Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by ilovepaydays, Oct 14, 2012.
I never thought Battlestar Galactica jumped the shark. Quality show from start to finish.
How about The Waltons when John Boy left? I mean, he was the narrator and lead for heaven's sake. And wasn't Mary Ellen quite the trainwreck. She gets pregnant, then decides to marry a doctor, then he dies in the war, then she decides to go to med school, and the baby was forgotten. And god, we're talking about LHOP and all those kids. I don't believe John or Olivia Walton ever knew exactly how many kids they had. I sure didn't.
I agree with whoever mentioned Ghost Sex on Grey's Anatomy. The linked article about Cordelia Chase was interesting - someone should write an essay about The Assassination of Izzy Stevens, because that character started great and between Ghost Sex and Gizzy, was rendered so awful that I cheered when she got cancer...and then that she didn't get killed off
I adore M*A*S*H, but it did get awfully preachy in the last season or so. And it was never quite the same after Radar left. Still, I have to agree that it never QUITE made it over that shark. And the series finale was a gem.
Just to clarify, Mary Ellen got married first, then got pregnant, and the baby grows into a toddler and is around for a lot of episodes throughout the rest of the series. (I've spent a lot of time at my parents' lately .. they're big fans so I've had to watch the whole series again). And just to put your mind at ease .. 7 kids .
I definitely prefer the Waltons to LHOP. Less preachy imo and no Michael Landon. Although I agree that it was a very different show after JB left.
This! All my favorite episodes are Ross centric ones. My favorites being the one where he tries to charm Greg Kinnear for that grant, the one where he tried to bribe ugly naked guy for his apartment, the one where he buys a couch for his building without an elevator and the one where Bruce Willis plays his girlfriend's father.
Best Ross ep IMO was the one with the leather pants - his hysterics in a date's bathroom still have me at the thought. "Now the lotion and baby powder have formed some sort of paste!!"
The Waltons used to drive my grandpa berserk. He grew up in a big family during the Depression, and he would complain that they were getting it all wrong. (The Waltons were fabulously wealthy compared to his family, for one thing!)
That's tv for you!
Monica and Phoebe were ruined in the latter years of Friends imo. Monica's worst traits (the competitiveness and shrillness) were exaggerated to a ridiculous degree. She was no longer a character, but a collection of quirks. Phoebe just got really mean imo. Her treatment of Chandler went beyond just busting his chops. Rachel wasn't always nice to Chandler, but it never felt malicious like with the later years Phoebe.
Joey was almost headed in that territory too. There were times when his dimness were getting to be a bit much, but I think the writers ended up reigning that in.
Young and the Restless - I never forgave the writers for making Billy & Mac related so I stopped watching. Then in a few years, they weren't related? What?! Stop playing with my mind!
Friends - agreed, they never had a JTS moment, really. Love every episode. PIVOT is legendary, but my favorite friend, by far, is Chandler. Everything he says kills me.
I have never rewatched the MASH finale because I'm afraid it will diminish my memory of just how amazing it was.
And in my perspective, Friends jumped the shark 1) when Phoebe stopped singing at the coffeehouse and 2) Rachel got promoted from an assistant to an executive overnight.
OMG, just thinking about that episode cracks me up, LOL
I agree that Friends had a few possible JTS moments but I don't think it ever went completely over it. I loved that show pretty much from start to finish and still watch the reruns when I'm home.
I still when I read a book in which a character is wearing leather pants and this is supposed to be all sexy and masculine. All I can think of is Ross' battle with his pants in the bathroom.
I do think that the quality of that show declined sharply in the final few seasons; the cast was still good, but the material they were given wasn't as strong. I'm not sure there's a single JTS moment, though.
There was also the Aussie guy - they kept switching up who he really is, not sure where they landed but I'm sure they're not done with him either. But the final straw for me was when they made Jill Katherine's daughter, and then a couple of years later undid that storyline too. They are two of the original characters with the longest storylines, and they basically rewrote history to make that work, then rewrote it again when a new set of writers came in.
Does anyone remember The Nanny?
I think their JTS moment was pretty clear - Fran & Mr. Sheffield hooking up in the second-to-last season (I think that was the time frame)
To me, it was when "he took back the thing."
Amen, to that; and to the comments about MASH.
to quote 30 Rock "but it was a tent pole. A TENT POLE."
I actually stopped watching about a season and a half before that, by which time they had changed Brennan's character so much, by exaggerating some of her traits, that she became either a Vulcan, or borderline autistic, in a way which would mean she shouldn't actually be able to function in normal society, let along write best selling novels. It strained my credulity beyond reasonable belief.
LOL. I never watched this on its first run, but have got really into it on repeats, even though some of the plots are ridiculous. I missed a few episodes a couple of weeks back and never did find out how the police officer who was crippled with a bullet in his back miraculously recovered. One day he was in a wheelchair, and then a few episodes later he was not only walking but snogging his sergeant. Then he inexplicably decided to let someone die and went to prison for manslaughter. And now you tell me I have the police station blowing up to look forward to (reminds me of The Bill - Sun Hill Police Station was blown up about three times over the course of the series, if I remember correctly).
^This! I loved the 'Little House' books and thought the TV series was a huge lost opportunity. I always thought the opening should say "Based on names in the books by Laura Ingalls Wilder".
Maybe not, but I would love to have seen a show based more faithfully on the books, or even Laura's real life.
I was wondering how long it would be before someone mentioned 'House'! For me, its Jump the Shark moment was when House and Cuddy got together. I would have said it was when the original team left, but there were still some pretty good eps after that, in particular the one where Amber died.
Anyway, I'll throw another Aussie show into the mix - A Country Practice. Never the same after Molly died.
I also mentioned The Bill above. That would also be when they turned it into a soap opera. It stopped being about police work, and everyone started having love triangles. I gave up well before the end.
I never understood why they had to ruin so many of the characters. At least they portrayed Jess more positively later on, but he was the only one who turns out better in the end than he was in the beginning. The moment when the show really went downhill, IMO, was when Chris became an unbearable jerk and then they finally decided to have him be with Lorelai long term (well, somewhat long term). The finale was decent, but the rest of the last season is disappointing.
Oh my goodness, I remember bawling my eyes out at that when I was only a kid! And poor Bob crying over his little mate...sob!
My younger sister and I were discussing this thread last night and went back to our childhood to find some jump the shark moments...
All Saints - IMO it jumped when they went to the emergency room.
Animals of Farthing Wood - JTS when the kid foxes grew up. Especially Bold (I think) and then somehow it became all about Bold's son.
Dragonball Z - I think the JTS was actually the GT series. By then it had well and truly worn out pretty much everything and they mutilated some of the characters. I wasn't a fan of the whole "Gohan goes to high school" arc either. He was supposed to be super-smart and he was such a moron.
I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but Weeds jumped the shark at some point after the second season. I quit watching as it got ridiculous.
As much as I love Battlestar Galactica (the new one), it JTS when they brought Starbuck back from the dead and made her some sort of nebulous life force .
I'm in the minority here, but MASH JTS after Radar left and Alan Alda decided to use the show as his personal soapbox.
I agree that was annoying in the extreme.
I just don't think the premise for Weeds was all that sustainable. Sure, it's still on the air after several years, but it got more and more zany. The idea that she was a well-off widowed housewife that wanted to keep her standard of living by selling pot worked for that first season and they really should have left it at that and called it a miniseries. Nancy the gangsta kingpin is ridiculous. Her and her kids and sociopaths, no one on that show is likeable.
Bad Girls and Footballers Wives. Same writers who had the ability to completely forget what happened the year before. You'd start with a new season only to discover prisoners or wives are no longer on the show anymore. Still I loved both. Meanwhile Heartbeat which I also love would just be stuck in the 1960s permanently and wouldn't progress.
Mcleods Daughters is possibly the worst one next to Roseanne. Those Mcleods just grew and grew meanwhile the two original sisters left (one died the other departed) and the third sister who became a sister in season four was always awful also left the show so it became the Mcleod neices that ran the farm.
Oh, I totally disagree. I always hated Starbuck I think she improved in Season 3, though I do agree that she should have just stayed dead. One main character miraculously not dying in the series was enough. But I really loved Season 4. The Mutiny Arc in particular consists of my favorite two episodes of the whole series, and that's saying something. The finale wasn't perfect, but nothing before it was JTS worthy, IMO, because I don't think the series decreased in quality.
Friday Night Lights after season 2. Coach leaves town for another job? Tammy as Principal? Really? Riggins as a Senior in year one and then still a Senior 3 years later? Season 4 was bad and #5 was pretty unwatchable.
Flipping channels this morning, and I just came on here to say the same thing and saw your post. "April" is now on Switched at Birth. All grown up (sort of). I recognized the second I heard her whiny voice.
I gave up on LHOTP when Mary and Adam got married and they were teachers. I have a "true" Little House book. Mary came home from college, lived with Ma and Pa, pa died and then Ma almost 20 years later. Mary lived with Carrie and her husband until she (Mary) died in her early 60's. I know - that wouldn't have made for interesting television.
Sorry, but how can you call something that they were building toward for the entire preceeding 6 seasons a "Jump the Shark" moment? By definition, a JTS is an absurd plot point, basically an act of deperation by the writers/producers. I agree that seasons 7 and 8 were not the same high quality of the previous years, but Huddy was no JTS. I'm not sure there was an actual JTS in House, just the inevitable decline in quality that comes with almost any show that tries to sustain itself over more than 7 seasons -- but if anything was JTS in House it would have to be House crashing his car into Cuddy's, um, house.
Is she still whining? I thought maybe she'd outgrow that!
Uh, no! The episode I flipped to this morning was when Lorelai and Chris first started dating, April was going to stay with Luke and Rory met those weird girls at an art show. (The worst season ever!) I won't be watching the reruns again till they start over at the beginning.
By the way Wyliefan, Paul and I share a birthday, October 28 (this Sunday). Cool, huh?
So basically any time they add a some new kid to a family show whose children have all grown up or a menopausal woman has twins!!!!! Lots of shows, like ER (and that episode with Carol going to Doug in Seattle was one of my absolute faves - sorry!!!!!), bring in new characters to interact with the old characters after shows have been on awhile and actors need to move on. Some work, some don't (Happy Days).
And I don't think That 70's Show can be classified as JTS. When "Eric" and "Kelso" both left because the actors had outgrown their roles, that was supposed to be the last season. But they got it renewed for one more season for the fans (which didn't really work without Eric and Kelso!). I've seen all the reruns except the last season at least 20 times - the two Halloween episodes were on today.
Lucky!! Hope you have a happy one!
Many of us aren't using the definition so literally, and are just discussing when the quality of a show went south.
I think Kimberly blowing up the apartment complex on Melrose Place was that show's jump the shark moment. The show became absurd after that and spent it's remaining seasons trying to top that moment.
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