Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Apr 19, 2012.
I would've had Drobiazko & Vanagas in 2nd for sure.
Ooops, sorry! Should have watched the video before posting.
Bezic's comments start to bother me, as I've notice some annoying one on another occasion as well.
A few more thoughts about Torvill and Dean:
Here is their historic and masterful OSP from 1982 "Summertime" , complete.
This was the slowest tempo then allowed; and the music was thought "impossible" to dance to at the time.
With the wonderful explanatory comments of Alan Weeks.
Torvill & Dean 1982 - OSP
I doubt that anything as extraordinary as this will be seen again.
One of the great challenges imposed by the rules of the day is that dancers were only supposed to separate for very brief changes of position.
In the British broadcast of "Bolero" from 1984 Europeans, shot from behind, you can clearly see the way that Jayne and Chris were interweaving, intertwined; and touching, throughout.
A fabulous concept with great choreography, of course.
However, it took incredible technique and skill, from two masters of the art, to bring it off.
It's still stunning; no matter how many times I've watched it.
Well, I think as for N/K you can partly blame COP, as I saw them quite often in exhibitions and they were terrific there. They really had energy and personality on the ice.
I think N/K were among those couples being in the most difficult situation that they had to switch from the 6.0 to the COP system in a very short time, though they had skated for most of their career under the 6.0 system. Basically I felt that most of the couples being in the same boat looked quite laboured these times. There were very few outstanding skates of the old generation couples, e.g. some of Denkova / Staviskij, but I can't remember many.
Regarding Dominina/Shabalin I think their progress was pretty much hampered by his injury. They really looked very promising when they came on the scene with winning JW in 2003. But they seemed to decline somehow later on. Its just sad if skaters cant realize their potential due to injury.
Sad, but true.
Have to add that their FD in 2000 is one of my all-time favourites (still today holding my breath when watching it):
Certainly a "good old days" couple, as they first competed at Euros and Worlds in 1992.
It is! Bravo!! one again to them.
After read all thread i can only add to this list/
Denkova-Staviisky 2003 OD
Lang & Tchernyshev blues FD in 2002 (Zhulin know, how blues must look like)
Chait Sakhnovsky 2001 FD (i know, she was not a good skater, but i like this FD)
And from old times i like this
One of my favorite FDs ,Moiseeva/Minenkov Concerto de Aranguez.I think it was so ahead of its time.
i was wondering when you would have joined the thread
re: Torvill&Dean "revolution", from what i understood looking at pollyanna's links, in the '70s ice dance was based on ballroom, like in the Linichuck video; and then, Dean brought mimicry and characterization (Barnum program), which expanded the range of themes in ice dance. Later, Torvill&Dean produced more abstract routines (Bolero), and so we could see "Aria" and "Four seasons", for example. is that right?
so ahead of its time indeed! very interesting. even though i'm not expert, i think this looks like modern ice dance already, with the plus of the elegant unison that made Russian pairs/dance great.
p.s. I feel that US commentators are often ironic about "drama" when it comes to Russia. in this video, the guy said it was over-dramatic (Ganon said it about Krylova many years later) but i actually think it's unfair.
Speaking of Denkova/Staviyski, 2004 FD, my favourite program from them even though the video is bad quality:
I watched the last two groups of the 09' World's OD last night & a few things came to mind.
V/M made three errors (Scott on the twizzles, their spin & a trip on the step sequence).
D/W made two errors (Charlie on the twizzles & on the step sequence).
I forgot about that.
K/N made an error on their twizzles.
K/K made an error on their twizzles.
Looking at the event over the three stages, P/B & B/A were the only one's who went clean.
Dom/Sha were clean but very slow.
B/A were the best in the OD & FD but I wish they had gone for a more crowd pleasing program. I think that would have pushed them to the Gold.
i literally had to remember to breathe watching this
What is "evil fate"? Is Usova portraiting the devil?
How they worked within the rules.
In their own words, with a demonstration:
Another gorgeous performance of "Bolero" follows.
There was a slight controversy at the time becuase someone (I think Grishuk) suggested that Linichuk stole most of the moves from a modern dance production of Carmen. It turned out to be true as I saw it with my own eyes on TV a few years later. The costuming, the angular moves, the motif of Carmen pulling colored sashes from men to symbolize her control over them etc. was all pulled directly from this production. It was actually pretty shocking to see how close it was. She did a great job of translating it to the ice, but I don't think she ever credited the source, but maybe I'm wrong.
Their Olympic FD was really weak, but for some reason I always loved their 78 FD which was very similar to their Olympic FD, but I thought worked much better, cheese and all. You can see how Linichuk presents herself here and how it would influence her future students.
You mean someone who could do a convincing Latin program and skate close to another partner in closed holds?
Drobiazko and Vanagas's FD was skated ENTIRELY in hand to hand position, and Margarita was being dragged by Povilas through that entire FD, bent free legs anywhere. The "footwork" sequences were a joke. Seriously, I dare anyone to watch that program and tell me I'm wrong. At least FP&M skated reasonably close together.
If anyone was robbed, it was Denkova and Staviksi. Watch them, and then watch D&V, and explain to me what is inferior about D&S.
The less said about every Olympic ice dance result post 1998 the better.
This is a great thread as I was just thinking the other day how I missed the good old days of Ice Dancing.
My favorite is Grishuk and Platov's 1997 OD Tango. I also enjoyed B&K, U&Z and of course, Torvill and Dean.
I loved all the videos of T&D and B & S. Thanks for posting. I wanted to add a few of my favorites from Wilson & McCall:
OSP 1988 Olympics
And the first time I saw them on TV when I became a fan:
FD 1984 Olympics
A cute number with personality a nifty Quickstep section and some interesting lifts along with their entertaining footwork:
FD 1986 Worlds
They were an excellent team. Their 1987 FD was also very nice. I would've had them 2nd in 1986, 1987 and 1988 behind Klimova & Ponomarenko. What they lacked was the ease in which they did everything like Marina & Sergei could do. But their choreography was always very ambitious.
I loved Wilson and McCall's FDs from both those Olympics. That Joplin FD was so quick and very difficult.
I found it be a major chore to watch Linichuk & Karponosov. She was an excellent skater (relative to him at least) and they skated with good speed and power but they had such a cookie-cutter style. Part of that was their lack of musicality relative to a team like Moiseeva & Minenkov although L&K were technically much stronger (that was very evident in the compulsories). I'm undecided on the results of the 1980 Olympics. I was fine with their 1978 and 1979 wins though.
You really like to look on the bright side of life don't you