The Third US Lady

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Who will be the third U.S. lady at the Olympics?

  1. Alissa Czisny

    21 vote(s)
    9.6%
  2. Rachael Flatt

    5 vote(s)
    2.3%
  3. Christina Gao

    104 vote(s)
    47.5%
  4. Courtney Hicks

    12 vote(s)
    5.5%
  5. Mirai Nagasu

    40 vote(s)
    18.3%
  6. Agnes Zawadzki

    29 vote(s)
    13.2%
  7. Caroline Zhang

    3 vote(s)
    1.4%
  8. Other (Please Specify)

    5 vote(s)
    2.3%
  1. lilshorty

    lilshorty New Member

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    With Ashley Wagner and Gracie Gold getting back three spots for the U.S. and consistently improving and moving up the world rankings I think it's safe to say that if they continue their trajectory upward they will be going to the Olympics next year. The big question mark, however, is who will be joining them? I know it's too early to tell who will make the Olympic team period, and there is no guarantee that Ashley and Gracie will be on the team, but I thought it would be fun to just speculate on who we think is going to be the third U.S. lady at the Olympics if they are both named to the Olympic team.

    My pick is Christina Gao. Not only does she have great aesthetic qualities, but she is a complete package of technical ability and artistry. She had great results during the Grand Prix this season which included making the Grand Prix Final, and the international judges seem to be warming up to her. The judges would be idiots to hold her back at Nationals again for other skaters who have failed to deliver the goods. I hope she has a great season next year and goes out there and kicks butt.

    Your thoughts?
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  2. merrywidow

    merrywidow Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you, lilshorty, unless an unseen injury occurs or she chooses to quit, I see her as the strongest & steadiest of the remaining girls.
  3. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I pick Christina Gao. It will be one of Gao or Zawadzki though, with an outside shot for Hicks. It wont be Nagasu, Czisny, Zhang or Flatt (ROTFL at Flatt making it) I dont think. Wang, Miller, Siraj, and Cesario should be on the poll instead of Flatt.

    BTW yes it is a guarantee barring a massive injury that Gold and Wagner will be on the team. Even a poor skate at Nationals (which I hope doesnt happen) wont prevent it.
  4. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    If Gracie and Ashley both make the team next year i would love to see someone new like Angela Wang get that 3rd spot. I know it's a long shot but she has real potential. It would be a nice balance of youth and a veteran on the team. Right now though it seems Gao is the favorite then after that Hicks, Nagasu and Agnes.
  5. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I would actually give more chance to someone like Wang springing a surprie and making the team than Nagasu or Czisny making it at this point. I think one of the spent forces who peaked around 2010-2011 will have to skate a blinder for the judges to even consider putting them on the team. Wang is good enough potentially to make it, but like alot of them she struggles with consistency.
  6. lauren329

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    Agreed- I think Wang or Miller should be in the conversation. I find them to have way more potential than some of the seniors that have been around longer. Miller performed to her music better than anyone at nationals, in my opinion. She had that Lipinski star quality.

    I did find Gao impressive (artistic and decently consistent) and she's becoming a sentimental fave with all the 5th places.

    I'm kind of over Agnes- she's had so many chances and not delivered on stages way smaller than the Olympics. Unless she can put down a clean long next year at Nationals and her GP, just no.

    Hicks- out of the top 10 at Nationals, she was by far the least pleasant to watch. Then her big jumps (which are her ticket) failied her at Junior Worlds. It pains me to think of watching her at the Olympics over Gao, Miller, Wang, Nagasu.

    Nagasu- USFSA seemed to send a harsh message that they were done with her and she no longer has the Frank factor. She will have to have the skate of her life at nationals and give them no reason whatsoever to question her jumps.

    Czisny- I don't think she's coming back but maybe three spots changes that. We'll see.

    Flatt-No comment. I wish her well at Stanford and am genuinely glad she seems so happy there.

    My dream team- Ashley, Gracie, Hannah
    My more realistic team which would also be great- Ashley, Gracie, Christina
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    Mrs. Pell :)
  8. lauren329

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    This! We have 3 spots, why not? Why not?
  9. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

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    But will she be able to do any 3-3 while with child :)
  10. bardtoob

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    I do think Wagner and Gold have the best shot at a medal and best finishes at this point, but if she was 3rdish at Nationals, it would be dumb to not send the 4th place finisher from the last Olympics, particularly since the judges like her look on the ice and will score her well if she performs well, despite her inconsistencies.
  11. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    Flatt is still on the list ? :confused:
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  12. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    No idea.
    Between Gao, Nagasu and Czisny ?
  13. lauren329

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    If she ends up our number 3, I vote we give the spot to Russia.
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  14. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    An auction?

    I voted Gao although I prefer Zawadski. I think she is just too unreliable. Gao is taking a year off from Harvard, right? That would be good as she has tons of work to do.
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  15. TheIronLady

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    I was worried I was alone. I think Hicks could not challenge Mae Berenice in components.
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  16. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    I'd say the chances are:

    Gao
    Zawadzki

    Wang, Miller, Nagasu
    Czisny, Cesario, Edmunds


    Hicks, Zhang
  17. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with those except I think you have Hicks way too low. The USFSA obviously likes her based on her very generous (IMO) scores from Nationals this year. I actually think she has more shot than Nagasu, and probably more than Wang and Miller. She has about 15 times more shot than Zhang (as close to nothing as can be) does.
  18. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    and didn't Flatt retired ?
    other than maybe her name was put in for a joke
  19. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Flatt hasnt officialy retired but concedes she might not compete again. Basically her last comments were a leave it open kind of thing. I think OP included her as a joke, and it is kind of funny.
  20. Jammers

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    If Hicks could poilsh her skating she would be a threat to make the team because she has big jumps and skates with attitude.
  21. lilshorty

    lilshorty New Member

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    Flatt hasn't formally retired yet, so I placed her on the poll in case she decides to make a comeback. I realize her chances of making the Olympic team are a longshot, but stranger things have happened.
  22. chipso1

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    Gao is the most consistent, but Zawadzki has been getting big marks at Nationals the past two seasons. I think if she skates similar to how she did this year, she's on the team.

    Hicks could spoil the party, though. Her jumps are huge, and I can see her having an Emily Hughes moment and squeaking her way on to the team.

    Sentimentally, I hope it's Nagasu. :( She's had a rough few years, and it would be amazing to see her back in the mix.
  23. Flying Camel

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    I hope it's GAO. I have a soft spot for her. I think she is a beautiful skater. After all those 5th places, it's time for her to step up on the podium. She got tons of experience this year, which will bold well for the all important Olympic year.

    I hope it's not Agnes. I don't like her skating, and I don't really want to watch her at the olympics. I would rather watch Czisny fall 5 times.

    I don't think the us judges will send someone with no experience unless the experienced girls skate really bad.

    I like Wang and Miller but I think the judges will hold them down for the next Olympic cycle.

    Nagasu, Zhang, I can't see it happening for them unless they make major changes with the jumps in the off season.

    I actually do think the judges would take a chance on Czisny. She is the American version of kostner. I think if Czisny can skate injury free she will be at nationals.
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  24. CoralReef

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    I'm not even sure USA 1 and 2 are a lock, so can't even take a guess at #3.
  25. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member

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    I am thinking Gao, Hicks or Wang.
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Yes, starting this semester.
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    Careful what you wish for!
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    I agree they are not a lock, however, having 'earned back' the spot- and the first pair to do it after many years of trying, I expect them to be held up if they have even remotely good GP seasons and okay nationals. Hopefully they'll have a good nationals and earn it fair though.

    I'd love to see Mirai at the Olympics with the fire she had last time.

    (And for them to give out a pewter medal at the Olympics since the Gold medal is clearly taken- in dance they might need to hand out pewter and tungsten since the first two medals are gone.)
  29. victoriaheidi

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    I would be happy if it were Mirai or Christina. :)
  30. fenway2

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    I have a hunch that if Alissa returns, she will enter nationals with no pressure and skate a clean short. Then the US judges will overmark her again so that no matters what happens in the long, she gets the 3rd spot as a lovely retirement gift. I don't think USFS will ever be done with her. For some reason, they love her.
  31. Flip Jump

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    After seeing both Wagner and Gold in person last night I think Gold is the only one with a lock on an Olympic spot. Wagner needs to get a triple- triple.
  32. orbitz

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    Gold can still mess up big time next year in both SP and LP. Many National Champions have succumbed to the pressures at the Olympic trial.
  33. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    She needs a triple-triple to stay ahead of the other Americans (apart from maybe Gold). Please. Almost none of the Americans have a solid triple-triple either and anyone who knocked Wagner and Gold off would have to do more than they do.
  34. neptune

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    Does anyone even bother to live in the present anymore? I mean, it's just one day after the completion of Worlds, and folks are already voting on who's going to be the 3rd U.S. woman at the Olympics. :lol:
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  35. Cheylana

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    I was thinking the same thing. If she manages to land a couple of jumps, she'll be on the team no matter what.

    I think USFS order of preference is something like this:
    Czisny
    Zawadski
    [Insert 15-20 upstart teens]
    Kwan
    Cohen
    Kerrigan
    Nagasu
    Gao
  36. Mayra

    Mayra Well-Known Member

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    If not the present, at least consider the past. ;)

    Thinking about 2009 as I remember it...

    Flatt was coming off a 5th place finish at Worlds and was considered a lock for that 2010 Olympic team. Alissa had done her usual at Worlds and Zhang was being wuzrobbed for one of the Worlds spots. She had placed 3rd at Nationals, 4th at 4CC's and 3rd at the WTT. For sure she was going to be a contender. Nagasu was going through growing pains and being her usual wonderful/frustrating self.

    Fast forward to January and it was Wagner going in as a favorite alongside Flatt for the Olympic team having qualified for the GPF. A few days later, it was Nagasu and Flatt who came out on top. Zhang ending up in 11th place overall.

    Which just goes to show how things can change...
  37. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I would wait to see how the skaters look at the GP series before I can even begin making my prediction. There are valid arguments to be made for a slew of ladies. Heck, I don't even think Wagner and Gold are safe. If they skate as they had this season, then I think they are, but a lot of things can happen and we'll see who the international judges appreciate the most.
  38. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Maybe it's because before she crashed and burned at Worlds 2012 (in a remarkable fashion), Czisny has had the highest international scores of all the American ladies since Vancouver apart from Wagner and Gold, the latter very recently at Worlds. People like to bash Czisny for her jumping deficiencies and inconsistency, but you can't deny she had been scoring very well before Worlds 2012. If she recovers from her undiagnosed injury where she skates at the same level she did in the 2010-2011 season and the rest of the American ladies continue to be lackluster internationally (apart from Wagner and Gold), then I don't see why she shouldn't be in consideration with the rest of the pack.

    Of course, I am not blind to the fact that many of the other ladies may have higher potential due to being younger and maybe better ability to land 3/3s. Heck, I'm sure most of them have better jump technique as well, but for some reason, the Czisny scored pretty high despite having lesser quality jumps.
  39. aftershocks

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    Yes, anything can happen and usually does. Re those listed, I'm rooting for Christina Gao, although most certainly Hicks and Zawadski are in the running, as would be a healthy Alissa. All three ladies who make the Olympic team will have to earn their spots. Kudos to Ashley and Gracie for surviving the pressure cooker in style and bringing back a third spot for U.S. ladies.
  40. olympic

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    At this point (way way early), it's Gao.

    But, Zawadzki always seems to finish 3rd at Nationals and since the 3rd spot takes the pressure off, the USFSA's love for Zawadzki has even less of a reason now to diminish.

    I wonder if Nagasu will ever get it together and she'd be considered by judges at Nationals.

    Interestingly, and contrary to some posters, I think Czisny is very much in the mix. What I saw of her pre-nationals Milwaukee LP before the injurious fall showed a skater with a lot of attack and determination. This will also be undoubtedly her last season coming up.