Top 10 ladies 1989 to present

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  1. longingfornia

    longingfornia New Member

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    1 Michelle Kwan USA

    2 Yuna Kim SK

    3 Mao Asada JPN

    4 Irina Slutskaya RUS

    5 JShizuka Arakawa JPN

    6 Kristi Yamaguchi USA

    7 Sasha Cohen USA

    8 Midori Ito JPN

    9 Maria Butyrskaya RUS

    10 Tara Lipinski USA
     
  2. attyfan

    attyfan Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there will be a lot of dispute about the names, although maybe the order? I am curious ... why do you think Butyrskaya outranks Lipinski? Since Ito was a trailblazer, I think I would have her second or third on the list.
     
  3. olympic

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    I think Chen Lu belongs on there
     
  4. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member

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    Top 10 ladies based on what?
     
  5. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Mine would be:

    1. Midori Ito
    2. Yu Na Kim
    3. Michelle Kwan
    4. Kristi Yamaguchi
    5. Irina Slutskaya
    6. Mao Asada
    7. Tara Lipinski
    8. Shizuka Arakawa
    9. Lu Chen
    10. One out of Sasha Cohen, Maria Butyrskaya, Jill Trenary, Sarah Hughes, Miki Ando, Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan
     
  6. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    Look at the medal record. :lol:

    I'm not sure what the criteria was for the list but some are missing and I don't see the hype surrounding others, ie Lipinski.
     
  7. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Lipinski at 14 or 15 could already beat Butyrskaya in her sleep. She was winning major events where Butyrskaya wasnt even making the podium. And Tara achieved more in 15 months than Maria did in her decade long career. There is no comparision really. Tara at her short peak won 4 of 5 major meetings with Michelle Kwan. Butyrskaya managed 2 wins over Kwan her whole career.
     
  8. ks777

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    Sasha Cohen hasn't won any Major title(Olympic gold or world gold) so I wouldn't put her in the top 10 if it's based on accomplishments.
     
  9. julieann

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    It's sometimes about longevity in a career not just about winning one Worlds, one Olympics and one Nationals and not much else then calling it quits. Some athletes just like to compete for a decade no matter what color medal they get. I would much rather have Kwan's or Slutskaya's career than Lipinski's.

    Besides we have no idea how her career would have turned out. She could have been a legend or never live up to that hype ever again, who knows.
     
  10. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

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    agreed with your list, but in terms of the top 4 it's quite hard to determine the exact order. depends on your personal opinion of what should be weighted more heavily
     
  11. blue_idealist

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    1) Michelle Kwan

    2) Yu-Na Kim

    3) Lu Chen

    4) Irina Slutskaya

    5) Mao Asada

    6) Midori Ito

    7) Kristi Yamaguchi

    8) Tara Lipinski

    9) Shizuka Arakawa

    10) Sasha Cohen

    Hard to leave Baiul, Kerrigan, Hughes and Butyrskaya off the list but Butyrskaya has no Olympic medal, and the other three didn't thrill me in the least even though they do.
     
  12. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I am not talking about Kwan or Slutskaya though. I am talking about Butyrskaya. I would much rather have Taras career than Marias even with her longevity as mostly a second tier wannabee contender. I think nearly every skater would too.

    I actually think Taras career might well have fizzled out had she continued. It is irrelevant though, she easily did enough in 15 months to trump Marias whole career. And it is not like Maria left any kind of mark on the sport beyond her medals. First Russian to win Worlds but years from now most people probably will assume that was Slutskaya and would need to be told it was Maria. Tara will always be the youngest to ever win Olympics or Worlds and has invented 2 triple-triple combinations. And to most who followed the sport at the time will mostly remember Maria winning Worlds since Kwan fell and the rest of the field was really weak that year, she was never at any point considered the best skater in the World, or even arguably so.
     
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  13. miki88

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    This again? How many of these lists have we had already? :blah:
     
  14. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    I think you are selling Maria a tad short. She has medaled at the Soviet/Russian Championships every year for 11 years; those being 6 gold, 3 silver, 2 bronze. She won 6 European medals including 3 gold - one at the age of 29. She won a myriad of Grand Prix medals including 4 golds at Trophee Lalique (in a row) one a Skate America, Skate Canada, NHK and 3 medals at the Grand Prix Final. She had respectable showings at the Olympics with a 4th place and a 6th place. Just because one doesn’t come home with a medal doesn’t mean it’s not an accomplishment. If that is how the IOC saw it they would only invite the top 10 skaters. She has 3 medals from the World Championships including one gold; which you pointed out she only won because Michelle Kwan fell.

    Well, if all the medals were taken from those who won them because of a weak field or someone didn’t do well, not many athletes in any sport would have medals.
     
  15. longingfornia

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    i just watched Lu Chen's 95 Wc long and think maybe i had forgot how great she was. Sasha could have been top five if she got gold in Turin plus i think she is a stronger skater then Shizuka. Omg Kwan's long in Nagano OG98 was some much better then Tara's IMHO
     
  16. longingfornia

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    Are saying That Sarah Hughes,Miki Ando,Kimmie Mes... are better
     
  17. julieann

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    I think some may be putting a little too much weight on the "Olympic" gold medal. After all when put into perpsective....it's just winning one program in four years.

    So if a skater A won gold at every competition for six years except a silver at the Olympics and skater B got 4th place at every competition for six years except a gold at the Olympics, skater B would be considered more successful? Not buying it...
     
  18. BigB08822

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    In no order:

    Kwan
    Slutskaya
    Yu Na Kim
    Mao Asada
    Yamaguchi
    Ito
    Lu Chen
    Baiul
    Lipinski
    Kerrigan

    This is just for me, personally. Somewhat based on results and somewhat based on other factors such as talent and longevity of career.
     
  19. AnnieBgood

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    Not in order: This is just opinion, and not based on anything but.

    -Kristi Yamaguchi

    -Irina Slutskaya

    -Kim Yu Na

    -Michelle Kwan

    -Sasha Cohen

    -Tara Lipinski

    -Angela Nikodinov

    -Shizuka Arakawa

    -Viktoria Volchkova (or could've been IMO)

    -Alissa Czisny
     
  20. Jenny81

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    - Michelle Kwan

    - Yuna Kim

    - Kristi Yamaguchi

    - Irina Slutskaya

    - Midori Ito
     
  21. bartek

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    1. Irina Slutskaya
    2. Yu-Na Kim
    3. Midori Ito
    4. Sasha Cohen
    5. Michelle Kwan
    6. Mao Asada
    7. Shizuka Arakawa
    8. Kristi Yamaguchi
    9. Miki Ando
    10. Tara Lipinski

    In my top 5 they are very close to each other.
     
  22. longingfornia

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    1. Michelle Kwan
    2. Kristi Yamaguchi
    3. Midori Ito
    4. Yu-Na Kim
    5. Irina Slutskaya
    6. Mao Asada
    7. Tara Lipinski
    8. Maria Butyrskaya
    9. Yuka Sato
    10. Sasha Cohen
     
  25. Proustable

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    In rough chronological order. My favourites only

    Midori Ito
    Kristi Yamaguchi
    Chen Lu
    Lucinda Ruh
    Irina Slutskaya
    Shizuka Arakawa
    Carolina Kostner
    Mao Asada
    Yu Na Kim
     
  26. ks777

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    My 10 favorites are;

    Yuka Sato
    Midori Ito
    Michelle Kwan
    Shizuka Arakawa
    Lu Chen
    Yuna Kim
    Mao Asada
    Oksana Baiul
    Sasha Cohen
    Tara Lipinki
     
  27. BmcC102

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    Favorites:
    Tara Lipinski
    Michelle Kwan
    Sasha Cohen
    Midori Ito
    Sarah Hughes
    Lu Chen
    Yukari Nakano
    Mirai Nagasu
    Mao Asada
    Carolina Kostner

    I know they aren't "the best" to many, but these ladies (and about 10 more) are the only ones whom I want to watch skate over and over again on youtube. :)
     
  28. ks777

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    I forgot to add Miki Ando.. There are too many skaters.
     
  29. PUNKPRINCESS

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    :D

    My only comment is that these Top 10's have mostly the same skaters.
     
  30. briancoogaert

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    Right ! But every time I answer such a question, it's never the same answer !