The wonderful Ashley Wagner

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  1. martyross

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    A thread for fans and admirers of this marvelous skater who has blossomed in a real artist! I absolutely can’t wait to see her growing the programs through the season and at the same time can’t stop watching the videos from TEB. May this year be Ashley’s year!
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  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Re-posting what I posted yesterday in the U.S. Ladies thread...

    Jean-Christophe Berlot spoke with Ashley before her free skate at TEB: Bringing the drama: Wagner in a class of her own
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    LuckyCharm Well-Known Member

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    I've been meaning to start an Ashley Wagner thread since, like, 2009. I always figured somebody else would get around to it eventually. It seems that Ashley has the laziest fans in the history of skating fandom, or at least on this board. But hey, at least we won't be starting flame wars with the uberfans of her competitors. We're way too apathetic for that. But seriously, I'm so impressed with how she's grown since last season, and with how prepared she looks already this season. It reminds me of Kostner last season and Ando the season before. I think a World medal is in the cards, although I dare not hope for a gold, at least not out loud. Not yet. Can't wait for GPF and Nationals though.
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  4. dinakt

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    Indeed.
    I was never on Ashley's bandwagon. I thought- "Yet another US lady who doublefoots all her jumps". Sometimes it's nice to be wrong.
    The work she accomplished in two years is amazing. The assurity of her skating now!
    Here she is compared with Kwan. Not sure I see it yet; I see more of Rochette ( not because of music choice, but rather of style)- a very smart, very athletic skater ( they both have gorgeous athletic backs:)) who worked on whatever was lacking to create a complete skater. I admire Ashley a great deal, and am starting to believe she indeed can be on a World podium. She is so consistent these days ( knock on wood!), and so joyfully confident, she is a champion!
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    yes, please! but what I've just thought was: 'and please skating gods let her to have a good Olympics'. I remember that I was heartbroken for her in 2010 when she didn't make a team for OG. but she is one tough cookie with amazing work ethic. 3 years later and just look where she is! she deserves it so much. I admire her determination.
    :respec:
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  6. lulu

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    Her long program is fanstastic. :kickass:
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    I have been a fan since she first stepped on to the scene. She has always had the talent but my has she really blossomed over the last couple of seasons. She makes me LOVE skating in the same way Kwan did. It is incredible.
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  8. Rex

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    I did enjoy her freeskate today. She totally deserved first place.
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  9. judgejudy27

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    She always had the talent but for some reason she never quite got the breaks, had the performance at the right time, or had the right combination of things come together to get noticed. It is nice to see it finally happening for her. I hope she wins Worlds this year.
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    I've been a fan since her first senior season-she had so much spunk! Refinement was obviously needed, but you could just tell she had a great competitive fire. And she is transformed today, into the skater I always thought she was capable of being. I hope the season continues to go well for her!
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  11. smarts1

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    I always knew Ashley had all the qualities to be a champion although most people on this forum never believed in her. It was always :confused: to me that someone like Rachael Flatt held up US ladies skatings between 2008-2010. Mirai and Ashley to me always had all the qualities needed to be a champions and Ashley finally is realizing that.
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    It's lovely to be proven right, isn't it? :D I'm so glad the world is finally seeing what we longtime ubers always knew she had in her!

    Also, as the fangirls say, I'm shipping John Nicks with Ashley's skate guards. :lol: They truly are a match made in heaven.
  13. cbd1235

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    My favourite skater is Kwan, and I am not afraid to admit that; I have memorized every one of her programs at each individual competition. So yeah you can call me a crazy fan!! Kwan made me love to watch skating, I was (and am) blown away watching her same programs over and over again. I never had that same love for another skater. I always watch all skating events, so I'd seen Ashley before and I admired her attack in her long programs; something I liked about Kwan. While I admired that, I never liked her as a skater as I found her to be sloppy and unrefined, I found she rushed every element and movement, and I found that her technique was what I would call "throw yourself in the air, close your eyes, pull in and hope for the best!". AKA no consistency, something I see as a necessity for a great ladies champion.

    I went to Skate Canada International last year and as soon as I saw her long program live, I knew she would be my new favourite skater. Funny how one program changed it all for me. Her long program had the entire arena captivated, something that I would venture to say that none of the other competitors did that day. Akiko came close. Ashley attacked everything, and the refinement and sound jump technique was finally there. Ever since then, I've been what I would consider one of her biggest fans! I'm always watching her skating, over and over again. I actually bought tickets to 2013 Worlds Ladies sp and lp specifically to see her skate again. She captivates me the way Kwan always did, and it's so exciting that I've found someone who I can appreciate just as much. It's not that I'm comparing the two, or saying that they're on the same level or anything. It's just that Ashley takes me to that place where only Kwan could before.

    Basically I wish her the best, and I hope she has a long and fantastic career ahead of her. She deserves it, she's a fighter and that's a rare breed in ladies skating.
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    Ashley has impressed me since I saw her for the first time in '07. To me, she balances athleticism and artistry nicely and I just want to say that it is refreshing to see a US lady w/ attack and ambition.
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    I have found my uber home.

    I've adored Ash ever since Nationals 2010 (the first skating comp. I ever watched outside the Olympics!), where her grit and fire (and costumes!) impressed me. Her skating is lovely and she always looks beautiful on the ice! Plus, she seems like a really lovely person. I admire her and I hope she gets the mainstream recognition athletes like the Fierce Five have gotten.
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    It's funny that people are comparing her to Kwan. I always thought, and think even more now, that she has/had a similar style to Tara Lipinski.
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    I don't think she's like either of them, personally. I like all three, but I think all their styles are very different. But it would be lovely if Ashley ended up having Michelle's consistency! :)
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    Who knows...maybe in 5-10 (or more!) years, we'll be comparing other skaters to Ashley! :)
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    With her excellent showing in the current GP competitions, looks like Ashley is going to the golden girl of USA indeed. Olympic gold is certainly within her reach given the current field at this current time. USA may have found someone to take over Kwan's crown. Wishing Ashley many gold medals to come.
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    :kickass::kickass::respec::respec::smokin:

    ...is what I have to say!

    Was in the arena at TEB and had one of the best feelings you can have as an audience, which is knowing after a few seconds that she's going to nail everything and that you can just relax and enjoy the experience.
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    I've always admired Ashley's spunk, and am so thrilled for her to be experiencing this level of success. May it all continue for her! :encore:
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    I'm so glad that Ashley the "almost" girl is experiencing so much sucess! I've loved her skating for a long time, and it's so nice to see her finally break through with the amazing John Nicks by her side.
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    (Cross-posting what I've wrote in TEB thread)

    Commanding the ice and determination were the exact words reserved for Ashley in TEB. It is such a joy to watch a skater have dramatic changes and improvements but it had been long since we witnessed it happening. Ashley has become a kind of a girl that makes you want to root for. I can't wait to see what she's got to offer even furthermore till Sochi Olympics.


    Just happy:swoon:
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    Loved, loved Ashley's mature, beautiful, performance at 2012 TEB, it gave me chills (the good kind). I really appreciate this kind of a well rounded, complete and emotional performance, with extremely well done elements within one's own wheelhouse, than the often robotic or chaotic squeaked out 3/3 jumping bean kind, big flashy tricks yes, but done with no soul, a deer caught in the headlights stressed look, or any real linking choreo!

    Yes, it's great to push the sport, but sometimes I would like to rewind the clock, just because I'd rather see many clean, elegant and powerfully executed well balanced programs, performed by healthy young ladies, who show us that they love what they do; you know the kind I mean, the one's with loads of + GOE elements that are skated within one's personal capacity to deliver and skated with great confidence, sensitivity to the music, style and much grace! The one's like Ashley's commanding freeskate at TEB are now very rare indeed. They should be celebrated for capturing the best of both artistry and athletic performance. More and more I fear we will see the kind interupted by many splats, performed by hobbled and oft injured, young, wunderkind girls who are now being required to skate well beyond their own developing bodies capacity to endure such stress, or heal afterwards, as well as go to quickly beyond their own skill levels all in the quest for more and more points in order to fulfill the pressing timeline quest for Sochi glory. I can accept it better when it comes to the men, in most cases their discipline has been and usually still is mostly about delivering the big tricks, a fist pump here, or a booty shake there passing for choreo; however it's different for the ladies. The ladies event has always been more about what's beautiful in between, quality of elements and choreo that sets one apart, that is, up till now. The artistry of skating is being lost somehow, and sometimes I find that sad as much as I know skating is a competive sport, what draws me in the most about figure skating is the rare combination of pure artistry with great athletic skill...Just sayin...
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  25. martyross

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    i totally agree with Debrah, wouldn't ladies competitions be much much more enjoyable if everyone skated like Ashley is doing? and note that she is not avoiding to do a difficult content either. She includes flip and lutz, ok a flawed lutz, but still difficult. :) even more difficult, imo, is keeping the mind focused on the music, on the performance. it's like you need two brains, in this sport. she is finding the perfect balance and it's a quality that may be less spectacular than doing a triple lutz-triple toe, but it's immensely more valuable in figure skating. even though she used to be less refined than now, she has always focused on expressing the music in all of her programs and this is what i immensely appreciate in her since, yea, 2008 or something. People says she has less talent than others, but to me it's the opposite, she is so talented in the performance department, much more than the girls who are considered "superior". doing a port-de-bras with ease and grace may come easy to some skaters, but doing it in an expressive way as Ashley did in Black Swan is more difficult and requires the ability to connect the heart to the mind, the mind to the body.
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    Also, does anyone else notice that no one is talking about two-footing anymore? :D
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    She was amazing at TEB - both in the short and long
    Also, her FS dress looks amazing live - but on TV it has a weird greenish tint sometimes

    She's super nice - I got a picture with her and she took as much time as she could to give photos and autographs before she and Jeremy got ushered off by their agent or whoever it was. She's also really tiny (although she dwarfs Elizaveta and Julia) and she has such big eyes - she's like a pixie!
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    Wagner reminds me of Kwan, Lipinski, and mostly of Jill Trenary. There is a mature, determined, deliberate quality to her programs, with a strong balance between technique and artistry.

    The presentation is detailed, and created in such a way that she is able to allow the audience into her programs and still tick off the difficult tricks.
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    I get a Trenary vibe from her as well. I'm just happy that the move to Nicks is paying off. Her programs are beautiful, her on ice look is beautiful, and she's finally channeled her insane work ethic into becoming a champion skater. It's nice to see. Good job.
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    Her work ethic made me a HUGE fan. I was NOT a fan in 2010, especially when she started talking about what she wanted her Olympic experience to be and she had not even made the team yet (and didn't). But last year I gained so much respect for her. Everything was Mirai this and Mirai that and ummm...yeah. Ashley decided that if you talk the talk, you have to walk the walk. And she did it!!! You can tell she WANTS to be a champion. Her drive is so apparent. It is so nice to see after 5 years of blah-ness. US Ladies need Ashley and hopefully Mirai and others will use her as an inspiration. you either have the drive or you don't.
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  32. aftershocks

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    ^^ Oh yes, it really seems like many of the U.S. ladies are more inspired this season, and I'm extremely happy to see Ms. Ash, skating's very own Nike Woman, creating her unique brand of inspiration and leading the way!

    Thanks martyross, for starting this uber thread for Ashley. :)

    I echo what many posters have already stated re Ashley's drive and the spark of something special that many of us saw in her prior to her recent success. Last season she backed everything up (her talent, her desire, and what her fans saw in her from the beginning). And this season, she's taking her talent and desire to a new level! Ashley always had the goods but for a whole slew of reasons she missed out (e.g., others being more appreciated; faltering slightly when it mattered; not managing the nerves under pressure; wanting it too much and not knowing how to achieve the right balance between drive, desire, and steady performance; and most of all, needing to fully believe in herself and her dreams and be willing to commit and make sacrifices).

    Ashley's right about having been "almost" there but not quite making it. I give Ashley a great deal of credit and send out a happy roar of approval and tremendous admiration for the fact she did not allow heartbreak to define her. Sometimes going through the fire is necessary to hone and polish a diamond. I suppose hard times can either make or break who we are. I'm so stoked that Ashley was determined not to let go of her dreams. She found her Yoda (John Nicks) :) who guided her to uncover the pot of gold that she always possessed deep within. Ashley and Mr. Nicks make a great team, along with Philip Mills (superb choreo, music and costumes)!

    Perhaps Ashley's biggest fans have always been out there expressing approval, keeping our fingers crossed and rooting silently or sending direct vocal support to her on Twitter and Facebook. I think it usually takes a measure of success for a skater before fans might begin joining forces re a thread (and others hopping on the bandwagon out of sheer respect). In Ashley's case, I think many of her fans have been holding our breaths, just happy to enjoy and continue supporting her in various threads. I think we can exhale a bit now and enjoy the journey. Like someone said up-thread, Ashley's confident performances that she "nailed" at TEB had spark and calm, all the more amazing since she was battling a cold.

    While I think Ashley is still working on defining and discovering her identity on the ice, it is so lovely seeing her grow as an artist and as a confident athlete, right in front of our eyes. No matter what happens in the future, Ashley has already provided me with fond skating memories I will always cherish. We all have our favorites and we all have different perceptions (e.g., all those who see something of other skaters in Ashley). I believe Ashley has been inspired by Michelle Kwan (as are many skaters and countless fans), and perhaps some see in Ashley a bit of Lipinski's spunk and desire, and some of Trenary's gorgeous skating, but for me overall I think Ashley is her own creation. ITA, victoriaheidi, Debrah, and many others re your sentiments!

    As I've said before in a different venue, slightly different wording: Ashley seems prepared to perform with gallant flair, unflinching determination, and inimitable panache, come rain or come shine. ;) Bring on the swag, Ms. Ash! :encore:

    Since there have been other threads with links to articles about Ashley, and tweets and blogs by Ashley, I thought it would be nice to merge some of those links in this thread. So, I'll do that in another post. Thanks again all. I enjoyed reading your posts!
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  33. merrywidow

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    I'm enjoying her so much now that we can see how happy she is & I feel the Trenery vibe too but even more she reminds me of Jenny Kirk.
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    ^^ :) I don't really see or sense all these other skaters in Ashley that much, but maybe there are elements of different qualities you guys are perceiving. One thing about Jenny and Ashley to me is just they both came through a lot of difficulties and soul-searching but never gave up on bringing out their best to the fore (in Jenny's case much more through her writing now, but also in sparkling moments on the ice).

    Originally posted by Sylvia in another thread:
    Ashley Wagner tweeted today(11/8): My new ESPNW blog is up..I talk about Japan Open and Skate America, check it out!
    See Sylvia's post below for correct link to Ashley's blog re JO and SA

    Ashley's First ESPN blog:
    http://espn.go.com/espnw/blog/post/1985/i-get-do-love-every-day

    Originally posted by Sylvia in another thread:
    Exciting sponsor news tweeted by Ashley today (11/8):
    It's official...I'm a Nike girl!! Thanks @Nike for this incredible opportunity! #nikewomen #nikefuel #dreamcometrue

    Article link originally posted in another thread by Boston2014:
    http://www.boston2014.com/featured-skaters/ashley-wagner/#more-634

    Ashley's Official Site
    http://www.figureskatersonline.com/ashleywagner/


    USFS compilation -- Ashley Wagner, U.S. National Ladies Champion 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LidE3Kx6WM0

    U.S. Nats sp 2012 Pollock
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqLGwmQAd8M

    U.S. Nats fp 2012 Black Swan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC2uhyIiBss

    Worlds Nice fp 2012 Black Swan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXc8UO8WLTQ

    Japan Open fp 2012 Samson & Delilah
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJMDkYMfy7c

    SA sp 2012 Red Violin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SNWS0K1crY

    SA fp 2012 Samson & Delilah
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAe_DMQOTc

    TEB sp 2012 Red Violin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9mHepUw918

    TEB fp 2012 Samson & Delilah
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9s0jnZEI-g

    Ashley Wagner's Page vlogs
    http://www.youtube.com/user/ashwagner2010?feature=results_main

    'Almost Girl' No More Montage
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5jqOwifqs

    Originally posted by Sylvia in another thread:
    Ashley's cover story article from the October (digital) issue of SKATING magazine is available to be read online: http://skatingmagazineblog.com/2012/11/05/skating-magazine-october-issue/

    I was glad to see in the above article that Priscilla Hill's coaching of Ashley is highlighted. Also, the article I linked above that was originally posted by Boston2014, mentions another of Ashley's formative coaches, Shirley Hughes.

    Since Joannie has been mentioned, I'm linking Joannie's Samson & Delilah skate at 2010 Olympics:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyzkQQms3rA

    I'd forgotten that Miki Ando also skated to Samson & Delilah:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js6OblvcBMU

    What I see between Joannie and Ashley is that they share somewhat similar athletic body types and they both exude a very compelling femininity with equal parts power and grace. However, I think their personalities are very different and their interpretations of Samson & Delilah are also very different. They both used different musical versions of the score too, I believe. I think Ashley displays more fierceness and more expressive nuances, but they both exhibit a fighting spirit.
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  35. Sylvia

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    aftershocks, many of the links posted originally don't work above because you didn't copy them over in their entirety.

    October 2012 issue of Skating magazine with Ashley on the cover: http://skatingmagazineblog.com/2012/11/05/skating-magazine-october-issue/

    Ashley's first two entries in her espnW blog: http://espn.go.com/espnw/blog/category/ashley-wagner/

    ETA that Ashley made the News (not Sports) section of the Orange County (CA) Register online edition with her second GP gold in Paris: http://www.ocregister.com/news/wagner-378222-prix-grand.html
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  36. robinhood

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    Ashley is in amazing form this season and skating with a determination I don't see in any other skater.
    I wish she would show much more multi-directional skating in her free program. Although it's a very well choreographed program that highlights her strenghts it's all skated clockwise
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    Wow, really? I hadn't noticed that. Is that out of the ordinary? Do you think it was strategically planned choreography or an oversight? Does she usually skate more multi-directionally? Did she skate mostly clockwise in her sp too? Do most skaters skate more multi-directionally? None of this ever occurred to me when I was watching her skate! I would imagine you'd have to be in the arena to know for sure whether she skated her program completely clockwise or multi-directionally since the camera does cut occasionally. Did you happen to be in the arena watching?

    Ashley is definitely in great form. There was a video posted somewhere of Ashley on a local morning show demonstrating some of the exercises she does to stay fit. Maybe someone can find and post it. Also, I look forward to seeing a video posted of Ashley on this morning's Today program. Thanks in advance. :)


    Thanks so much Sylvia! Cutting and pasting links doesn't always work well for me. I went back to fix those links. They should all work now.
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  38. kwanatic

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    I couldn't have said it better myself! :)

    I've always admired Ashley's attack...all the way back in 2008. The problem was her confidence bordered on cockiness and often stepped over the line to cockiness back then. She had all of the talent but there was something missing there. I always found Ashley more entertaining than Rachael but, given that Rachael was Miss Consistency back then and Ashley was prone to mistakes, Ashley never really broke through. Even though she hadn't really had that breakthrough she carried herself as if she was just "all that and then some." At the time, when she hadn't won anything, it was annoying and I didn't really care for her attitude.

    But last year...man, she just blossomed! That move to Nicks was the best thing that ever happened to her. He just smoothed her out and toned her down. Instead of "YEAH! I'm Ashley Wagner BIATCH!" there was this subtle confidence and sureness that continued to build all season long, culminating in her showing at nationals. When I posted on my blog at the end of the GP last year I said Ashley was the one American lady who had something to prove and that she was the one to watch out for. Glad to know I was right!

    I love her confidence. I love how she performs and blends everything in so well. I'm really impressed with how she has stepped up and pulled herself up to the top. It's not like there was a lot of hype surrounding Ashley when she came in. She's had to build her way up to where she is now and I think that's why I respect her so much. She's worked for it and earned it.

    I'm proud of her. :)
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    I wasn't in the arena, no. I've only watched the skating on tv or by youtube.
    Anyway, I'm no technik at all and maybe I notice it more because Ashley is lefty and I'm not used to see it. But just comparing the program with Rochette's I notice much more changes of direction in her program: the spiral sequence, to the entrance of the second lutz and the second salchow. The only change of direction I notice in Ashley's program is the entrance of the first loop (with an amazing spread eagle:swoon: has to be said) and very briefly.
    Again, I am not trying to dimish Ashley's skates, as in fact I think her interpretation is much more punctuated and energetic than Joannie's. I just noticed that and I hope they correct it in the future, because for me she's skating almost the same pattern all of the time
  40. judgejudy27

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    I must admit a year or two ago I thought Wagner was destined to a career of being Mrs. 3rd and 4th place which is what she had been ever since winning the bronze at the 2007 World Juniors, and constantly in the shadows of Zhang, Czisny, Nagasu, and Flatt. I am glad she has broken out of that finally.