Top 20 female jumpers of all time

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  1. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

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    My list is based not only on difficulty, but also consistency and GOE

    midori ito
    yuna kim
    miki ando
    irina slutskaya
    mao asada
    tonya harding
    tara lipinski

    They may be in a weird order but im pretty sure these are the top

    Other skaters like yamaguchi, kostner, bonaly, rochette, volchkova, kwan are close but all lack in some area of consistency, difficulty or GOE
  2. robinhood

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    Rochette had very pretty jumps, maybe not the highest but the speed going in and out was impressive. Particularly her salchow and loop were gorgeous

    Kim's are out of this world, but everyone has already mentioned her

    Noone has mentioned Shizuka. i think she's been the strongest jumper in Japan since Midori. Well, a case can be made for a young Mao whose jumping seemed light and effortless but the technique was very unconventional and seems to have caught up with her, as she grew.

    I liked Chen's jumps too. By 95-96 season were the prettiest imho, the good height and distance and the delay in rotation was spectacular. I recognize the degradation of her jumps by the 98 season
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  3. briancoogaert

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    Shizuka's technique is not very conventional as well ;)
    But she has very strong jumps, and her Lutz and Toe were among the best.
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    1. Mao Asada ( for the phenomenal jump content/difficulty she has showcased through her career) that includes Two 3-3 combinations AND a 3A in one program, three 3A's in one competition, the first female to land a 3A in junior competitions, for having showcased seven tripple programs, the skater who has gotten the most 3A's ratified, for having showcased all kind of triples in her career..... and of course for having the most effortless jumps ever.... she has skated to the Technically most difficult jumps layouts and has many history several times!
    2. Midori Ito for her huge jumps, especially the 3A and 3-3
    3. Miki Ando another accomplished jumper, for being the first female to have landed a quad and for the many 3-3 she has showcased
    4. Irina slutskaya
    5. Shizuka Arakawa
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  6. chanunderrated

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    Bonaly didnt have big or quality jumps in anyway IMO. The only thing she had was ability to somehow pull off alot of hard jumps consistency with the worst technique.
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  7. robinhood

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    Why isn't it conventional? well, I am no tecnik expert, but she doesn't switch edges like Mao, or prerrotates heavily or has a leg wrap or a mule kick...her flip took off from an obvious outside edge, but apart from that she had very strong jumping technique from my amateur opinion.
  8. briancoogaert

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    As you mentioned it, she lips.
    But other than that, her Salchow is prerorated and 2-footed on the take-off (I know many people think it's a good technique, but it's not the conventional technique).
    And she has a very very round technique (ala Silvia Fontana). Low on her knees, that's why her jumps were often under-rotated.
    JMHO, I don't like Shizuka's jumps, although I love her skating ;)
  9. ks777

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    I thought Salcow and Loop jumps were impossible not to pre-rotate.
  10. briancoogaert

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    Yes, but the technique with two feet is even worse. You see the kind of Salchow's technique by Frederic Dambier, Florent Amodio... with a free opened foot ;)
  11. robinhood

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    ^I think she only underrotated sometimes her 3-3, though I will check what you say about her lowness of the knees. I just think her landings were superb, soft and her jumps seemed effortless
    The 2 footed salchow I know is sort of a personal thing with Shizuka, though it didn't seem for me that prerrotated as say Goebel's...it looked beautiful, but I understand what you point out
    Anyway, I think the only textbook jumper I can think of in the female division is Rochette or Kim...anyone else has some sort of flaw

    Actually, I dunno if anyone mentioned Kerrigan but I think her jumps were very pretty when she hit them (pity her style didn't match them)
  12. kukkura

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    How many women have landed seven triples in one LP in an international competition? Could there be more than 20?
  13. briancoogaert

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    Even Jennifer Kirk landed 7 triples at 2001 Trophee Lalique. I'm sur more than 20 ladies landed 7 triples LP ;)
  14. npavel

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    I'm still thinking of Carolina Kostner as one of the best jumpers ever. She has landed several 7 triples LP, she has textbook jumps, has all textbook triples except the axel. I don't get why YuNa is in without the 3L and Caro not.
  15. robinhood

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    the only problem I have with Kostner is the telegraphing...she needs a lot of preparation for her toe jumps, though the form and trajectory are spectacular
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    Like someone else said, Nancy Kerrigan had some really nice jumps. I think most people overlook them because Midori and Tanya were skating at the same time as her.

    And of course Lu Chen had some great jumps in her prime-- on all 5 different triples, which can't be said of most of the ladies listed here (well her lutz entry was a little iffy, but that's getting nit picky). The height and distance on her jumps were superb.
  17. TripleWallie

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    Because Kostner is only consistent with 3Salchow, 3Toe and 3Loop. She's often made mistakes on her 3Lutz (despite its beauty when executed) and also on her 3Flip. Kostner has done 7-triple LP, but so has Yuna in her earlier years. (See 2005 JGPF and 2007 CoR)

    Kostner's 7-triples per se is not that impressive against the 45+ ratified triple-triples by Yuna. How many triple-triples has Kostner landed in ISU competitions?
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    You can't compare Shizuka's jumps with Fontana, Silvia's technique was horrid, I could barely watch her! I love Shizuka's jumps, so powerful and smooth, with a lovely knee bend. I don't agree her jumps were that bad in "roundness". I'm usually no fan of the round jumps, like Weir or Eldredge. (If that made sense, to early in the morning to think of a female example...)

    When this thread popped up, Lavrenchuk and Czako were the first that came to mind, apart from the obvious choices. We should do a thread for the men, so I can ├╝ber about Urmanov!
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    41. And that is only in ISU Senior competitions, not counting ISU B-competitions or ISU Junior competitions (when she regularily landed two 3-3s in her FPs).
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  20. briancoogaert

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    I have the feeling that many people haven't watched Carolina Kostner before 2011.
    From 2003 to 2010, Carolina was one of the few ladies with all 5 triples in her LP, including a 3F/3T in the SP and in the LP.
    She is far from being consistent, of course, but her jumping technique is very, very good, and she has tried very difficult layout. I'm not fond of her Lutz and her Flip before she went to Frank Carol, but now, her Flip technique is perfect. ;)
  21. chanunderrated

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    Since Yu Na is about 20 times a more consistent jumper than Kostner over their respective careers. Kostner also takes way too long to set up her jumps even if she approaches them fast, and they dont have near the control of Kims. Compare the points each typically earns from jumps alone in a program and Kim is way ahead.
  22. casken

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    Krisztina Czako absolutely deserves a mention. Her jumps were breathtaking.

    I remember the first time I saw her at Euros in 2003 she did 3Lutz/3T and 3F/3T in the LP!
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    And Amber Corwin. :lol:
  24. bardtoob

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    At least she no longer goes completely flat, arms pasted to her side, while gliding 3/4 across the rink and staying that way until she is off the ice during the flip.
  25. Sasha'sSpins

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    I just can't include someone like Bonaly in a list of great jumpers with her poor technique going into and out of jumps. As Scott Hamilton would point out, 'she stops, brakes, turns' then goes into the jump and nearly always with a herky-jerky style. Surya telegraphed all of her jumps, muscled through them, often seemed to UR and her run out was often lacking. Her edging in particular was atrocious.

    Debi Thomas seemed like a strong jumper (apart from her '88 Olympic and Worlds skates). For their times, Tenley Albright and Carol Heiss seemed like good jumpers, as did 1961 U.S. Ladies medallists Laurence Owen, Stephanie Westerfeld and especially Rhode Lee Michelson.

    Midori Ito remains for me as the all-time greatest ladies jumper overall. She wrapped her leg around as she jumped but that wasn't penalized in her day.
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  26. Simone411

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    Here is Elaine's FS. Really enjoyed watching this program again. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHLZfJiAvb0
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  27. dorianhotel

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    I would say Yu Na Kim. Even if she has only three truly great triples and one other pretty good one, her toe jumps are so extraordinary she would be my pick as best jumper ever. Not sure after that. Ito is an amazing jumper but her leg wrap was hideous. I wonder how GOE on her jumps would be scored today as by the criteria there are major deductions for form. Harding would probably score higher on her clean jumps today than Ito as they were just as big but had beautiful pencil form. Harding would easily be the best jumper ever if she wasnt so inconsistent I think. Why is nobody mentioning Kwan. I would atleast have her top 15 and maybe top 10, considering all her clean 7 triple programs, but nobody is even picking her for top 20. She wasnt the biggest jumper and her jumps are overshadowed by her artistry, and she wasnt that strong in doing harder triple-triples, and she had a flutz, but she still was a great jumper.
  28. query5

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    Mine wouldbe
    Michelle mainly 7 jumos if not six.
    Was,clean flowed out,.,they dont do it. Anymore

    Shizuka
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    carolina kostner
    Those are my 3.
    Possible irina didnt flow out of jumps stopoed. Barely did edges
    Sasha possible.
    Not tara jumps small,barely of ics, no flow

    Iwould add in yuna
    I wouldnt add in skater earlier than 1992 for a simpke reason that being time.
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    Michelle made jumps look so easy, ffortlessly.
    Tara, irina didnt, amsasha once in a,while.
    But even they make it look easy compared,to noe.
    It comes across as a chore, soneyhing I have tovdo forboiints.,mist tine they liij,ehere they regarding messes rather than look whay I csncdo, how eady it is.
    Or,have,goofy faces when messed up,saying . Yep evenceithistajes I

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  29. query5

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    Have goofy faces after,messess,thinking yep,icwon,despite,major erroe,because I,left enough points on ice,to win, medal.
  30. Lnt175

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    I think with Kwan she should get points for her consistency and controlled landings. I wouldn't put her top 10, but definitely top 25 of all time. I agree Harding was even better than Ito which is no easy task. Right up to the axe,l each and every jump was textbook. Its hard making a list because there were so many great jumpers who are now mostly forgotten (Lavenchuck for example) but Harding is definitely number 1 and Ito right next to her.
  31. orbitz

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    Tonya's 3A was "textbook" ? You will not find one single text book or any coach that teaches his student to perform a 3A with a very obvious outside-of-the-circle tilt in the air and with a wide, swinging free leg on the landing.
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    Thank you!! Her 3axel was a jump that she flung into the air. There was no technique about it. She just knew how to get right on that edge and use it to propel herself into the air. She flung herself up, was ALWAYS leaning back heavily and had a crazy free leg on the landing. Nothing about it was right. It is a wonder she ever landed it more than once in competition, to be honest.
  34. bardtoob

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    I disagree that there is "nothing" right. The first of these attempts is right and straight.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYViHpq1KTs

    Of course, she was always best in her first attempts because she was not fatigued. Her jumps often looked best in the warm-ups immediately prior to her skating group. Conditioning more would have fixed that.
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  36. bardtoob

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    I see her step onto the right inside edge and do an edge pull, just like the edge pull during the single walley immediately prior, as she picks. Some people are wrong for calling jumps by the entrance rather than the edge.

    ... I probably should have made the link to start before the single walley.
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  38. TheIronLady

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    This is a fair list except I would have to lower or remove altogether the inclusion of Lipinski. Her jumps would have been considered tiny, juniorish, and flawed had she not done so many of them and not skated in a time when flutz was only starting to become an international buzzword. Kwan likewise had small jumps, but over her long career she demonstrated good technique and highly superior muscle memory. Her jumping upped the ante in the ladies event because of her consistency, and she performed all the different jumps without flaws over many seasons. Kwan thus belongs on the list and maybe higher. I would remove Bonnaly. She should only be on the list of top 20 back flips. I don't know if Biellman should be here or so high, but I never saw her perform. Perhaps those who saw her 3Ts in the 90s and 2000s can attest to her jumping strengths. Liashenko's powerful jumps could be included but for those hideously telegraphed entrances. She also fell plenty, so nevermind her. Anna Rechnio could be considered.
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  39. TheIronLady

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    Volchkova had technique issues, but her lutz jumping was very close to that of a man. It was amazing to watch the speed, force, and power. The rest of the women looked liked amateurs next to her. It is a shame she was so noticeably uncomfortable in front of audiences. She never seemed to care about winning either.
  40. TheIronLady

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    I think you are not considering her jumping over a very long career and just the last years when she has been almost psyched out. Her many 3As over the past 9 years will be studied for years to come. She at least belongs in the top 20. Landing three 3As at the Olympic games is also a feat yet to be rivaled.
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