene does not make it into the show. Either Ball or Skarsgard was asked about it and said so.

    It is a tragedy of epic proportions.

    Who or what do we have to sacrifice to the HBO gods to make it happen? That's what I want to know :lol:
     
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    I offer up Stephen Moyer. :saint:
     
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    :lol: Poor TVBill. He gets no love except from his ubers (and those numbers are dwindling). I think this is partially the fault of the TB writers. The way he is being written this season makes him come across as a complete drip. He spends most of his time either wallowing in existential angst or telling Eric that "SOOOKIE IS MIIINE!"

    I do think that the show is going to keep the book idea that
    Bill has a secret assignment from the Queen of LA, unknown to Eric. There have been hints of this such as the "Soooookie must be PROTECTED" statements by Bill and the upcoming introduction of the Queen in the series at an earlier point than the book.
     
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    In season 1 Bill also said to Eric about Sookie 'if anything happens to her you will be...' and Eric replies 'that sounds like an edict, but I would know about that...' which implies the books will be followed.

    In the books it's hard to be a Bill/Sookie shipper but in the show they make it seem more 'real' like the feelings are really truly there.

    Bill kind of implied Sookie's feelings for him aren't real too in this episode by stating that the exchange of blood can cause sexual attraction. Her sexual attraction for him really started after she had his blood the first time, didn't it? So he kind of did to her exactly what Eric did (though she did actually need his) but both men were saving her lives, but in different ways (Bill's blood from her beating, Eric shielding her so he took all the bodily damage).
     
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