Travel to Italy

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  1. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    In that case, don't miss the local eggplant dishes.
  2. Angelskates

    Angelskates Well-Known Member

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    Eggplant I love :swoon:
  3. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Try eggplant caponata in the South--one of the highlights for me. And don't forget gelati and canoli. :)
  4. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    Great! No Sicilia on this journey (but do plan for next time at least 4-5 full days on the island, and it would be good to bring a friend who drives).

    So I supposed the rest of the schedule and allocation of days by areas are acceptable? Next time you want your life to be any more exciting, try to plan a trip to 20 cities in 2 weeks, and start planning 10 days in advance… :D.
    Ok….. Revenons a nos moutons
    Your next three priorities are:
    - finalize the dates for each location (use my schedule if it suits you, or do your own).
    - Reserve hotels (I will give you few suggestions). Once hotels reserved (hopefully on line immediately)…
    - Reserve ALL your train tickets between major cities, or buy a Eurail pass.

    Next: once you have hotels and tickets:
    - plan artineraries in each city, reserve tours, buy tickets to museums on line, etc.
    - Research local transportation, to and from the local attractions. The local transportation will NOT run away…

    Below you will find:
    - Suggested schedule (please feel free to ask questions, argue, change, complain, yell at me for missing something, etc..).
    - Few hotel suggestions, for each location (within stated budget range).
    - Information and websites for mandatory train and boat information.

    Schedule
    June 20th – arrive Rome (Leonardo Express to Termini, Taxi to hotel).
    June 21, 22, 23, 24 – in Rome
    - 3 days local sites (you have the websites for various tickets already).
    - 1 day trip to Tivoli/Haidrian/Villa De Este (if you are going to Pompeii, no need to see ruins of Ostia Antica)

    June 25 – train to Naples (on to Sorrento or Capri/TBD the sequence).
    June 26, 27, 28, 29 – Sorrento/Pompeii/Amalfi/Capri
    June 30 – back to Naples, ex Naples train to Florence (will take most of the day).

    July 1,2,3,4 – 2 full days Florence, 1 day – Siena, 1 day – St. Gimignano and/or Volterra, or visit to winery, or other…

    July 5 – ex Florence morning train to Venice, ½ day in Venice
    July 6, 7 – Venice/Murano/Burano/Lido….(???)

    July 8 – morning train to Milan, ½ day in Milan, see Duomo/Galleria/p-za LaScala, centro… (1/2 day is enough to see the best of Milan “a la tourist” if you can’t get into Last Supper).

    July 9, 10 – trip to Lake Como, leave early in the morning, train to Town Como, boat to Bellagio, or Varenna. Overnight in Bellagio or Varenna (the second one is less expensives). The boats run between two towns every 30 minutes, takes 15 minutes in between. Night of the 10th return to Milan (hotel near Centrale Train Station). Or to hotel near Malpensa Airport. Or if you departure flight ex Milan is late at night – then return to Milan or Malpensa morning of the July 11th.

    July 11th – flight to PEK

    If this schedule will work for you, I will proceed checking hotels BY DATES, because a lot of hotels (better ones, location and price wise) are full, given it’s height of tourist season.

    NEXT PROJECT: Trains for Major connections.
    - go to the Trenitalia website (has English) - http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ad1ce14114bc9110VgnVCM10000080a3e90aRCRD

    - Book on line AND buy both a ticket, and a seat reservation (not just “ticket to ride”).
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    - If for some reason the site does not work from your area (blocked or something), you can reserve tickets from RailEurope (overprices IMHO). This company are brokers and do mark up tickets 20-25% at least.
    - http://www.raileurope.com/index.html
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    - Do look into Eurailpass, but it does not guarantee you a seat on a desired train/date/time – only a “right to ride on this segment/route if space available”. Passes are sold on line, or through RailEurope (see previous ref).
    http://www.eurail.com/eurail-passes?gclid=CPW2zvuRq7ACFY4FRQodK09GUg

    If you can, get tix direct from Trenitalia. However, the website has “problems”, it is not 100% user friendly. You will have to “register as client”, may have to try several credit cards before the site accepts the one that “their bank accepts”, etc.

    You have an option of buying ALL tickets once you’re in Italy, upon arrival to Termini, or while in Rome. Just go to Ticket Office at Termini and buy all your tickets. Small risk, yes, that you will not get “the best morning” or “best evening” departures and rides. But you will get tickets…


    Next priority Hotels.

    PLEASE NOTE: Some Hotel websites will give you TOTAL FOR ALL NIGHTS, not rate per day, so when you see “cost @ 450 Euros” it is not “per room” but “for total 3 or 4 nights stay”.

    Suggested hotels in Rome (these hotels do have rooms now fr June 20th to June 25th).

    You will get discount if you pre-pay on line. Rooms are going quickly. There is not guarantee they will be there in 5 minutes. It’s June…
    HOTEL SAN CARLO/SPANISH STEPS – 3*** hotel in a 5+***** location, 2 blocs from Spanish Steps, the safest, full-of-people area. Number 1 choice for many.
    http://www.hotelsancarloroma.com/

    HOTEL KING ROMA, via Sistina, 2 blocks above Spanish Steps, 3 blocks from Trevi Fountain. Choice 2 after San Carlo. Slightly cheaper too.
    http://www.hotelkingroma.com/

    The Spanish Steps area hotels, for under 200 Euro, is IDEAL for a single traveler on a budget. If you can’t reserve, or don’t like any of these, your next best bet is P-za Navona/Pantheon area. The hotels listed on this site may suite your requirements.
    http://www.eurocheapo.com/rome/hoods/piazza-navona.html


    If none of this works – there is plan B (info later if required). Or you can check hotel booking sites at your convenience - but remember – No hotels near Termini).


    So…. Do the trains and Rome Hotels, and I’ll put together a list of hotels for the next locations, boats and local trains info.

    Please comment, so that I can check hotel dates:

    - Do you like the Schedule? If not – what do you want to change?
    - Do you want to stay 1 or 2 nights in Capri?? (i recommend "yes", at least 1 night). Capri is WORTH AT LEAST A FULL 2 DAYS visit (info later), but you can see “the best” in one and half day.

    Cheers!
  5. Angelskates

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    Tinami Amori thank so much for all of your work!

    I found out last night that my mum's guide dog is being euthanised today so I am not in the best frame of mind and only intend to book the Rome hotel and then do my work and not much else for the rest of the day :(

    I like the look and price of the first hotel in Rome, free wifi too, and breakfast included! 110 Euro seems like a good price! It's 5 nights, right? 20, 21, 22, 23, 24?

    I think the itinerary is GREAT! I want to speak to my friend in Milan before only spending 1.5 days there though, but she has mentioned Como and Maggiore.

    Yes, I'd like to go to Capri. What about Tuscany? Can I fit that in?

    My flight leaves Milan at 11:20 a.m. on July 11th.

    ETA: I checked the train site, and there are lots of options for each place, so I am not sure what to pick! For example, Roma has Tutti Le Stazioni, Termini, Aurelia, Tiburtina, Naples also has Tutti le Stazioni, Cantrale, Campo Flegrei, Granturo....I just select "all the stations/tutti le stazioni" and it gave me options (Roma Termini to Napoli Centrale is 19 Euro, leaving Roma at 1:45 p.m. (this also takes the longest, but there doesn't seem to be any morning ones!)

    ETA: I can't get the Roma Card/other card site to work past the intro page! :mad: As soon as I click "BUY" it goes to a new page and says "not active". :mad:
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  6. Tinami Amori

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    You are very welcome! It is not that difficult for me, all the info is at my fingertips, since Italy is “my love” and I send myself and my friends and their friends there all the time.

    May the doggy rest in peace and my condolences to your mother and you. I know “that pain” of loosing an animal, and it is hard to function normally.

    Glad you liked Hotel San Carlo! Yes, you’ll be leaving on the 25th, so it is 5 nights. I recommend you sending them (to the reservations/reception) an email, and ask them to give you room 20, on the first level, or “as large as possible”.

    I’ve allocated 2-1/2 days to Milan. You will take morning train ex Venice to Milan, and will have 2nd part of the day to see Milan. Next two days, sounds like you and your friend will go to Lake Como and Lake Maggiore. So you will spend 2-1/2 days together. If that works, then great! If not, pls let me know what other locations you want to “cut” for extra day in Milan/Lake Region.

    Where is your friend (who is on this board)? Let’s have her/him participate…. :D. Hallo Friend! Please appear! I need you to check the Italian websites for the boats ex Naples, and see if you have any “connections” in Milan to get Angel in to see Last Supper on a short notice… and check if there are any good performances at LaScala, and please check on visitors’ hours at Duomo, when the roof-top walk is open, and when the organ music is on. Thank you!

    Ok, how would you like to go to Capri?

    You can stay in Sorrento, take ferry to Capri, spend a full day there, and return with the last boat to Sorrento in the evening. In one day, given there is travel time you will be able to visit about 50-60% of “must see places”.

    Or, you can go to Capri directly from Naples, before Sorrento, spend 2 nights and 1 full day, take boat to Sorrento, and spend next 2 full days in Sorrento, 1 day to go to Pompeii, and 1 day down the Amalfi coast on a bus. Sorrento itself, the few nice blocks of tourist area, can easily be seen in 1 afternoon, and in the evenings after the day trips.

    Which do you prefer, going to Capri for 1 day out and back to Sorrento. Or staying overnight and then arrive to Sorrento?

    If you need more info on the two options, please let me know.


    The proposed schedule for “Florence” already includes “Tuscany”. Florence is in Tuscany. The below was just a recommendation.
    July 1,2,3,4 – 2 full days Florence, 1 day – Siena, 1 day – St. Gimignano and/or Volterra, or visit to winery, or other…

    The recommendation is that you “plant” yourself in Florence, spend (in any order) 2 days in Florence sightseeing, and the other 2 days going on day-trips to famous Tuscany Towns. The ones suggested (within 1 to 1.5 hrs train/bus ride) from Florence are: Siena, St. Gimignano, and/or trip to winery but you don’t drink, so no winery. Perhaps another hill-top town, like Volterra, but that is much further away from Florence.

    In other words – while you’ll be staying in hotel in Florence for 4 days and 5 nights, you will decide how many days you want to stay in the City, and how many days to go into Tuscany country side, in any order, depending on how you arrange the tickets to museums, and day-trips.

    Which means you’ll have to be at the airport by 9:00 or 9:20 o’clock at the latest. Which means (if your friend has a car) you can leave Lake Region (Como or Maggiore) between 6 or 7 o’clock in the morning and get to Malpensa on time EVEN if there is traffic.

    There is also daily airporter bus service direct between Lake Maggiore Town of Stresa in 50 minutes from Malpensa Airport from mid-April through early October. Fare is Euro ~8 or 9 one way. Schedules at www.vcoinbus.it or on this http://www.safduemila.com/alibus-2012.html.

    Stresa is THE town to see on Lake Maggiore anyway, if you have only 1 day. You can walk around town, and go to Isolla Bella a beautiful Island with beautiful gardens and palace in the middle of the lake.

    So it is possible (if there is an early bus) to spend night in Stresa/Lake Maggiore, and make it to the airport by 9 or 9:30 in the morning.

    If that arrangement works, it makes no sense to come back from the lakes back to Milan. From Milan to the Malpensa airport takes 1.2 hrs on a bus anyway.

    Here is a map showing proximity of Milan (Malpensa airport is not on this map but it is slightly North-West, 1 hour from Milan, but closer to the lakes).
    http://0.tqn.com/d/goitaly/1/0/e/5/-/-/lombardy-map-lombardia.png


    Here are the “main stations” in major cities, on major national routes. You probably know or figured out that Tutti le Stazioni as a search options means “any/all stations in this city”.

    Roma – Stazioni Termini (central and most convenient, you’ll never be wrong selecting it). Tiburtina, Aurelia, Pyramida, are local/regional train stations, and yes, sometimes trans-national trains come to these stations on some routes.

    Naples - Napoli Centrale - Piazza Garibaldi Station.
    The other two stations are Mergellina and Campi Flegrei, they are usually used for local/regional trains, I don’t expect you needing them on this journey.

    Circumvesuviana local train which runs to/from Sorrento past Pompeii – leaves from Napoli Centrale (separate tracks/section of station), and services this geographic region.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circumvesuviana.svg

    Florence – Stazioni Centrale called Firenze Santa Maria Novella.
    Regional/local trains come to the following two stations, also in central Florence: Stazioni Rifredi and Stazioni Campo di Marte.

    Train from Florence to Siena (for day-trip) take longer than a local bus, it leaves from S-ta Maria Novella and 1 transfer in Employ Town. Local bus is better but we can get to this later.
    We can check schedules on busitali: http://www.fsbusitalia.it/

    Same situation with travel ex Florence to St. Gimignano, train is longer with 1 transfer, bus is direct and faster.

    The only staion you need to remember in Florence is Maria Novella.

    Venice – only has 1 station Stazione di Venezia Santa Lucia, like the song… :D.

    Milan has 7 major train stations, the main one and the one you’ll need is – Stazione di Milano Centrale.
    The other ones (in case a search refers to any of them) are:
    Cadorna, Garibaldi, Porta Genova – are closer to central Milan than Milano Centrale, so if by strange event, you are offered any of these 3 – take them.
    Lambrate , Porta Vittoria, Rogoredo – not that conveniently located in relationship to central Milan.

    (I’ll list more train info below the last answer to your questions).

    Roma Pass works, passes are on sale.
    Roma Super Pass (or called Roma & Piu Pass) are not on sale (for some odd reason).

    Go this page.
    http://www.romapass.it/acquista.aspx?t=acquisto

    On the left hand side you will see Option: Quantity (max 4) – Put “1” in the quantity window. Press continue on the bottom of the page.

    This is next page. Press continue.
    http://www.romapass.it/acquista.aspx?l=en&t=acquisto

    Now you’re on this page.
    http://www.romapass.it/acquista.aspx?l=en&t=acquisto
    You will need to input date of pick up 21/06/2012.
    And location of pick up: 3 blocks from your hotel (San Carlo).
    Check address: PIT Minghetti, Via Marco Minghetti (angolo Via del Corso). 9.30 - 19.00.

    You will not be able to pick up the pass at the airport or at Termini on the day of arrival, since they close at 7:30 PM, and you’re arriving much later. So, just pick them up few blocks from your hotel at the stated address.

    Press “continue”.

    And then you will be in this page: that’s were you need to put in your personal data, which must match your identification info when you pick up the pass. I cant go further than that.. the rest should work.

    Let me know if it does not – we’ll search other ticket options.


    Now about trains on TrenItalia, dates, time connections (not RailEurope).
    Train Rome – Napoli.
    I am putting in “departure time” in the search criteria starting 7:00 am.
    The Trenitalia site gives me a number of voyages, at least 12, departing from 7:39 am until 12:30 pm.

    For example, I randomly trying to buy this one and it works.
    EUROSTAR EI 9373 10:45
    Roma Termini 12:30
    Napoli Centrale Monday
    25/06/2012 Service : 2° Classe Coach : 8 Seats : 10A 36.00 € Delete

    Add Return

    Did you put in “early departure time” option? Is it possible you left that section blank, and it defaulted to 12 PM departure time, and the next available ticket was at 1:45 pm?

    Make sure you check ALL sections which ask for information, dates, time, number of passengers, etc.

    If you still have a problem, we can work it out by other means.

    My next message will be about Naples/Amalfi area.

    But, first can you clarify my question about time/nights spent in Capri vs. Sorrento, and if you want to cut any days to spend more time in Milan?

    (May the earth be soft for your mother’s doggy).
  7. asdf334

    asdf334 New Member

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    If you can't get the website to work, you can always just buy one in Rome. There's a tourist information center at Termini station that sells them- not sure where else in the city they are available though.
  8. alhrayth

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    wow. what can I say, I'm totally impressed... Tinami's unbeatable when it comes to planning a trip! :)

    I'll come into play at the very end of the trip: Angelskates will finally arrive at my place and we'll play tourists together! (plus I'll introduce her to my cats for a bit of pet therapy after being away from hers for a while!) I'm already thinking of something yummy to cook ;)

    One thing I though of just now: did you make plans for a phone or internet connection? Availability of free wi-fi is still scarce, so I was thinking about how we could keep in touch once you're here!!
  9. Angelskates

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    The hotel I just booked in Rome has free wifi :cheer2:

    Now I have booked my hotel and bought a Roma Pass :cheer2:

    alhrayth - I have an iPad and an iPhone - what can I do to get connected??

    What's your advice on Capri?

    Okay, now that I have Roma booked (well, hotel and Roma pass!) What's next? I want to get the other card, but the site still won't work!!

    And the trains, should I book them now? Which ones?
  10. alhrayth

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    uhm I was looking through some site to see how the situation is with the wi-fi and it seems to have improved. You'd be visiting mainly touristic locations so you should be able to find some hotspots here and there. I wouldn't bother with grtting an internet connection, then -you can cound on the random free ones, and possibly some of our hotels will have it too.
    I don't know if you'd really need a phone then - but if you want to, getting a new sim card with a re-chargeable plan (no contract) should be pretty quick - and not really expensive. I could give you info on the companies, if you wish.

    trains: the sooner the better - and check that you'r booking the seat as well! (well, for some it's compulsory - e.g. intercity, freccia rossa - so you can't miss it!!).

    ;) Tinami I'll check the details about Milan, (we're not lucky with the Cenacolo: there were places to be found before she arrives, and after she departs... but not in those exact days!), but you were wondering about some sites for Naples? Just tell me which ones (I already said you're waaayy better than me in this trip-planning!) and I'll go check!
  11. Angelskates

    Angelskates Well-Known Member

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    Okay, so what trains?

    alhrayth - I definitely need a phone! And an internet connection (my iPad and my iPhone are both 3G)!
  12. allezfred

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    I need to get Tinami to plan my holidays! :lol:

    Have fun Angelskates! :)
  13. mila19

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    Even reading the tips it's a trip on its own :D
    Have fun Angelskates
  14. Lanie

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    Have lots of fun! I am so jealous.

    Tinami should be a travel agent! :rofl:
  15. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    a) Are you still having problems buying tickets on trains?
    I wrote a note at the bottom of my last post about trains between Rome and Naples.

    As far as buying train tickets for the rest of the journey - you need to look at your schedule (since you agreed to the dates for each location) and on Trenitalia site buy tickets for each segment, keeping in mind departure and arrival times.

    - Rome to Naples: June 25th, as early as possible (after 8 or 9 in the morning).

    - Naples to Florence: June 30th, after 12 noon (so that you have time in AM to get from Sorrento to train station).

    - Florence to Venice (if no changes to number of days in Florence) - July 5th (early)
    - Venice to Milan (if no changes to number of days in Venice - July 8th (early)

    If you like, I'll look at schedules this afternoon and give you exact train/time/journey number.

    b) In order for me to give you next set of info for Amalfi Coast/Sorrento/Capri Area, I would like you to answer the question (pls read last post) how many nights you want to stay in Sorrento and on Capri and IF you want to spend nights on Capri, or just take a boat for a 1 day trip.

    Once you finalize your choices of dates/days in each location for Amalphi area, I;ll give you hotels in Sorrento and Capri to reserve, and local tour operators, and local transportation.

    And, then I would be able to give you next set for Florence/Tuscany area... Because if you change something in the Amalphi area dates (add or subtract a day), it may affect Florence/Tuscany area dates...

    So please read my question in the previous post on Amalphi/Sorrento and Capri.

    ====

    Hallo Italian Friend "A".....:summer:

    About websites for boats. I meant "boats on the Lakes" (not "Bay of Naples") as in ex Como to Bellagio and Varenna and back", and boats to Isl. Bella/Maggiore".

    Also, can you pls tell me if I need to give Angel hotel list in Milan, Malpensa, Bellagio/Varenna? or will you be taking care of the arrangements on that segment of the journey?
    :rollin:
  16. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    NEXT SEGMENT - NAPLES/SORRENTO/CAPRI/AMALFI
    Angel
    Maybe I am confusing you with so much info. So let me break up some of it into other format.

    You have Hotel in Rome and RomePass, right? (we will worry about Vatican and other tours later, tomorrow, after hotels and trains reserved for the rest of the trip.

    a) You next step is to reserve train tickets between Rome and Naples for July 25th.
    Please let me know if you had any problems the 2nd time you’ve tried? Did you get any tickets BEFORE 1:45 PM departure option from last time? Let me know if you’re heaving problems with train tickets. We can “walk through” the reservation pages.

    If you’re working on the Rome-Naples train tickets, then you might as well reserve the rest of the train tickets, IF YOU AGREE WITH DEPARTURE DATES listed in the proposed schedule and do not plan to ADD or SUBTRACT days from any of the “segments/locations”.

    - Rome to Naples: June 25th, before 11 in the morning, or 12 noon.
    - Naples to Florence: June 30th, after 12 noon (need time to get to Naples).
    - Florence to Venice - July 5th (early)
    - Venice to Milan - July 8th (early)

    b) Next we need to finalize how many nights you want to stay in Sorrento and in Capri, between June 25th and June 30th.

    Perhaps when I am asking to allocate time in Sorrento/Amalfi/Capri area, I am visualizing the area, and you are not.

    So, here is the map of the Bay of Naples. Please see where Naples, Sorrento, and Island of Capri are located (and Town of Amalfi and Positano as well).
    http://www.emcongress.org/2007/images/map.jpg

    You see there are boats/hydrofoils/ferries run between Naples-Capri-Sorrento Triangle. There is “sea connection” between all the 3 places.

    And there is a train ex Naples, which runs from Naples to Sorrento, and from Sorrento there are bus routes to Amalfi Town and Positano Town (Amalfi Coast is a name for the “area” and “Amalfi” by itself is “town”.

    People “base” themselves in Sorrento to take 1-day trips to Pompeii, Amalfi coast trips, and other local attractions (like 1-day trip to Capri, or you can spend a night in Capri).

    When you arrive to Naples Train Station on June 25th, you have 2 options:
    - To go first by boat to Capri, spend 2 nights in Capri, then take boat to Sorrento, and spend 2 days and 2 nights in Sorrento. During these two days in Sorrento, you will: a) use 1 day to take a tour/train to Pompeii, b) use the 2nd day for a trip down Amalfi coast (to Amalfi and Positano).

    Or

    - From Naples, go directly to Sorrento, by sea or by train, “base” yourself in Sorrento. And the next few days do same a) Pompeii, b) Amalfi coast AND instead of sleeping in Capri, take a boat from the port of Sorrento to and from Capri, and return to Sorrento on the same day.

    I recommend spending 2 nights in Capri and then going to Sorrento. Sorrento itself (the best of it) can be seen in few hours and you will have plenty of time. Sorrento is good as a “base” for other day trips.

    But if you rather not move around with luggage 1 extra time, from Capri to Sorrento, then “plant” your-self in Sorrento, and visit Capri for 1 day and come back. You can still see few “best of Capri” locations and views in a 1-day trip.


    SO, NEXT, if you’re done with train tickets, MAKE A DECISION ON SORRENTO/CAPRI nights allocation, AND reserve the hotels (for the dates of your choice) in this area (Sorrento and Capri if you chose to).

    We will worry about local transportation and day-trips slightly later.

    HOTELS SORRENTO/AMALFI/CAPRI

    Today’s exchange rate (Dollar to Euro) is 1 euro = 0.80 dollar (approximately).
    So when you gave me your budget for hotel per night of 200 Euro, in USD it means you’re ok with hotel rooms costing up to $ 220-$ 230 USD. My server defaults me to travel websites in USD, because I am in the US now. So, I will list prices in USD.

    Here is a list of the hotels in Capri, with rooms available on any day between June 25th and June 30th (if you decide to spend 1 or 2 nights in Capri, instead of seeing Capri on a one-day trip from Sorrento).

    The hotels’ listings state “only 1 or 2 rooms left” on most of them. It’s good to decide quickly.

    The following 4 Hotels are best located for a short stay in Capri. They all run between $150 and $ 210 USD per night, not including tax. Any of them are good if they suite you. The single rooms facing “garden” or “mountain” will cost the least, the ones with “sea view” naturally will cost more.

    Hotel Regina Cristina
    http://www.hotelreginacristinacapri.com/hotel-location/

    Hotel La Floridiana
    http://www.lafloridiana-capri.com/

    Hotel ‘A Pazziella
    http://www.royalgroup.it/apazziella/

    Hotel Villa Sanfelice
    http://www.hotelsanfelice.com/

    If for some reason the 4 hotels listed above do not suite you, here are two more, but they are my 2nd choices, because of locations in respect to centre, transport and pathways to major attractions.
    Hotel della Piccola Marina.
    In a very good spot for Transport and Centre of Capri. But it is a little further to the side from the “centre of night-life” and pedestrian tourist area. Beautiful views. $185 to $230 USD per night depending on the day of the week and type of room. “Room with a View” will cost more.
    http://www.hoteldellapiccolamarina.it/

    La Reginella
    Further from Transport and Centre of Capri. Beautiful views. $ 125 USD per night for minimal single room. “Room with a View” is possible, at higher price.
    http://www.hotellareginella.com/location.htm


    HOTELS IN SORRENTO (hotels available for any of the dates between June 25th and 30th) $ 95 to $175 USD min single rooms. Rooms with View – higher for the stated “base rates”.

    There are only 3 hotels available in Sorrento under $220 USD, with in walking distance to city centre and transportation/Circumvisuviana train, for the specified time segment. (others are more expensive, or further up the hill). There are no hotels on the sea-cliffs overlooking bay of Naples for these dates and price range. It is a good idea to get a “room with a View”, because the whole point of staying in Sorrento (besides being a good base for local day trips) are the VIEWS OF BAY OF NAPLES AND MT. VESUVIUS.

    Most hotels provide shuttle, as they are up on the hill, and walking in the evening may not be your choice.

    Grand Hotel Vesuvio Sorrento – Fantastic views from many common areas, decks, verandas, restaurant.
    http://www.vesuviosorrento.com/en/

    Johanna Park Sorrento – 2X Fantastic views from many common areas, decks, verandas, restaurant.
    http://www.johannapark.it/

    Hilton Sorrento Palace (has everything – pool! Wi-fi, shuttles, night bar and club
    http://www.sorrentopalacehotel.com/?WT.srch=1

    Grand Hotel President Sorrento
    http://www.ghpresident.com/#//2

    Hotel Rivage Sorrento
    http://www.hotelrivage.com/


    Let me know how it is going. I am starting to work on hotels in Florence, then Venice, and “Friend A” needs to tell me if she’ll take care of accommodations in Milan/Lake Region, or should I list hotel near Duomo which is FANTASTIC AND INEXPENSIVE?
  17. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    NEXT SEGMENT - HOTELS IN FLORENCE

    There few good and well located hotels available in Florence for the dates of your stay (in June 30, out July 5th – 5 nights). You want hotels close to Arno River (with a “view”) and close to the centre on the river side where Uffizi, Duomo, etc are located.

    Don’t worry about proximity to train station. In either case, you will need to take taxi, unless you stay “across the street” from Train station, and I don’t recommend it.

    So here are my few choices of hotels close to centre and Arno River banks/Ponte Del Vecchio. People walk around that area for 24 hours, and you’ll be safe to walk around at any time.

    Along Arno River (with in 1 block from river banks and few blocks from Uffizi Gallery)

    Hotel Hermitage 3*** - $ 160 USD per night (right behind Uffizi Gallery)
    http://www.hermitagehotel.com/

    Hotel Bercheielli 4*** - $ 195 – 210 USD per night (nice hotel with good services)
    http://www.berchielli.it/

    Residenza Castelli 4**** - $ 170 to 200 USD per night (right next to Hermitage Hotel, but more luxury)
    http://www.residenzacastellifirenze.com/


    (last choice, if others don’t work for you).
    Hotel Alessandra - 2 blocks from Aron River/Ponte Del Vecchio – old city street - $ 160 to $ 190 per night.
    http://www.hotelalessandra.com/


    The above are my best recommendations (given what’s available/dates/budget). If none work –we’ll go to B-list.

    Once you chose hotel, we’ll start reserving Tickets/Tours while in Florence/Tuscany area.
  18. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    NEXT SEGMENT – HOTELS IN VENICE

    There are plenty good hotels available in Venice for the dates of your stay (in July 5th, out July 8th – 3 nights). 60% of hotel locations in Venice are good and convenient, it’s a matter of what you prefer, a view of Grand Canal, view of the Bay, view of Old Narrow Canal or Street.. There are at least 40 hotels which are decent and under $ 220 USD per night in good safe areas.

    The best locations, IMHO – either in Dorsoduro section, or any hotel with Canal or Bay view.

    So…. Let me give you the first 5 which I like and know.

    Choice 1 – Pensione Accademia Villa Maravege DORSODURO– 3***, rooms start @ $ 124 USD, some have balconies. Close the bridge to San Marco, Accademia Museum, and wonderful area for walking and eating out (with 2 veggie restaurants!!!). Charming courtyard, well decorated rooms, “home feel”.

    Do ask which rooms they have and check fotos – all rooms are different, it was a private house, and still feels like a “small palazzo”. You want a room with en-suit bathroom and balcony/patio.

    http://www.pensioneaccademia.it/
    fotos: http://www.pensioneaccademia.it/gallery.htm

    If you like this hotel, and can get what you require – TAKE IT AND LOOK NO FURTHER. YOU WILL NOT BE SORRY.

    ON THE CANAL
    Choice 2 – Hotel Antico Fiore (on a corner of Grand Canal and a small side canal, old world decore) - $ 145 - $ 220 USD/per room. Do splurge on a Room with Canal View and watch gondolas go buy.
    http://www.anticofiore.com/
    fotos: http://www.anticofiore.com/en/photogallery.html


    BACK TO DORSODURO
    Choise 3 – Ca’ (Casa) Centopietre - 2** - $ 140 USD to $ 210 USD – another private Venetian villa/house turned into bed and breakfast – same area as “Accademia” in Dorsoduro.

    Do ask which rooms they have and check fotos – all rooms are different, it was a private house, and still feels like a “small palazzo”.
    http://www.centopietre.net/

    Choice 4 – Ca’ (Casa) Di Sara – 2** - $ 115 USD to $ 180 USD – another private Venetian villa/house turned into bed and breakfast – same area as “Accademia” in Dorsoduro.

    Do ask which rooms they have and check fotos – all rooms are different, it was a private house, and still feels like a “small palazzo”. You want a room with en-suit bathroom and balcony/patio.
    http://www.casadisara.com/index gb.html

    Choice 5 – Hotel Marconi – right on Grand Canal, next to Rialto Bridge, center of Venice. Rooms start @ $ 140 USD TO $ 240. Canal View room is a “must” even if it costs more. Check foto and prices for “canal side room”.
    http://www.hotelmarconi.it/photo_gallery-en.htm
    YOU CAN’T GET ANY MORE “POSTCARD-VENICE” than this location
    http://www.hotelmarconi.it/hotel_marconi_in_venice-en.htm



    The above are my best recommendations (given what’s available/dates/budget). If none work –we’ll go to B-list.

    Once you chose hotel, we’ll start reserving Tickets/Tours for Venice area.
  19. Angelskates

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    :lol: Take a breath Tinami, because I have to!! :lol:

    I already have a message from my bank saying I spent too much (or more than usual) money yesterday!!

    I have no idea about Capri, I mean I really don't! What do people suggest? I would rather not lug my luggage around too much...

    TA - is it possible to book all the trains at once, or do I have to book one by one? Every time I make a transaction on my credit card that is not in Australian dollars, I get charged extra, but I can't find a "multiple book" thing on the site.

    I think I have worked out the train site - I was trying to go from the main page. I am assuming now that when I put in "6" it means 6 a.m. I'm not sure where you saw "EuroStar" though Tinami - I can't see what anyway.

    For the train to Naples, I found:

    Roma Termini 09:00 Napoli Centrale 10:10 Duration 01:10 FRECCIAROSSA 9501 Details 2ª CLASSE MINI 39.00 € BASE45.00 €

    What do Mini and Base mean?

    When I go to register as a customer, it asks for user ID - do I leave it blank or put in something like my passport number? (I don't want to click enter and see, in case it accepts and then is wrong!)

    ETAA: I tried and it said, "User-id should consist of 6 or more digits (characters allowed: A-Z a-z 0-9 _ -)." :huh:
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  20. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    I don't see why you have to spend more than a day trip on Capri and stay at your base the whole time. You will be moving around a lot so I'd minimize that as much as possible. It can be exhausting.
  21. Tinami Amori

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    Planning a trip in Italy for me is “taking a breath” from my regular work pace :lol:

    Sure, you can take a breath too as long as you will not need a respirator when landing in hot and crowded Italy in 18 days without all final arrengments. :D

    Would you like me to call you bank and politely inform them that “this is just a beginning”? :D. By the end of your trip, you’ll spend close to $ 7,000 (min $ 5,000) usd, not counting the airline tickets.

    20 nights @ hotels @ $ 150 - $ 200 USD (+ local taxes).. ~ $ 4,000.00
    5 segments on trains/boats @ $ 100 per segment …………..~ $ 500.00
    5 organized group tours/day trips/Vatican ( $45 to $ 150) ~ $ 500.00
    Tickets to museums, local transport, miscl ………………..….. ~ $ 500.00
    20 days meals/water/juice @ min $ 50 USD/day…………... ~ $ 1,000.00

    If you are concerned about the cost, and rightfully so, I can rework hotel choices and find accommodations between $ 100 to $ 150 USD.

    Let me know if you want different hotel choices. That’s perfectly OK by me, it will not take much time. Frugal is good even if one has money.

    You have a VERY valid point about “lugging your luggage too much”. You have many segments, and will be lugging luggage a lot. Cutting out at least one such necessity is a good idea.

    Then plan to stay all 4 nights in Sorrento, and take a day-trip to Capri. I’ll gladly make my suggestions about “best of Capri” you can see in one visit.

    In that case, when you arrive Naples Central Train Station, you will simply walk over to the section where Circumvisuviana trains depart, and take one directly to Sorrento. Then on the day trip to Capri you can enjoy the boat or hydrofoil ride.

    However, on the subject of how much time to spend in Capri when times allow, I strongly disagree with IceAlica about a day trip being enough, but I’ll address her directly.

    Let me work with TrenItalia site, and I’ll let you tomorrow morning if I can find answers to all your train questions.

    I noticed the TrenItalia site has changed (at least since the last 6 months) and became more customer friendly (compared to before). I see there is an option to “buy as visiting customer” without having to register.
  22. vesperholly

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    The hostel I recommended was 90 euros for ALL SIX NIGHTS, not 90 euros a night :D
  23. Angelskates

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    I love hot and am used to crowded, so it doesn't bother me at all. I need to get away!

    That would be great. Actually, my bank was just informing me of "unusual activity" because I almost never use my credit card except for small things like iTunes!

    This sounds like the best option I think.

    Thanks! :)

    ;) Yes, but the reviews were really mixed, too. I think it looked okay, but the negative reviews, about the owner being both nosey and racist (and staff sleeping in the kitchen!) were as consistent as the positive reviews. I would rather pay a little more for my first hotel, because location one is going to be the biggest "winding down" location for me.
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    I'm not sure you can buy more tickets at once. I mean, you can buy tickets for goin to and leaving a city, but that's it.
    6 means 6am. 6pm is 18.
    Mini and Base are different prices. I am not sure about the english version, but on the italian one if you click on "mini" or "base" you can read the explanation. Base is the normal price. Mini is a special offer you can find on almost every train, and it's a lower price for the ticket. IIRC it's available until the day before the departure. If you can choose that option when you buy the ticket, it means that there are still seats available for that price.
    You can also not register as a customer, IIRC you can click on "I want to continue buying without registration", it's more simple.
  25. Tinami Amori

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    It’s best to call “Security/Fraud Prevention Admin. Department” at your bank or credit provider and let them know: a) your card will have charges between June 2 and 20 from various hospitality providers in Italy and Europe, b) You will be traveling from June 20 to July 12, in Italy, Europe, and “insert the country where you change flights”. Or your card will be blocked every few days “for security purposes” and you will have to call and unblock it, which is no fun when you sitting in a café or in a shop buying something, or paying at check out in a hotel (trying to make your train connection).

    Great. I’ll list Sorrento hotels only (100-150 USD range, which is limiting but possible).
    Info re Capri attractions later.

    I will also send 100-150 USD range hotel list in the next post.


    RE TRAINS – FARES – TRENITALIA WEBSITE

    PINGU pretty much covered it. Thank you, PINGU!. Here is some additional info

    MINI & BASE - On the first Home “English Language” page, in the centre, you will see a green and red rectangle which states all MINI fares on major connections: Travel in Italy, RED square MINI, and route description. That tells you about the MINI fares.

    Base Fare – is a full fare, you can exchange it, return it, transfer to later journey, etc.

    In a nut-shell, MINI fare is a discounted “restricted fare” with various conditions, sometimes non-refundable if one misses the exact departure, in some cases refundable but with tougher refund and date/time change policy.

    There are time restrictions on when and how you can exchange or return your ticket, but in best case scenario, there are penalties for changes, and at least 50% fare loss on a refund. If one changes departure time/date, it must be for a later time/date, not earlier than the original ticket.

    MINI (Discount) tickets are offered for each journey, but in limited quantities and once sold out for that specific journey there are no more. So if one holds a Mini Fare ticket for a journey at 9 am, misses departure, and wants to go on the next 11 am journey same day, if the 11 am journey does not have any “mini fare space allocations”, one can not take that journey using MINI fare ticket. It will say “SOLD OUT” if no more MINI fare tickets left.

    There are MINI fares for 1st and 2nd class. On the website there is a “pull-down menu” which allows one to switch between classes, once you switch, you will see if MINI fare is available for your selected class.

    MINI fare discounts (from BASE fares) decrease as it gets closer to the departure date. For example 4 months before departure date the MINI/discounted fare can be as much as 60% lower than BASE fare, but 2 weeks before departure (if any MINI fare tickets left for sale) the discount maybe as little as 10%.

    MINI fare also applies to “less desirable” departure times, less popular routes, and slower/less luxurious trains.

    Basically, if you are sure that you can make THAT SPECIFIC reserved train/departure, then MINI fare maybe a good option. If there is any reason to foresee a possibility that you can miss that train, then buy regular tickets/BASE fare.

    In your case, I am pretty sure you can SAFELY make the following departures:

    - Rome to Naples, Florence to Venice.

    I would NOT buy MINI fare “Naples to Florence”, as you will have to take from train or boat from Sorrento to Naples Train Station, and that introduces another variable.

    To be safe, I would also think 2X about buying “Venice to Milan” MINI fare ticket, since in all probability you will have to take a “water bus/boat” from your hotel in Venice to the train station, and “water-bus” is another variable. Unless, you want to plan your time to arrive at the train stations 1 hour or more in advance and leave hotel very early and wait at the stations (or put your luggage in storage and walk around the station to kill time, which is NOT a bad idea, Venice is Venice even next to the train station).


    SELECTING DEPARTURE TIME,
    After you input your journey criteria (date, departure time, route, number of pax), the site will give you 11 line items per page, 11 possible departures. If any of the suite you, especially time-wise, proceed to purchase.

    If you want to see later departure times, there are TWO highlighted options at the bottom of the 11 listings:

    “View All Solutions” – will give you a long page with times for ALL the departures on that date/route in order of departure time. You may have 30 line-items – all trains leaving that day to your destination from 6 am to 12 midnight (24:00 o’clock).

    “View Next Solution” – will give you next 11 line items, in order of departure time.

    BUYING MULTIPLE TICKETS in “one basket” as one transaction.
    - does not look like it is possible. You can buy more than 1 ticket for 1 journey, but not several tickets for various dates/journeys.

    REGISTRATION
    - as mentioned, there is now an option at the bottom of the “proceed to purchase” pages, which states “proceed to purchase without registration”. Mark that options with X, and go on.
    - That choice will bring you to “buyers data” and “credit card info” screen. It looks very straight forward (but I can’t proceed to check this site without buying a ticket, and I do not need a ticket..:D…).
  26. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    !!!!! QUESTION RE MILAN AND LAKE REGION:
    Angel, will you be staying with some of your friends in Milan?
    If not, do you need hotel recommendations in Milan?

    If you decide to go to Lake Region/Como and Maggiore, and spend the night/s there, will your friends be making hotel arrangements? Or do you need hotel recommendations in Como/Bellagio/Varenna and Stresa/Lesa/other Maggiore town?

    For now:

    Here is a list of Hotels in Sorrento, Florence, Venice for the specified dates, in the price range “Up to 150 USD”.

    Please keep in mind that there is local and state tax. A hotel room listed @ $ 135 USD, with tax will come to $ 155 to $ 160 USD, and so on. So when you reserve a room @ $ 130 USD base rate, you total with tax will be about @ $ 150 USD. So if you want to pay NO MORE than $ 150 USD per night, and decide to take an upgrade on the basic room at basic rate, do not go over $ 130-$135 USD per room before taxes.

    I recommend to book directly with the hotel, more often than none you get better rates directly. But if you’re getting rates HIGHER then the amounts I am listing by more than 10% - let me know, I’ll give you hotel booking sites for each hotel which will honor those rates.


    HOTELS IN SORRENTO (hotels available for any of the dates between June 25th and 30th) under 150 USD/ min single rooms. Rooms with View – higher for the stated “base rates”.

    Closer to town centre and Transportation.

    Hotel Rivage Sorrento - $ 95 usd/70 Euro – single basic room.
    Good location and views. Reasonable walking distance to centre.
    http://www.hotelrivage.com/


    Higher up on the hill, longer walk/shuttle from centre, BETTER views and more luxurious accommodations.

    Grand Hotel Vesuvio Sorrento – $ 124 usd/100 Euro – single basic room.
    Fantastic views from many common areas, decks, verandas, restaurant.
    http://www.vesuviosorrento.com/en/

    Johanna Park Sorrento – $ 105 usd/85 Euro – single basic room.
    2X Fantastic views from many common areas, decks, verandas, restaurant.
    http://www.johannapark.it/

    There is one more, Bed & Breakfast Degli Aranci @ $ 120-130 USD
    www.beb-degliaranci.com
    nothing special about this hotel, and it is located on the main driving road, in the Business/Admin sector of Sorrento (which is actually full of old buildings, rather than concrete and glass offices). It’s noisy and dusty..

    All other hotels are further away from town centre, between 1 and 2 km away, or even higher up on the hills.

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    SEGMENT - HOTELS IN FLORENCE

    In the price range up to $ 150 USD the selection is slightly more limited Florence for the dates of your stay (in June 30, out July 5th – 5 nights). You want hotels close to Arno River (with a “view”) or as a 2nd choice (IMHO) close to the Old Centre/Duomo

    1) Along Arno River (with in 1-2 from river banks, close to Ponte Del Vecchio and walking distance to Uffizi Gallery, Duomo and other attractions). People walk around that area for 24 hours, and you’ll be safe to walk around at any time.

    Residenza D'Epoca San Jacopo - $ 95 - $ 110 USD per night/few blocks from Ponte Del Vecchio, on the Altro Arno bank of the river.
    http://www.residenzadepocasanjacopo.com/en/

    Hotel Scoti - $ 125 - $ 130 USD per night/2 blocks from Arno River/Ponte Del Vecchio – on the side of Old City Centre
    http://www.hotelscoti.com/

    Franz House - $ 90 - $ 125 USD per night/2 blocks from Arno River/Ponte Del Vecchio – on the side of Old City Centre. Excellent location! But very basic rooms
    www.franzhouse.com (if this site does not work from your server) V
    http://www.eng.franzhouse.it/template.php?pag=58520

    or
    http://www.booking.com/hotel/it/fra...gn=us&aid=315281&label=abGzNpNGP6qjRwQM_vve8g


    B&B La Gradiva - $ 95 - $ 110 USD per night/next to Pitti Palace, across the bridge of Ponte Del Vecchio, on the Altro Arno bank of the river. Hotel does not take bookings directly.
    http://www.booking.com/hotel/it/la-gradiva.en.html
    or
    http://www.bedandbreakfast.eu/bed-and-breakfast/florence/bb-la-gradiva/63749

    2) Further away from Arno River/Ponte Del Vecchio, but deeper into “Old Centre” and geographically (but not logistically, as far as car accessible roads) to the Central Train Station. In pedestrian zones. On small streets, facing other buildings, pretty much. Or on a driving street (easy to reach by Taxi, from Station - Via Della Vigna Nuova). All following are close to Duomo.

    Relais Cavalcanti - $ 110 - $ 125 (my choice 1 in this category)
    http://www.relaiscavalcanti.com/?lang=en

    Albergotto Hotel - $ 120 - $ 130 (my choice 2 in this category)
    http://www.albergotto.com/

    One World Apartments - $ 95 - $ 110 (hotel does not take direct bookings)
    http://www.expedia.com/Florence-Hotels-One-World-Apartments.h1596065.Hotel-Information

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    NEXT SEGMENT – HOTELS IN VENICE

    In the price range up to $ 150 USD the selection is slightly more limited Florence for the dates of your stay (in June 30, out July 5th – 5 nights). (in July 5th, out July 8th – 3 nights). I’ll repeat that 60% of hotel locations in Venice are good and convenient, it’s a matter of what you prefer, a view of Grand Canal, view of the Bay, view of Old Narrow Canal or Street..

    The best locations, IMHO – either in Dorsoduro section, or any hotel with Canal or Bay view, but Canal view is going to be tough to get @ base room rate under $ 130 USD, even on a small dingy canal.

    In DORSODURO
    Choice 1 – Pensione Accademia Villa Maravege DORSODURO– 3***, rooms start @ $ 124 USD, some have balconies. Close the bridge to San Marco, Accademia Museum, and wonderful area for walking and eating out (with 2 veggie restaurants!!!). Charming courtyard, well decorated rooms, “home feel”.

    Do ask which rooms they have and check fotos – all rooms are different, it was a private house, and still feels like a “small palazzo”. You want a room with en-suit bathroom and balcony/patio. But make sure you don’t go over 125-130 USD per night if you want to be under $ 150 USD room total.

    http://www.pensioneaccademia.it/
    fotos: http://www.pensioneaccademia.it/gallery.htm

    If you like this hotel, and can get what you require – TAKE IT AND LOOK NO FURTHER. YOU WILL NOT BE SORRY.

    Choice 2 – Ca’ (Casa) Di Sara – 2** - $ 115 USD and up– another private Venetian villa/house turned into bed and breakfast – same area as “Accademia” in Dorsoduro.
    Do ask which rooms they have and check fotos – all rooms are different, it was a private house, and still feels like a “small palazzo”. You want a room with en-suit bathroom and balcony/patio but under $ 130 USD base room rate.
    http://www.casadisara.com/index gb.html

    Choice 3 – Ca’ (Casa) Centopietre - 2** - $ 140 USD to $ 210 USD – another private Venetian villa/house turned into bed and breakfast – same area as “Accademia” in Dorsoduro.

    Do ask which rooms they have and check fotos – all rooms are different, it was a private house, and still feels like a “small palazzo”.
    http://www.centopietre.net/

    ON THE CANAL (in order of preference).

    Al Palazzo Lion Morosini - $ 100 to $ 120 – a real Venetian Palazzo with courtyard. (the one in Cannaregio, not further up north).
    Very central, next to the Grand Canal, 3 blocks up from Rialto Bridge, closer to Train Station.
    Cannaregio 5700 - 30131 Venezia (VE) - ITALY - (P) +39 041 2411138 - (F) +39 041 2417337
    (W) www.lionmorosinipalace.com - (E) info@lionmorosinipalace.com

    Palazzo Rosa - $ 115 to $ 120 – Very central, next to the Grand Canal, 3 blocks up from Rialto Bridge, closer to Train Station.
    http://www.palazzorosa.com/en/

    De L’Alboro - $ 120 to $ 140 – Very central 1 block from Grand Canal, Rialto Bridge
    http://www.alborohotel.it/


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    - Let me know if you like any of these hotels but having problems with sites, variations in prices, etc.
    - Once the Hotels and Trains are booked, please let me know. We’ll proceed to tickets, tours, and other miscl issues in each location.

    Cheers! Tinami (I'll check for your answers and/or questions end of the day).
  27. Angelskates

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    In Milan, yes. Lake region, I don't know!! alhrayth??

    Tinami - am I correct in that I should only be booking two trains now, RomaTermini to Naploli Centrale around 8 to 9 a.m. on June 25, and then Florence to Venice??

    I just booked the Rome to Naples train! :cheer2:

    Train: Frecciarossa 9603 date 25/06/2012
    Departure: Roma Termini (time: 09:10); Arrival: Napoli Centrale (time: 10:20)
    Carriage: 10; Place: 13D (Mandatory reservation) ; Service : 2° Standard;
    Fare: MINI: 2ª STANDARD; 1 Adults;

    I chose 9:10 a.m. instead of 9 a.m. since it was the same price for leather seats over fabric seats :lol:

    Which Firenze and Venezia stations, TA? Firenze Santa Maria Novella and Stazione di Venezia Santa Lucia, right? It's the morning of July 5?

    The Firenze S. M. Novella 10:00 Venezia S. Lucia 12:03 is only 29 Euro (the rest are 39). Is that too late??

    How do I do the Euro sign on my Mac??
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  28. PrincessLeppard

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    €€€€€ ;)

    According to my German colleague (who has an Italian housemate), there is for within city public transport, and trains within Europe (country to country) but not cities within Italy.
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  31. Angelskates

    Angelskates Well-Known Member

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    At about €340, I don't know if it would turn out cheaper? Most of the tickets I want are max €39, which gives me 8.7 train trips...the international transaction charge hasn't come on my credit card yet, but I'll see how much it is and then see if I think it's worth it :) Thanks!

    Oh, I was looking at the "family"

    ETA: I think, it might not be cheaper for me after all! After getting from Rome to Naples (I already bought that one) I think I only need - city to city - Naples to Florence, Florence to Venice and then Venice to Milan, right? So I'd choose the 3 days one? That's around €177, but if I were buying the tickets separately at €39, it'd only be €117...

    Urgh, PL, you have to pay for shipping (I thought it would be emailed!) - I don't trust it would ever make it here, even with the extra theft etc. charge...
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  32. PrincessLeppard

    PrincessLeppard Pink Bitch

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    I forgot about the shipping to China part. That would suck.
  33. Angelskates

    Angelskates Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it would.

    Tinami, I'm just confirming this for hotels/trains:

    June 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 - Rome (5 nights - booked)

    June 25, train from Rome to Naples (booked), train from Naples to Sorrento (not booked)

    June 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 - Sorrento (5 nights - not yet booked) (visit Pompeii/Amalfi/Capri)

    June 30 (morning) take train back to Naples (not booked) and from Naples to Florence (not booked)

    June 30, July 1, 2, 3, 4 – Florence (5 nights - not yet booked) (1 day – Siena, 1 day – St. Gimignano and/or Volterra)

    July 5 (morning) take the train from Florence to Venice (not booked)

    July 5, 6, 7 - Venice (3 nights - not yet booked)

    July 8 (morning) take the train from Venice to Milan (not booked)

    July 8 - Milan (1 night, accommodation with alhrayth and her cats :cat: - booked :p)

    July 9, 10 - Lake regions (waiting on alhrayth ;))

    July 10 (late?) back to Milan for the night (?) and then July 11 - back to Beijing
  34. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    Great! you got the Rome-Naples segment! Good departure time, you will still have enough time in the afternoon to explore Sorrento.

    You can go ahead and buy tickets for ALL segments, since you have finalized days/locations in Sorrento/Amalfi Coast region, and will NOT be adding or subtracting days from Florence/Tuscany regions.

    This is what is left, I believe 3 segments:

    - Naples Centrale to Florence Central (St. Maria Nouvela
    Book train ex Naples on June 30th, after 12 noon (so that you have time in AM to get from Sorrento to Naples train station).

    - Florence SMN to Venice - Venezia S. Lucia (Venice has only 1 station). yes. Book train for July 5th. Your choice is perfect: Firenze S. M. Novella 10:00
    Venezia S. Lucia 12:03


    - Venice to Milan (Milano Centrale) - July 8th, try to get a train out of Venice between 9:00 in the morning and 12 noon, not later.

    I am not familiar with MAC set up and fonts. What I do, when I do not have a EURO sign handy, I search for an article on the web which has Euro sign, and copy that sign into "text/word file", and save for future use.

    Here: copy this one and save

    € euro sign
  35. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    Great. To avoid many quotes, I will keep your questions in black and my answers in another color (dark blue)


    June 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 - Rome (5 nights - booked)
    Great!

    June 25, train from Rome to Naples (booked), train from Naples to Sorrento (not booked)
    -Train from Naples to Sorrento, Circumvisuviana Service, does not really requires booking it is a local train, which works like a "shuttle", a "tram", to connect all cities on the Bay of Naples.
    - It runs from Naples to Sorrento, stopping at several major towns on the way, and has 2 lines off up the hills of Vesuvious region.
    - You can just buy your ticket at the ticket office, like you would for a bus or a tram.
    - When you arrive Naples Centrale from Rome, go over to the "Circumvisuviana Section", and buy ticket for next departure.


    June 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 - Sorrento (5 nights - not yet booked) (visit Pompeii/Amalfi/Capri)
    - Yes, correct! Go ahead and book. I listed few hotels (2nd set of choices) under $ 150 USDin the previouse post.

    June 30 (morning) take train back to Naples (not booked) and from Naples to Florence (not booked)
    - Yes, go ahead and book. I wrote more info in the previous post.

    June 30, July 1, 2, 3, 4 – Florence (5 nights - not yet booked) (1 day – Siena, 1 day – St. Gimignano and/or Volterra)
    July 5 (morning) take the train from Florence to Venice (not booked)
    July 5, 6, 7 - Venice (3 nights - not yet booked)

    - Yes, correct! Go ahead and book, hotel and train. I listed few hotels (2nd set of choices) under $ 150 USD.in the previous post

    July 8 (morning) take the train from Venice to Milan (not booked)
    - Yes, correct! Go ahead and train departure between 9 AM and 12 noon.


    July 8 - Milan (1 night, accommodation with alhrayth and her cats :cat: - booked :p)
    - Bring cats a "cat snack" or a toy, but not "made in china"!:cat::rofl:

    July 9, 10 - Lake regions (waiting on alhrayth ;))
    I seriously dobut Alhrayth needs help with hotel suggestions on the Lakes, but if she is tied up with time, let me know.

    July 10 (late?) back to Milan for the night (?) and then July 11 - back to Beijing

    If you will be staying at Lake Maggiore on evening of July 10th, there is a direct morning bus from town of Stresa to Milan Airport/Malpensa which you can take early morning on July 11th. But it will take some planing.

    You see, you'd be waisting your time to return to Milan on the 10th from the lake region. It takes about 1.5-2 hours (realistically) to get back to the city.

    Then you will need at least 1.5 hours on the 11th to go ex Milan to Airport Malpensa, which is sort of "back towards the lakes".

    If at all possible, I would end my travels on Lake Maggiore, in the town of Stresa, and early on the morning of July 11th, (as in 6 or 7 in the morning) would take public transportation/bus directly to Malpensa Airport (50 minutes ride).

    I've posted this info few posts earlier. You and Alhrayth can make a choice, and check the direct bus schedule ex Stresa to Malpensa, if there is one in time for your flight.

    Also, that means you two will have to stay in a hotel the night of July 10th, vs. at Alhrayth's appartment.

    Check with Alhrayth, what she thinks is best.
  36. Angelskates

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    alhrayth has a car :cheer2: and she can drive it :cheer2: :p
  37. Angelskates

    Angelskates Well-Known Member

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    My updates are in purple!

    June 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 - Rome (5 nights - booked)

    June 25, train from Rome to Naples (booked), train from Naples to Sorrento (not booked, doesn't need booking)

    June 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 - Sorrento (5 nights - booked, Grand Hotel Vesuvio, double with balcony :)) (visit Pompeii/Amalfi/Capri)

    June 30 (morning) take train back to Naples (not booked this doesn't need booking does it?) and from Naples to Florence (booked!!)

    June 30, July 1, 2, 3, 4 – Florence (5 nights - booked at Relais Cavalcanti) (1 day – Siena, 1 day – St. Gimignano and/or Volterra)

    July 5 (morning) take the train from Florence to Venice (booked!!)

    July 5, 6, 7 - Venice (3 nights - booked single with shower, canal view at Pensione Accademia, everything else there was full!)

    July 8 (morning) take the train from Venice to Milan (booked!!)

    July 8 - Milan (1 night, accommodation with alhrayth and her cats :cat: - booked :p)

    July 9, 10 - Lake regions (waiting on alhrayth ;))

    July 10 (late?) back to Milan for the night (?) and then July 11 - back to Beijing

    I'll wait on alhrayth :)

    I'm done. Well, for now, anyway!:)

    Back to the grindstone of report writing...
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  38. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    Perrrrfect! I am glad you found availability at the hotels you've listed as "booked", they are "high choices" on my list.
    Just for the record, all hotels on my lists were available this morning (our morning) and I am learning from you that in 14 hours most were booked up.... ha! avalability is worst than I thought...

    Great news about Miss A having a car! you will be able to see so much more, if she can drive with you.

    So... next step (after you don't with report), we'll work on local tours, tickets and transportation.

    QUESTION: Where you able to buy the regular RomaPass (i remember the the premium one was not available)?

    Also re: Vatican admission. Where you able to look at any websites, and find a way to either buy tickets in advance, or joint a tour?

    I will leave Rome issues along for now, and will give you refs to other regions/locations.
  39. Angelskates

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    I did buy a Roma Pass, but I couldn't get the Archaeological (Museum?) one. I have a good friend in Rome who may be able to help me on that side. She just got married yesterday though, so I don't think she'll be replying to my email for a few days ;) (She does know that I'm visiting though!)

    Thanks so much for all your help! I'm now on the side of freaking out about all of the work I have to before I actually leave :blah:
  40. Tinami Amori

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    You've done the main part, hotels and trains.

    next critical: tickets to main museums in Florence. I'll have that info tomorrow.

    All the rest can be done at a more leisurly pace.

    We'll talk about tix to Vatican tomorrow as well.