The Third US Lady

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Who will be the third U.S. lady at the Olympics?

  1. Alissa Czisny

    21 vote(s)
    9.6%
  2. Rachael Flatt

    5 vote(s)
    2.3%
  3. Christina Gao

    104 vote(s)
    47.5%
  4. Courtney Hicks

    12 vote(s)
    5.5%
  5. Mirai Nagasu

    40 vote(s)
    18.3%
  6. Agnes Zawadzki

    29 vote(s)
    13.2%
  7. Caroline Zhang

    3 vote(s)
    1.4%
  8. Other (Please Specify)

    5 vote(s)
    2.3%
  1. Flip Jump

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    After seeing both Wagner and Gold in person last night I think Gold is the only one with a lock on an Olympic spot. Wagner needs to get a triple- triple.
     
  2. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

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    Gold can still mess up big time next year in both SP and LP. Many National Champions have succumbed to the pressures at the Olympic trial.
     
  3. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    She needs a triple-triple to stay ahead of the other Americans (apart from maybe Gold). Please. Almost none of the Americans have a solid triple-triple either and anyone who knocked Wagner and Gold off would have to do more than they do.
     
  4. neptune

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    Does anyone even bother to live in the present anymore? I mean, it's just one day after the completion of Worlds, and folks are already voting on who's going to be the 3rd U.S. woman at the Olympics. :lol:
     
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  5. Cheylana

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    I was thinking the same thing. If she manages to land a couple of jumps, she'll be on the team no matter what.

    I think USFS order of preference is something like this:
    Czisny
    Zawadski
    [Insert 15-20 upstart teens]
    Kwan
    Cohen
    Kerrigan
    Nagasu
    Gao
     
  6. Mayra

    Mayra Well-Known Member

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    If not the present, at least consider the past. ;)

    Thinking about 2009 as I remember it...

    Flatt was coming off a 5th place finish at Worlds and was considered a lock for that 2010 Olympic team. Alissa had done her usual at Worlds and Zhang was being wuzrobbed for one of the Worlds spots. She had placed 3rd at Nationals, 4th at 4CC's and 3rd at the WTT. For sure she was going to be a contender. Nagasu was going through growing pains and being her usual wonderful/frustrating self.

    Fast forward to January and it was Wagner going in as a favorite alongside Flatt for the Olympic team having qualified for the GPF. A few days later, it was Nagasu and Flatt who came out on top. Zhang ending up in 11th place overall.

    Which just goes to show how things can change...
     
  7. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I would wait to see how the skaters look at the GP series before I can even begin making my prediction. There are valid arguments to be made for a slew of ladies. Heck, I don't even think Wagner and Gold are safe. If they skate as they had this season, then I think they are, but a lot of things can happen and we'll see who the international judges appreciate the most.
     
  8. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Maybe it's because before she crashed and burned at Worlds 2012 (in a remarkable fashion), Czisny has had the highest international scores of all the American ladies since Vancouver apart from Wagner and Gold, the latter very recently at Worlds. People like to bash Czisny for her jumping deficiencies and inconsistency, but you can't deny she had been scoring very well before Worlds 2012. If she recovers from her undiagnosed injury where she skates at the same level she did in the 2010-2011 season and the rest of the American ladies continue to be lackluster internationally (apart from Wagner and Gold), then I don't see why she shouldn't be in consideration with the rest of the pack.

    Of course, I am not blind to the fact that many of the other ladies may have higher potential due to being younger and maybe better ability to land 3/3s. Heck, I'm sure most of them have better jump technique as well, but for some reason, the Czisny scored pretty high despite having lesser quality jumps.
     
  9. aftershocks

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    Yes, anything can happen and usually does. Re those listed, I'm rooting for Christina Gao, although most certainly Hicks and Zawadski are in the running, as would be a healthy Alissa. All three ladies who make the Olympic team will have to earn their spots. Kudos to Ashley and Gracie for surviving the pressure cooker in style and bringing back a third spot for U.S. ladies.
     
  10. olympic

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    At this point (way way early), it's Gao.

    But, Zawadzki always seems to finish 3rd at Nationals and since the 3rd spot takes the pressure off, the USFSA's love for Zawadzki has even less of a reason now to diminish.

    I wonder if Nagasu will ever get it together and she'd be considered by judges at Nationals.

    Interestingly, and contrary to some posters, I think Czisny is very much in the mix. What I saw of her pre-nationals Milwaukee LP before the injurious fall showed a skater with a lot of attack and determination. This will also be undoubtedly her last season coming up.
     
  11. TheIronLady

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    The anxieties of our times. I am already nervous about the USA losing that third spot, and I want to plot who can get that spot back in 2015.
     
  12. Sasha'sSpins

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    Nagasu.
     
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  13. lauren329

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    Don't think like that yet! I think our top girls may go to Worlds and do quite well if Yuna, Mao etc. opt out.
     
  14. Skittl1321

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    There is NO WAY Kwan is that low on the list. I think USFS would put her just above Czisny! Poor Nagasu and Gao.
     
  15. TheIronLady

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    Emily Hughes, Caroline Zhang, and Bebe Liang are probably coming back now.
     
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    what about Katy Taylor and Yebin Mok?
     
  17. Skittl1321

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    Did Zhang retire?
     
  18. AndyWarhol

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    I can't see Mao not being there to collect her crown.
     
  19. TheIronLady

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    Katy Taylor has no flexibility and can't do anything that would earn any points.
     
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    If Mirai Nagasu skating to concentrate on if she is going to be representative of the third.
     
  21. judgejudy27

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    I am fairly surprised Nagasu has as many votes as she does. I like her but I dont think the USFSA is on her side anymore. Zawadzki who has less votes is much more likely to make it. I even fear she might be more likely to make it than Gao. The last 2 Nationals she skated like garbage in the LP and still was placed 3rd. Next year 3rd place means the Olympics.
     
  22. Jarrett

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    I still have some faith in Mirai but along with skating lights out at Nationals she will have to be very impressive in the GP series and possibly make the GPF. I think will know if the USFSA is even open to sending her to the Olympics if she gets two assignments on the GP.
     
  23. Jarrett

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    The Olympic season is different and a shake up could happen. Ashley has not really been consistent the entire season. If Nick does retire I could see her just fading away. IMO Gold is the top American skater for next season.
     
  24. judgejudy27

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    Wow I just noticed Czisny with the same amount of votes as Zawadzki. That surprises me even more than all the votes for Nagasu. I think some are voting with their hearts more than their head, but that is ok, lol! Wow and 4 votes for Rachael Flatt as well, oh my!
     
  25. judgejudy27

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    I think which is the top American next year is a toss up and could go either way. For the moment they are really 1A and 1B. Both will be fighting hard to win Nationals so they get to do the Team Event at the Olympics which is the best chance for either to medal, not the invididual ladies event. I wonder if it is strictly Nationals or there are other factors that decide who gets to compete in that.
     
  26. Sylvia

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    Why? Based on U.S. ladies' discussions here, it's obvious that Nagasu has many fans and supporters on FSU, and these polls are mainly fan popularity contests, aren't they?
     
  27. euterpe

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    Emily skated at a benefit event this season and didn't try a single jump. She already had her Olympic opportunity.

    Flatt still suffers from tendonitis and back pain. She has said if she could skate without pain, she would, but if not, school is fine for her.

    Czisny hasn't said anything about returning as yet. She'll be 26 in May and is recovering from a second hip surgery. She may have to scale back some of her hyperextended spin positions to avoid placing strain on that hip. Those spins were her key to high PCS scores. Without them, she would be a slow, cautious skater with mediocre jump content.
     
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  28. dawnie

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    If Gold holds it together in the SP and not completely bomb in the FS at Nationals, then she can pretty much pack her bags for Sochi.

    Wagner however, is in an interesting position now. This is 2 competitions in a row where Gold beat her in the FS and even though Wagner placed higher both times, I believe they are equal now when it comes to clout. The thing with Wagner is- will she continue to play it safe just to make the team? Making the team is one thing but will she be satisfied with just that or does she really want to challenge for the Olympic podium? Everyone knows she needs a 3-3 and 2axel-3toe to have a shot at that.

    I think the final spot is gonna come down to Gao, Nagasu, and Zawadzki. I am rooting for Gao personally. Nagasu had her shot and I just can't see Zawadzki making it.

    Forget about Zhang, Czisny, and Flatt.
     
  29. Andofanatic

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    Czisny would have no hope without her great spins, even if she landed all her jumps.
     
  30. Andofanatic

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    If Gao skates like she did at Nationals the last 4 years they will have to reward her this time. The others are too unstable. If Zawadzki skates better than she did the last 2 years, not totally clean just better, they will give it to her though. So it depends on Agnes, and if she doesnt get her act together a bit more, it will be Gao for sure.