Tomas to train overseas in summer

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  1. deedeelocks

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    http://sport.idnes.cz/budu-se-pripr...e-p92-/sporty.asp?c=A100512_141522_sporty_fil

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    Tomas to train overseas in summer

    "It's time to try something new" he said to himself. The olympic season wasn't exactly succesfull for Tomas and that prompted him to some radical changes.The European Champion of 2008 decided to atleast temporarily cancel the cooperation with trainers Vlasta Koprivova and Michael Huth.

    Instead of going to Oberstdorf to prepare himself for the upcoming season, Tomas decided to have a look overseas.

    "I decided, that I want to try out the system of training they use overseas. I don't know if this will be good or bad for me, that's why I first want to try it. I will go to a couple of places and try it out" said Verner

    The main difference will be that he won't have a trainer all to himself. Untill now he always had 100% attention from the trainer.

    "Canadian/American attitude is that there is a trainer, but just supervise and make appropriate cofrrection when they see a problem. For the rest the girls and the boys just skate and focus by themselves." said the 23 year old figure skater about the difference between Europe and the USA.

    His trainers Mrs. Koprivova and Mr. Huth are at peace with his decision. "They understand me and we didn't part in a bad way. With Mrs Koprivova I anyway still work together. I will be on ice with her in May and June and then I will fly away" said Tomas.

    However he does not know yet if he will stay there or return to his trainers here in Europe.

    "I don't know if I will like it overseas or not. When I will like it there, I will stay there. If not, I will come back here and train with my old team. " said Tomas

    He will come back from training in the US and Canada at the beginning of september. The exact program now is that he will try out in Toronto, New Jersey and Detroit.

    "I will be at every location for about a week or 10 days. I want to try out everything, so I can see even off the ice, how everything works." said Verner, who at one point even train with legendary coach Brian Orser, coach of Olympic gold medalist Yu-na Kim.

    Verner also decided to work on the psychological aspect, which failed him already a couple of times.

    "I am taking more extreme steps than I ever did. I didn't wanna tell everyone about it though untill now. I started to work with a person now who doesn't really have the classical approach to this problem" said Tomas.

    The new method will involve training, not sitting, or so he heard. "We will see what it will bring me. I still have a month and a half and I have really high expectations of this" Said Tomas. His new psychologist otherwise devotes his time to boxers and wrestlers.

    In summer tomas will work on his new programs. "I want to enter the new season with a new SP and LP. I don't want to keep anything for last season and it will be like a whole new beginning." said Tomas.
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  2. Lizziebeth

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    I really enjoy his skating and hope he finds a new situation that helps him. He has so much talent, and I hope he can overcome his problems with inconsistency.
  3. snoopysnake

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    Come to Boston, Tomas!
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    Thank you, deedeelocks!
  5. MR-FAN

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    read: He's not retiring. Ergo:

    WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheer2:
  6. Nekatiivi

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    Go Tomas! :cheer2:

    He is really sweet guy, I hope he can find success again in his career.
  7. dinakt

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    YAY TOMAS!!! I hope he likes "overseas"! I hope it all comes together for him!!! Am very happy he opted for change. I enjoy his skating a great deal- looking forward to the future.
  8. senorita

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    that is great news!!!:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
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    Great to see he's addressing the mental aspect and got an experienced sport psychologist.

    Him trying out different NA coaches should be turned into a reality tv show. :D
  10. museksk8r

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    Ooohhh, he mentioned trying Detroit . . . imagines Jeremy Abbott and Tomas Verner in the same training rink and books a ticket to the motor city STAT! ;):swoon: I would LOVE for both Jeremy and Tomas to finally realize their enormous talents at the World Championships. Abbott & Verner for the World podium!!! :cheer2:
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    Woah, looks like Orser picked up everybody from FOI. Who's next? Kiira Korpi? :lol:

    Thanks deedeelocks for the news. I'm excited to see a revitalized Tomas! :cheer:
  12. ChibiChibi

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    Awww I would love to be there, too!! Plus, Daisuke announced that his LP next season would be choreographed again by Camelengo. There is a chance that Daisuke, Jeremy, and Tomas in the same rink at the same time!!! :smokin:
  13. Marco

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    Hmm I am so glad he is getting away from Huth.

    Barkell and Orser would be good choices as permanent coaches for him I think. Maybe even Sato?
  14. Aussie Willy

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    I have been out of the loop but does this mean he has left Huth? If so great decision.
  15. screech

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    I had to snicker at "legendary coach Brian Orser" - he's only been coaching for a couple of years and he's already legendary?

    But I'm glad Tomas is trying new things. And I like that he's saying that he doesn't know if it will work out or not, but he's willing to try it out. Really, it's the start of a new quadrennial, so the best time to try things out, and after last season, really, what does he have to lose?
  16. Dr.Siouxs

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    thank god he's getting away from Huth :yikes:
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    :)I'm really looking forward to this. I've never really been able to warm to Tomas... and I've often felt quite guilty about it , because his quality is plain to see. But I seldom like his programs , or his costumes. Put that together with his lack of confidence ( or whatever) and I always wind up thinking of him as a "might have been ". Wherever he settles ,I really hope this can work out for him.
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  18. igniculus

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    Thank you for posting, DeeDee! :cheer2: Yay for Tomas sticking to skating and not retiring!
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    I´m glad that Tomas has not given up skating and is trying to find new systems. Actually I hoped that he would have done that earlier, but better late than never... Somehow his win of the European title confused his head and he became more inconsistent after that. I sure hope that his problems will be fixed now...
  20. Finnice

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    What a great news!:cheer::40beers::cheer:
    Very good that he seeks help for a sports psychologist plus new coach(es)! When he is on, he is among the best of the world and has all the potential to win the Worlds.
    Go, Tommy!
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  21. mia joy

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    Go for it, Tomas!!!

    I'm sure he can be great again one day. He has it all somewhere inside him, so the only thing to do is just to get it back and be a rockstar again ;) I wouldn't mind him winning the Euros once again... and then again... and again... :p
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    Wonder if he's going to continue choreography with Lori Nichol. New choreography from David Wilson or Kurt Browning could be amaaazing...
  23. dinakt

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    Yes, to see the World podium with Abbott, Verner and... let's say Takahashi again... for one day Harmony in the World will be restored. And then to see Lambiel be a special guest at the Exhibition.
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    I saw Tomas in practice at Worlds a couple of years ago. He was amazing. We were all sure that he would land on the podium based on what we saw in practice. Something went missing between the practice sessions and competition. It was very sad and I hope he can figure it out becuase he has so much talent.
    Mostly I am glad he's not quitting so hopefully he will get it together! He surely has the ability.
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    Go Tomas
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  26. ninadel

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    I wonder if Jeremy and Tomas do/would get along? They both seem to be jokesters with similar personalities (also: hyperactive kiss + cry antics), but I've never heard them mention each other... although they've stood on the same podium. Detroit sounds like a fun training environment, from what I've gleaned on the internets at least.
  27. kimkom

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    I agree. It's a perfect time to take a risk like this, and the change alone may give him a whole new perspective on his career.

    I have a good feeling about this move! :cheer2:
  28. Jaana

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    Although he was great in those World practices, maybe in his every day training he just does not do enough complete run-throughs of his programmes? In competitions as one is bound to be nervous, one can kind of rely on the muscle memory from those countless run-throughs.
  29. bek

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    I'm not sure how this is a risk for him at this point. Something was clearly not working in his training evironment (whatever it was). And he's now no longer even Czech's no 1 skater. He'd be a fool if he stayed. Of course Tomas is extremely talented and I hope a change will do him some good.
  30. deedeelocks

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    he did them, nearly every day, since 2008 worlds...
    last year he just had the problem of never really being fit...
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    He has lots to give. :cheer:
  32. mia joy

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    And that breaks my heart as well, cause (when fit) he has so much more on-ice personality and better interaction with the audience than Brezina, not to mention the quads. I really hope he can reclaim that title one day, though I know it will be hard considering Michal's improvement.
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    Wasn't he ill for a good part of last season?
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    Yes, he had the flu in the fall, so realisitically it was likely H1N1, it started around Skate America where he looked so tired and sick and he was still under the weather at the GPF where he had moments of brilliance but bombed overall. He appeared to have lost a lot of weight and I think having Brezina beat him at nationals and Euros messed with his confidence and the combination was just not good.

    So happy for him though, I really think this is a good decision and that he will be able to work out his issues. He is soo talented it's a shame to see him struggle. I would love to see both Tomas and Michal medal at Worlds next year and make their home country proud. Good luck Tomas!:)
  35. bek

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    By all accounts though Brezina has the quad toe and quad sal, and I read he's planning on adding quads to his programs next season. I also think Brezina has the capablity potential to be a good performer. He tries to relate to the audience etc, its the choregraphy that's an issue (for me) Perhaps Tomas being challenged this way, is what is causing him to make the changes he desperately needs to make. But I wouldn't be surprised if Brezina continues to rise in the ranks.

    Honestly though maybe just maybe another one of his countrymen becoming very successful was the kick in the butt Tomas needed to make some changes.
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  36. deedeelocks

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    Well... :p From what I heard he was tested for H1N1 after SA (where IIRC he skated with a 39C fever) and it wasn't that. Anyway, after SA he was in bed for 5 days and then he did decide to do GPF and Cze nationals. He never really had time to properly recover.
    Besides that he had another kind of flu over christmas and lost 3 kilo....he only started training again about 1.5 weeks before Europeans.

    Actually last april he told me he was going to the hospital again, to find out why he had been so weak/sick all season long. I don't know what came out of that however...
  37. mia joy

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    Really? Wow. If he does have some strong quads in his programs, he'll be very successful, as his style obviously wins the judges (me not so much). But, hey, I say go for it, Michal. We really need some strong quad quys with good components these days. I'd prefer Tomas to be that guy, though.
    Anyway, I would really love to see those two compete against each other when they're both fit and do their best. That could be really fascinating.
  38. bek

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    I think Brezina's choregraphy will improve in time though. He mentioned in an interview that right now he can't afford to work with the best choregraphers (In North America) but I suspect once he starts earning more money that the choregraphy will improve.

    Tomas is great, but I'm not sure he'll ever be a great competitor. It would be wonderful though to see him pull a Buttle because he's a great skater.
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    Tomas can't pull a Buttle. Buttle managed to win without a quad, but if Tomas wins, it will be very likely with the quad. ;)
  40. screech

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    Thinking of Buttle, I kind of think he'd be a good choreographer choice for Tomas, and if Tomas is already going to be in Toronto...