Tonya Harding at the 1993 U.S. National Championships

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  1. judgejudy27

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    I agree with that and that event showed in a huge way who was the USFSA #1 choice at that point, and was part of the rage boiling up inside Harding and her team. Harding probably would have had to do 6 triples to be placed over Kerrigan with only 3 at Nationals that year.
  2. Triple Butz

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    LOVE Tonya, but I always laugh when I see her spiral. Despite how hideous the position was, she sure did love to hold it forever and put it into every program. It's like she was saying, "Look, I'm NOT Nancy!"
  3. casken

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    But she won the short program over Bauil and Bonaly at 93 SA after not even making to 93 worlds and being only the 4th ranked US skater. Plus being US #2 didn't stop Yamaguchi from winning gold in 91, or being US #2 or even #3 didn't stop Kerrigan from making the podium in 91 and 92.

    Actually I always wanted to know what happened at 93 NHK. It was referenced in the Tonya/Nancy TV movie but there are no videos of the event anywhere online, nor are there any competition reports. I can't believe that Harding skated totally clean and only placed 7th considering she made two errors at the Olympics a few months later and came in 10th, unless 6 other skaters were squeaky clean at NHK.
  4. judgejudy27

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    Baiul did only a double lutz-double toe combo in the SP of Skate America and unless it was a real splatfest was probably gifted to even be 2nd. I dont remember Bonaly.

    Yamaguchi was never really the #2 U.S skater coming out of the 91 Nationals. At worst she was now co-#1 after Harding's big upset Nationals win, which remember Yamaguchi was the runaway U.S #1 going into. Even after that I suspect the USFSA still prefered Yamaguchi all things equal even at that point. Harding was not only a distant #2 to Kerrigan in the USFSA's eyes by 93 but a very distant one. That was made evident in countless ways throughout the season (the judging of Nationals, the USFSA cheesy pro ams, etc...).

    As for Kerrigan, well she got very lucky in the big events in 91 and 92 that everyone else except a couple skaters skated even worse than she did. Her luck ran out in a big way at the 93 Worlds though.
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    I suspect that even Midori's skating would have looked outdated at '93 Worlds--it seemed that "power skating" was going out of vogue. At the same time, I think Tonya would have been better off staying with Dody Teachman. Barbara Flowers gave her some really interesting choreography IMO. Unfortunately, she passed away at the end of '93.

    I remember that this event was televised. Wasn't this the competition where Maria Butyrskaya made her big splash?

    What about Lalique? Did Tonya and Nancy each have only one int'l assignment that year?

    I think she stepped out of one of them. I remember that, during the broadcast, Dick said something like, "Tonya has decided to take the triple axel out of her program because of [can't remember the reason]. That was a very professional move on her part." I never really understood what he meant by that.

    I think the theme of '93 Nationals was: "Here, you take the national title, cuz I sure don't want it!" ;)

    Huh? The only person who knows whether she was trying is Tonya herself. And why would she not try? Having said that, I don't think her performance had much fire or inspiration.

    Well, to bump Kwiatkowski, Bobek might have needed a little help from Shawn Eckardt. ;)

    Actually, if she had skated her '96 Nationals performances the previous year, she might have won the national title IMO.

    I wonder how many more triples Tonya would've needed to land in her LP at '91 Worlds to win the title? I would think that two more would have done it. You really do have to strike while the iron is hot, and unfortunately, by the end of the '91-'92 season, Tonya had fallen out of favor. Still, the judges seemed to like her again at '93 Skate America.

    I think she was in pretty good favor up till '92. Her lackluster performances at '92 Nationals did not help at all, making her the lowest-ranked U.S. lady. Then she showed up late at the Olympics, and didn't give the impression that she was very disciplined or focused. If she had shown up at the Olympics early, schmoozed with Kristi and Nancy, and acted totally disciplined like a "good little girl," I think she would have gotten better marks from the judges.
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  6. briancoogaert

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    I agree, but honestly, Tonya's skating - even at her best - was awful... :slinkaway
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    Agree completely.

    (Skate Canada 1992) Yes.

    The US lady was Tisha Walker, who finished 8th.

    Yes, one international plus they were the two "am" ladies at the pro-am.

    Wasn't it because she had a cold/asthma attack?

    If she wasn't getting them rotated or landed in practice/warmup, better to replace it in competition with something she had a better chance of landing.
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    Button said that Harding took the triple axel out of her program because, since she was skating first, she didn't get the full 6-minute warmup and didn't think she had sufficient time to warm up the jump. Well, whatever. :rolleyes: Frankly, I just don't think she was well-trained enough to get through her program with a full set of triples, even without the axel.
  9. judgejudy27

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    I agree. Or atleast they would have had to put her 2nd to Bobek and bump 14 year old Kwan off the World team. I suspect they might have had to give it to her though. She would have been the only one of the top 3 to skate either program cleanly and she would have done both cleanly in that case. It is interesting to wonder if Kwan would have still had the same reaction she did after not medaling at the 95 Worlds, to mature her skating by about 5 years, or if she would have just assumed she didnt make Worlds since she had a bad skate and not made that progress so quickly. Also would she even have had the reputation to become the top skater in the 95-96 season without even making it to the 95 Worlds vs coming 4th and creating all that buzz with those amazing performances and all the wuzrobbed cries.

    It is also intersting to wonder how Kwiatkowski might have fared at the 95 Worlds as the U.S Champion. Still from that point on the most she could have hoped to have been was a solid journeywomen skater. She really maxed out her potential as a skater at 96 Nationals and 96 Worlds and it was good enough for a U.S silver and a Worlds 8th place (wuzrobbed but that is what happens when you arent a 25 year old women who isnt a big name). I think that is about as far as she was going to go in the grand scheme of things, and I think she really did go on to maximize her potential as a skater. She even had a decent pro career for several years, which she would never have had if she retired after the 94 Nationals.
  10. essence_of_soy

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    Where did the term "journeywoman" come from?

    It makes Kwaitkowski sound like some dowdy spinster, when in fact, she was quite the multi - tasker, able to skate at the elite level and study in college like Debi Thomas and Paul Wylie.

    Tonia was such a terrifically - packaged skater. Loved the look, and the dedication.
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    I think me and judgejudy have hit the "agree to disagree" point. Plus I'm kind of tipsy and want to make love not war. :D

    Anyway, I always wondered what would have happened had Kwiatkowski stood up on that triple flip in 95. She had two judges over Kwan even with the fall, so I'm sure she would have gotten at least the other three judges for second place. The judges *loved* Bobek, but two squeaky clean programs from Kwiatkowski would have been hard to deny for first, considering Bobek had mistakes in both programs.

    Tonia's success definitely came more from hard work than from natural talent or being a tiny jumper She did as well as probably can be expected. 98 Worlds was a bonus. It was frustrating to watch her lose out to whenever Bobek decided it was worth actually training for an event for a few weeks and then not bothering again.
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  12. neptune

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    Did she land a triple in the SP there?

    That I'm not sure about. I suspect she had at least one error, but who knows?

    I actually think Lisa Ervin should have won the LP that year.

    I don't understand why there seems to be zilch info about Tonya at this event. Although the USFSA magazine never had a write-up about her performance there, surely some skating publication, whether in English or Swahili ;), made reference to how she skated. Or surely some zealous skating fan out there took a few notes. I think someone told me once that Tonya's programs (or at least one of them) weren't televised on Japanese TV. But perhaps they were televised on European or Canadian TV. Anyway, it's so bizarre how nobody seems to know anything about this event. :(

    Was there a sixth international back then too, in Russia? I can't remember. But I do remember that the pro-am was not televised in my area (we got golf or something instead), so I've yet to see it. :)

    Did anybody see her land any triple axels in the practices, I wonder? I agree that she probably wasn't sufficiently trained.

    That's an interesting question. And I don't know how Kwiatkowski would've been received at '95 Worlds as U.S. champion. She might have been jittery too, because that would have been a lot of pressure for her to carry.

    Looking back, even though Tonya didn't really fulfill her potential, I think it's amazing that she achieved as much as she did, given her abject background. I can't think of a single Olympic champion who, if raised in Tonya's home, I think would still have become Olympic champion.
  13. essence_of_soy

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    I think what frustrates me about Tonya's performance at the 92 Olympic Trials, was that with her 3rd place result, the media labelled her lazy and untrained.

    In fact, during the practices I saw, she was hitting everything. It is just unfortunate that she landed a triple axel quite badly on the day of the short and hurt her ankle. After that, I was actually amazed she didn't withdraw because she was in quite a bit of pain for the remainder of that session.

    If Tonya had skated in Albertville the way she did at Skate America '91, I have no doubt she would have been the Olympic champion. It was the ladies' free program of the season.
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    At Albertville, Tonya would not work even with Dody and the team leaders urging her to do so. She spent much of her practice time standing around and speaking with the press. When it came time to skate no one was surprised at her performance.
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    There's a youtube vid of her doing a beautiful triple axel in the warm up for the sp, so she definitely looked ready for that event.

    eta: Morry, can you fill in any gaps on 93 NHK?
  16. Marco

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    She fell on her riskiest element in both the sp and the lp, but she still landed 5 triples in her lp (even if shakily) and deserved the bronze more than Kerrigan IMO :shuffle:
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    Definitely. I can't rewatch the 1992 Olympics without thinking how held up Kerrigan was. In the LP, Harding should have definitely placed ahead of her considering the content of their routines.

    I guess Kerrigan is a type of skater who you just had to appreciate during the time period because her skating does not hold up well at all. Wooden, stiff, choppy choreography, bad music cuts, and pageant-lite (dresses that nothing to do with the routines and tacked on pearly white smile and a bun that no more fitted Kerrigan's personality than some of the tacky costumes fitted on Tonya's out-of-shape body).
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    About a year ago this event was covered in good detail when someone else had the same questions about Harding there.

    Harding had a disappointing Sp falling out of her 3lt combo and then for the next 10 seconds or so kept looking down at her skate blade thinking something was wrong with it. She continued on and finished the program. She might have had an error on a spin as well, can't remember all the details. She placed 7th which put her in the first group for the LP. She skated first in the LP and actually skated well landing, I think, 5 triples with, I think, only 1 combination (3t/2t maybe?). Judges trashed her giving her 4.7/48's pretty much across the board. The marks were shocking considering Harding was a former worlds silver medalist and that she had landed 5 triples. In a bad event her marks held up for 4th in the LP and 4th overall.
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    The 92 Olympics was a case where any of Kristi, Tonya, or Midori would have won with even close to their best performances. Kristi ended up winning by skating the least bad of the 3. Heck even Nancy might have won with her Lillehammer performance. It was such a huge dissapointment with all the expectations of how well Tonya, Midori, and Kristi, could all skate, and the overall depth of the field, it could have been the greatest ladies event in history had everyone delivered.

    I agree Tonya would have killed it and won easily with her Skate America performances given how the others all skated. I think she would have even been placed 3rd in the SP with the fall on the double axel since she did land a triple axel combo, I cant imagine how they would have placed her below Midori falling on a triple lutz and having no combo in this case; nor below Bonaly's so so skate.
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    Thanks for the info. It is a shame those type of events were never covered more back then. Didnt Chen and Bonaly both fall in the short and place 4th and 3rd in that phase though? I heard none of the favorites skated well at that event.
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    Thanks so much for the valuable info, CaptCrunch! :respec: I wonder where it originally came from? (And don't say the stork brought it. :lol:) AFAIK, this is the first time I've ever seen details about Tonya's skate there.

    That is shocking, but then again in a way, maybe not, considering how political the judging is. At that point, I suspect Tonya realized she'd need some "help" in order to do well at the Olympics. :EVILLE:

    I think Tonya's victory at SA was one of the worst things to happen to her, because it seems she became overconfident afterward. Unfortunately, she saved the best for first. :wall:

    Those events were usually covered pretty well in the USFSA magazine, but the details were normally published about two months after the event, meaning that they should have appeared in the February '94 issue of Skating. But maybe with all the hoopla surrounding The Whack, NHK just got lost in the shuffle.

    I don't know whether Chen and Bonaly fell in the SP, but if so, then I think one could make a case for Tonya winning the event. From the account, it seems that she skated as well as Nancy had at Piruetten a month earlier. So, for similar performances, Nancy again got all the glory, and Tonya got...well...4th place. :p
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    I suspect that Kristi's victory in Albertville wasn't ultimately that satisfying to her, because 1) she didn't skate her best and 2) her opponents didn't come close to skating their best. By contrast, I would think that Tara's victory in Nagano was hugely satisfying (even though Tara didn't get the greatest attention from the press and skating fans), because 1) she couldn't have skated better and 2) Michelle wasn't that far from her best. I personally think a great performance that doesn't win is worth more than just a "pretty good" performance that results in victory.
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    I think Tara's victory is the most satisfying of anyone the last 3 decades outside of Yu Na Kim. Looking at the others:

    1980 Poetzsch- win was tainted some by the U.S media's negative coverage of it, and she clearly didnt skate her best. Won due to figures lead, 4th in short and 3rd in long programs.

    1984 Witt- barely won with just a pretty good performance, not her best. Mostly since Sumners popped a bunch of jumps that night.

    1988 Witt- was outshone by Manley and Ito in the LP (even though judges still placed her over Ito in the LP), controversial winner of the SP. Didnt skate her best, and won only by the 3 program format by being the most consistent.

    1992 Yamaguchi- well you covered that.

    1994 Baiul- controversial win with limited technical content and some obvious mistakes that night. Not even close to her best performance really.

    2002 Hughes- did have the competition of her life unlike the others I am mentioning, but only won through the favorites skating very subpar. Even in victory the judges scores and ordinals was just a reminder that she does not ever really control her own destiny on her own, which to a top skater is always a bit frusterating.

    2006 Arakawa- didnt skate her best and main rivals fell.

    I would say Kristi's in a way was probably the least satisfying win perhaps though. Poetzsch, Baiul, Hughes, and Arakawa were just thrilled to win at all. Witt in 84 still won with sort of a clean performance and it was her long awaited first global title over the newest American Ice Princess after losing the last 2 Worlds to U.S skaters. Witt in 88 was probably feeling a bit subdued with how things panned out in a sense but it was the historic 2nd gold. Kristi probably thought she was coming back to win in 94, especialy if she didnt win that night, and probably expected she would have to skate like she did at U.S Nationals to have a chance of winning over the super field that year. I am sure she was still thrilled to win but how it all played out, and having one of her worst performances of her whole skating prime and still winning easily probably left her almost a bit dazed and confused, not probably the way she ever imagined winning her Olympic Gold.
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  24. judgejudy27

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    Yeah she was so great there she might have felt like she was on a cloud and unbeatable. Basically thinking I won U.S Nationals killing Kristi who would win Worlds, I would have won Worlds if I didnt lose my concentration on that triple toe combo, and now I fixed the concentration thing from Worlds and killed Kristi again. She may have been so confident she figured she could ease up on training and still be in that unbeatable mode.

    I wish I could see that event on tape. However when skaters the judges have always been cool towards (Chen and Bonaly) are now being held up before you, that is a pretty troubling sign to how TPTB are now perceiving you.
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    Didn't that usually happen with the first skater in the LP under 6.0?

    I remember something about a "base mark" being established for the first skater and the judges marks being adjusted to that and they usually wind up being consistently in the 4 range across the board?
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    On the other hand it meant Yamaguchi was the only one who withstood the pressure and performed well enough in both programs. Kerrigan and Bonaly bombed the lp after nailing the sp, and Ito and Harding only skated strong in the lp after falling in the lp. It's a different type of satisfying because she was the reigning world champion then and she did what she was expected to do (win).

    Lipinski's victory was definitely satisfying because she beat Kwan against all odds (momentum, sentiment etc) but then she was the slight underdog between her and Kwan as co-favorites and Kwan beat her both times they met that season.
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    I do have a copy of most of the NHK TV coverage of 1993 NHK and I just watched the SPs. They showed Chen, Sato, Koiwai, and Bonaly. Yes, Bonaly and Chen both fell on their 3Lz and didn't do combinations. Sato did 3Lz-2T with a double three in between. Koiwai skated clean with 3Lo combo. Sato was strongest all around.

    I have no idea how Harding actually skated in either program. Or the other skaters who weren't shown.

    Here are the results for each program.

    That doesn't really answer any questions, except my question about who was the Ukrainian lady who was 2nd after the SP. Not knowing Japanese, all I could from the broadcast was that it was a Ukrainian skater, but I couldn't make out the name as it was spoken or as it was written in Japanese characters. Didn't sound like "Ivanova" but I guess that is what they said. Anyway based on her Olympic programs she also had a 3Lz at that time, so I'm guessing that she also landed her jumps successfully.
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    I do think Yu-Na Kim's victory must have been very satisfying to her, but is there any particular reason you think it would have been more satisfying than Tara's? After all, Asada didn't really skate her best, so there wasn't that much suspense.

    Plus she seems to have had a non-existent pro career. All your other assessments made sense too.

    I could see that. And as Dick said concerning Evan, what he'll probably remember the most in the future is his clean performance. So that part would have to be disappointing to Kristi as well.

    Yes, Tonya probably would have won Worlds if she hadn't missed that combo. In fact, I wonder why she didn't win the SP, where the first mark was the tiebreaker? Was she less than stellar on some of the elements?

    That's what I think. And even before 1991 Worlds, apparently she took a week off training, against her coach's advice. So becoming overconfident seemed to be a weakness of hers, even though, in an interview later that fall, she cited overconfidence as a potential pitfall if she had attended Lalique and won there.

    Maybe once gkelly uploads it to YouTube. ;)

    That's for sure.

    Well, Tonya's marks were definitely pretty base. ;)

    My original comment was in reference to another comment made by a well-known skater (can't remember exactly who it was) that, for a victory to be truly satisfying, you want to skate your very best on a night when your opponents also skated their very best. But certainly in other ways I'm sure Kristi got satisfaction from her victory, as you mentioned.

    That's bizarre that Koiwai too ended up behind both Bonaly and Chen.

    That's weird they never showed Ivanova. Also, I wonder whether the comments about Tonya's performances were observed in person or from TV. Somehow, I suspect if this competition had been in the U.S., Tonya would have gotten much better marks.
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    She was the favorite and won by skating her absolute best under that pressure. That is a very rare thing. Tara also had alot of pressure on her but not the pressure of being the favorite.

    Asada did skate her best in the SP and Kim had to follow directly after and still rocked it. Then in the LP Kim skated before Asada so had no idea Asada would miss anything. She had to skate so well to leave nothing to chance
    and that is what she did.

    I think Kristi was always overscored in the short program compared to Tonya and I dont know why. I have no idea how she beat Tonya in the short program of the 89 and 1990 Nationals either, especialy since Kristi didnt even have much artistry yet (her later perceived edge) and she certainly didnt have stronger elements.

    At the 91 Worlds though Tonya skated really early. It was pretty amazing she was able to pull the marks she did skating so early in such a strong field that year. Kristi lucked out and skated near the end after anyone remotedly important, so with that draw it was a virtual certainty she would beat Tonya in the short if both went clean. I think if they skated in the same flight Tonya might have come out ahead.

    Was she invited to Lalique? I dont remember, but if she was and that was her official reason for not going who knows if it was the truthful one or not. She had alot on her plate as far as her personal life, her marriage was really in shambles at various times that year, she had injuries and wasnt always as well trained as she was at Skate America, etc....It may well be she didnt feel in right shape or point in time to want to face Yamaguchi and Ito, despite how well she had skated at Skate America not that far earlier.


    It doesnt surprise me at all. Koiwai doing only a triple loop combo and just being out of juniors, I would be surprised if the judges would have actually placed her over Bonaly and Chen with just a missed combo jump. Whether they should have is another matter, but I certainly wouldnt expect them to actually have.

    Chen's short program that year was also beautiful that year. Bonaly's short program was very good for her style of skating and disguised alot of her flaws. Koiwai was a clunky looking skater but showed alot of potential. She basically dissapeared for good though after Rena Inoue bumped her off the 94 Japanese Olympic team.
  31. DORISPULASKI

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    Tonya's 1991 Worlds SP was on youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDoKaGSM1E

    She received a standing O, but skating in the first flight is not good for the marks in 6.0.
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    Aww, Tonya was so good in her '91 Worlds SP!

    Whoa! Alexei Tikhonov skated for Japan at that competition! Shen and Zhao may be the only pair there to have stayed together throughout! And another competitor there went on to be in porn!
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    I always liked that SP of Tonya's. Yamaguchi's SP was good too. I think what put Kristi over Tonya there wasn't just that Tonya skated early. Yamaguchi had much more polish than Tonya. Tonya was always a raw energy skater, but finesse was never part of her package.

    Who was the competitor that went into porn?
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    I think the starting order was the difference in the placements between Yamaguchi and Harding. Harding skated 3rd out of 37 and Yamaguchi skated dead last. I too thought Harding should have won the SP that day. Close call though.

    FWIW, Shen/Zhao did not compete at 91 worlds. Their first worlds was 94.
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    I think in that particular World Championships (1991), I suspect the judges pretty much short-listed those ladies who they knew were going for 3 lutz combinations in the original program and were ready to give them high marks if they were clean regardless of the order of skate. Anyone outside of Ito, Bonaly, Yamaguchi, Harding that would have fit in this category? (perhaps Chen and Kiellmann)
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    Kiellmann was doing a triple lutz combo and I think she skated cleanly, and of course she was in her home country, and was still placed below Worlds newbie Kerrigan with a double toe-triple toe combo. In her case I dont think it matters much just since she is Kiellmann. Chen was only 14 years old so I suspect it mattered even less what she was doing.
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    That's true, but this was a technical program. The most important thing is doing the elements well, not polish. And I think Tonya's elements were enough better than Kristi's to make up for the difference in polish.

    I think there were several reasons Kristi was placed ahead of Tonya:

    1) Skating order
    2) Reputation (this was Kristi's 3rd Worlds, but only Tonya's 1st)
    3) Ladylikeness, packaging, and polish ("good girls" and ladylike skaters
    always seems to be preferred in the staid world of women's figure skating)
    4) Looks and build (I doubt judges consciously thought about this, but unconsciously it probably played a role; being petite is usually considered more "ladylike" too)
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    Actually I always wanted to know what happened at 93 NHK. It was referenced in the Tonya/Nancy TV movie but there are no videos of the event anywhere online, nor are there any competition reports. I can't believe that Harding skated totally clean and only placed 7th considering she made two errors at the Olympics a few months later and came in 10th, unless 6 other skaters were squeaky clean at NHK.[/QUOTE]

    Tonya did not want to skate NHK for reasons not expleained at the time. She tried to get a bye to Nationals out of Pacific Coast Sectionals. This was part of the "bullet in the back" farce during Pacific Coast Sectionals.
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    That's true.

    But when you're the "it" girl, you get special bonuses. ;)

    At least none of this affected the final result.

    Yes.

    She said that basically she wanted to go to the Olympics "fresh." If she went to Lalique and had a very bad skate, that might carry over. Similarly, if she went and rocked everything, she might get overconfident. All of that does make sense.

    That's plausible too.

    It seems that '94 was the year for "bumping." ;)
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    But why would Kielmann be placed below Nancy Kerrigan, who wasn't very well known at that point? Incidentally, I think '91 Worlds was the last time that Tonya finished ahead of Nancy in competition.

    Yeah, at that point in her career, she could've just sat on the ice and colored it with crayons, and her scores probably wouldn't have been much different. :)
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